GOLDBERG71
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LN 8 this one is going again
MR. NICE STRAINS AND SEEDS
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I took pictures today @ day 35 of flower of all 14 I'm rerunning at the moment. When I get some time I'll upload those as well.
TheChemist77
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i understand liking to pick your own phenios, but most seeds bought are phenio hunt seeds. i would like to see more stabilized hybrids being sold, lots of people now buying fem seeds think ill buy 1 or 2 and be good, thats so wrong both will be completely different plants. if it was a stabilized strain, you could get away with buying less seeds because each one will be relitivly uniform. anyways my point is if you want to buy less seeds stabilized plants should be the choice, now if you have the money and plan to buy packs of 10 than F1's are all good so you can select a sertain plant. but single feminized seeds are a waste unless its a stable line of seeds.
GOLDBERG71
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I'm no chemist and I'm not the smartest guy but I'm not dumb by any means and I have plenty of common sense.
I completely understand that much (but not all) of the MNS library are not inline bred. Some receptions are the G13 lines for example. Most of their strains are crosses and as far as "working" a line this is the first step. When they are breeding their seeds they are combining 2 or more strains. Im not great with the terms but I believe these seeds are F1s. So there will be a wide variety of phenos. Some will look more like one of the parents while others will look more like the other parent and all the remaining seeds can be anywhere in between. This is also why even though you're popping seeds from the same pack there can be weeks between when the first and last plant finishes.
That is why I chose to start over. When I started I had no long term plans. At the time I knew I had a green thumb but I knew very little about sativa leaning plants. Everything I ever came into contact with leaned indica. With a few years under my belt it's the sativas that have my interest now. So when I was originally doing my selecting I didn't give a plant with foxtailing buds much of a chance. They frustrated me because they weren't as easy to clean and had much less bag appeal. As time went on and I found a few sativa phenos that put off denser buds. (Probably because my knowledge increased and I started to care for them differently than I did the other phenos.) This is when I started thinking about all the plants I culled that could have had potential I wasn't aware. So when I encountered spider mites I decided to scrap my library and start over.
As I stated above I've got a new plan of attack. I'm going to go back and go through the strains again. This time I'm not looking at anything other than pure quality and with a long term approach. My plan is to work towards 2 different "lines" for each strain. The first would be for commercial purposes for the patients. The second would be the "head" stash with pure quality in mind. Then over time I want to work each line.
That brings me back to where I started. It makes sense that if you self your keeper females you WILL end up with identical genetic seeds from that mom. The genetics might be identical but very few of those seeds will produce a plant that is identical to the mom. It's been explained to me as genetic shifting but I can't wrap my head around that. I have only popped a few my selfed seeds but as far as variations go it seemed to be the same as any other seeds I've popped.
I've never gone further than S1. But I will be in a few months. I've got an original amnesia that everyone likes. I ran 7 S1s of this plant. Of those I found 1 that was a keeper. I actually like everything about this plant a little better than the mom. So while I was starting over with SSH & La Niña I used one tent to make seeds with the few strains I decided to keep. So I took the S1 keeper and sprayed it to pollinated the others. So now I've got the S1 back crossed to the original amnesia as well as crossed with itself. In a few weeks I'm going to crack 10-15 of each of these to see for myself which is the best way forward. The reason I started with this strain is because it came from dinafem and should be more "stable" to begin with. I'm hoping the things I learn from this test can be used later. Because what I hope to do from now on is stabilize any strain that appeals to me. By doing this I'll identify the traits I want. And if I use the same criteria for each strain maybe crosses in the future will have less phenos. I know this isn't going to happen over night but having a long term goal isn't a bad thing.
I completely understand that much (but not all) of the MNS library are not inline bred. Some receptions are the G13 lines for example. Most of their strains are crosses and as far as "working" a line this is the first step. When they are breeding their seeds they are combining 2 or more strains. Im not great with the terms but I believe these seeds are F1s. So there will be a wide variety of phenos. Some will look more like one of the parents while others will look more like the other parent and all the remaining seeds can be anywhere in between. This is also why even though you're popping seeds from the same pack there can be weeks between when the first and last plant finishes.
That is why I chose to start over. When I started I had no long term plans. At the time I knew I had a green thumb but I knew very little about sativa leaning plants. Everything I ever came into contact with leaned indica. With a few years under my belt it's the sativas that have my interest now. So when I was originally doing my selecting I didn't give a plant with foxtailing buds much of a chance. They frustrated me because they weren't as easy to clean and had much less bag appeal. As time went on and I found a few sativa phenos that put off denser buds. (Probably because my knowledge increased and I started to care for them differently than I did the other phenos.) This is when I started thinking about all the plants I culled that could have had potential I wasn't aware. So when I encountered spider mites I decided to scrap my library and start over.
As I stated above I've got a new plan of attack. I'm going to go back and go through the strains again. This time I'm not looking at anything other than pure quality and with a long term approach. My plan is to work towards 2 different "lines" for each strain. The first would be for commercial purposes for the patients. The second would be the "head" stash with pure quality in mind. Then over time I want to work each line.
That brings me back to where I started. It makes sense that if you self your keeper females you WILL end up with identical genetic seeds from that mom. The genetics might be identical but very few of those seeds will produce a plant that is identical to the mom. It's been explained to me as genetic shifting but I can't wrap my head around that. I have only popped a few my selfed seeds but as far as variations go it seemed to be the same as any other seeds I've popped.
I've never gone further than S1. But I will be in a few months. I've got an original amnesia that everyone likes. I ran 7 S1s of this plant. Of those I found 1 that was a keeper. I actually like everything about this plant a little better than the mom. So while I was starting over with SSH & La Niña I used one tent to make seeds with the few strains I decided to keep. So I took the S1 keeper and sprayed it to pollinated the others. So now I've got the S1 back crossed to the original amnesia as well as crossed with itself. In a few weeks I'm going to crack 10-15 of each of these to see for myself which is the best way forward. The reason I started with this strain is because it came from dinafem and should be more "stable" to begin with. I'm hoping the things I learn from this test can be used later. Because what I hope to do from now on is stabilize any strain that appeals to me. By doing this I'll identify the traits I want. And if I use the same criteria for each strain maybe crosses in the future will have less phenos. I know this isn't going to happen over night but having a long term goal isn't a bad thing.
GOLDBERG71
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You know you might just be asking for the impossible. S1s are genetically identical and there's still a great deal of variation among them.
My suggestion for you might be to look into sannies seeds. I've never tried them myself but I've seen good reviews of his work. Their jack herer is supposed to be the best and he's been working that line for generations. If there was uniformity to be found a place like that is where you need to be looking IMO.
bluntmassa1
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Shit even Skunk #1 and all require pheno hunting.
Sure it is possible to get a plant to breed true but we can't grow the numbers needed the legal breeding industry they select from thousands of seeds each generation and plants like blueberry's, strawberry's etc. are clone only if you want to retain the same quality and taste. So their is a chance you will never see actual true breeding cannabis especially Sativa dominant. I do want to believe it's more like tomatoes but nobody can run the selection needed and they decades to produce the tomato variety's we have today not to mention the lifetimes that went into it originally when they where still in the middle east. If you see a natural tomato plant you will know a lot of fucking work went into it.
TheChemist77
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i spend time back crossing every F1 seed i buy, packs of ten,, wish i had room to do more, but out every ten i find best male n female and cross. keeping the pollen viable long enough to back cross 3 times or somtimes 4 times is the biggest challenge. however after i back it 3 to 4 times usually the seeds are very close to stabilized, then i dont need to plant lots of seeds, i know how each seed will turn out and i have lots of them labled in the fridge for whatever. i can use them for creating my own F1's or S1's but of course the big thing is that what i end up with is of great quality..i have had good luck with quite a few bought stabilized seeds such as TH SEEDS BUBBLE GUM, SERIOUS SEEDS bubble gum, seedsmans original skunk1, original afghan,and top 44, i have probably 20 different strains that i bought that wer stabilized and most of them are all i could hope for,, uniform.. mr. nice claims the shit it true breed,, but its far from uniform, i would hope if a strain is called a true breed or a stable strain it should be..i just wish more strains available wer bx3's so that we get the genetics we paid for in each seed not have to buy and plant 50 in hopes of ONE resembling the write up and picture.. grow well and be well to all.. also good luck with your breeding, it becomes an addiction, i love creating new strains i can call my own.. S1's and stabilizing are easy, and fun,,but take time..anybody can cross 2 stabil strains and creat an F1, it the work put in to stabilize that strain that is what i consider breeding..
bluntmassa1
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I don't believe Shantibaba says they breed true as he talks a lot about selection never has he claimed IBL either except for G13 Haze and the Mango Haze inbred he clearly states is a F2 made from a lot of plants I almost think it might have been 1,000.
You do hear of a lot of bad about back crossing like Sweet Tooth #3 which is probably why we don't see many. But you want more worked shit Sannies looks good and Tom Hill, DJ Short is all F5 but not the strong fast big herm resistant F1's we are used to. So it's all subjective really some want true breeding but it's not popular and I like the fact MNS has old school genetics that are not bottlenecked like crazy it's easier to breed a trait out then breed it back in like Roadkill Skunk often imitated never duplicated.
Just so many different breeders out there you can find what you're looking for Shantibaba don't claim true breeding that I have seen he talks too much about F1 seeds other than CBD Crew which is just that they breed true for high THC.
FranJan
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I thought there was A MNS thread around here. 
So after screwing around with a couple of different company's offerings, including MNS's, I've finally committed to a proper MNS strain/pheno hunt for the foreseeable future. I'm going to be growing out, Dreamtime, Devil (Yes, indoors), SSH, Shit (maybe), ASH, Critical Mass (Round 2), and Medicine Man. Have already popped all 18 Dreamtime seeds, (6 at a time), over the last few weeks. 14 sprouted and I have already sexed some and have yet to pull a male (7 ladies so far). I started the Dreamtime because of the selection technique I plan on executing, (without going into detail it's based on working in a limited space), and want to see if it is workable without wasting a pack of $$H .
Actually I shouldn't make jokes about MNS's prices since I got CM, Dreamtime and Devil for less than 50 Euro and SSH for 66 Euro. Thank You Shanti and Co!
And since I'm on the subject of Dreamtime, am I getting a mix of strains that were used to create a lot of Shanti's gear or am I getting his commercial strains, or both. In other words am I going to get Shit or one of the the Skunk#1s that were used to breed Shit or can I get both? Never did get a straight answer at the MNS forum. I would love some mango IBL or their NL#5, not so much more ASH or Critical Mass. Not that I would sneeze at anything that's good but I don't need some Ortega deciding it's giving up the goat mid-flowering and shitting out a nanner.
So I guess I'll be poking around here, (hopefully), now and again for some advice, praise and/or scorn and to share anything interesting I find along the way, like this odd little whorled Devil. Three cotys! During germinating I had to give it a little hand with it's shell and it just POPPED off. Kinda scared me cause I thought I shredded it at first. Been growing great since but will it stay this way or will Nature "fix" it?
And here's my first lady from Dreamtime all topped, cloned and getting ready for transplanting and flowering. Total killer skunk smell when I took her out of the flowering area, not so much now.
One more plant???? Why not since I got the camera out and all. Here's my Black Widow I just put into flowering today. Great plant, great yielder. Haven't grown here in a while and I had a little Mag issue during vegging so hopefully she'll behave and I'll have some pix to share with you. Take care everyone!
So after screwing around with a couple of different company's offerings, including MNS's, I've finally committed to a proper MNS strain/pheno hunt for the foreseeable future. I'm going to be growing out, Dreamtime, Devil (Yes, indoors), SSH, Shit (maybe), ASH, Critical Mass (Round 2), and Medicine Man. Have already popped all 18 Dreamtime seeds, (6 at a time), over the last few weeks. 14 sprouted and I have already sexed some and have yet to pull a male (7 ladies so far
). I started the Dreamtime because of the selection technique I plan on executing, (without going into detail it's based on working in a limited space), and want to see if it is workable without wasting a pack of $$H . Actually I shouldn't make jokes about MNS's prices since I got CM, Dreamtime and Devil for less than 50 Euro and SSH for 66 Euro. Thank You Shanti and Co!
And since I'm on the subject of Dreamtime, am I getting a mix of strains that were used to create a lot of Shanti's gear or am I getting his commercial strains, or both. In other words am I going to get Shit or one of the the Skunk#1s that were used to breed Shit or can I get both? Never did get a straight answer at the MNS forum. I would love some mango IBL or their NL#5, not so much more ASH or Critical Mass. Not that I would sneeze at anything that's good but I don't need some Ortega deciding it's giving up the goat mid-flowering and shitting out a nanner.
So I guess I'll be poking around here, (hopefully), now and again for some advice, praise and/or scorn and to share anything interesting I find along the way, like this odd little whorled Devil. Three cotys! During germinating I had to give it a little hand with it's shell and it just POPPED off. Kinda scared me cause I thought I shredded it at first. Been growing great since but will it stay this way or will Nature "fix" it?
And here's my first lady from Dreamtime all topped, cloned and getting ready for transplanting and flowering. Total killer skunk smell when I took her out of the flowering area, not so much now.
One more plant???? Why not since I got the camera out and all. Here's my Black Widow I just put into flowering today. Great plant, great yielder. Haven't grown here in a while and I had a little Mag issue during vegging so hopefully she'll behave and I'll have some pix to share with you. Take care everyone!
GOLDBERG71
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Welcome franjan
I have a pack of dream time that was a freebie for some reason. It was so insignificant I can't even recall why it was added to my order. I just said thank you and put them in storage with the rest of my seed collection. Truthfully it will probably be the last thing I try because I don't know what to expect from it. If my memory is correct it's a mix of about five thing and there's no info about lineage. Most strains you can find info about percentages ect. Like SSH 25% skunk 25% nl and 50% haze. I really don't want to pop a six foot sativa and have a 3 foot snunk plant or something next to it. Never mind if they all have different desires for food! Ect. Although there is some interesting things in there.
I'm searching for a SSH star right now. I've only popped 25 beans from the 1gram lot I bought. I'm waiting for them to cure now. Of the 12 females there were a few standouts that most people would be happy with. But I'm reaching for the stars for my own personal cut.
I've also got a 1 gram lot of shit. I've run them before and I think it's worth finding a quality specimen of. I'm not rushing to work with it though. Because I have a cut from the first pack. I could be wrong because I only ran one pack but the sativa phenos were a pain in the ass to clean. Although I'm hoping to find one that impresses when I do. But in my pack it was the few indica leaning phenos that stood out.
Critical mass didn't impress me. The flowers were large but everything else about it I found to be average. Didn't even think about buying another pack.
Medicine man I did it early before I learned to appreciate a sativa. So I never sampled any of them. It all went to the patients. Here again I only saved the indica leaning phenos. Those I tried and liked but kept toking the SSH. I also over crowded my area when I ran them. So with the experience I've gained since then I think it's well worth doing again in the future.
I have 2 packs of devil but everything I've read is telling me not to use them inside. So I'm going to have a friend plant some of them outside this season. When the time comes I'm going to pollinate them with my favorite 3-4 females and see if I can't put a little red in them? I'm going to keep cuttings so I can self the ones that produce the nicest colors as well for the following season outside.
For whatever reason I didn't find ash interesting. I've bought more than half the strains and never thought about ordering it. Keep us posted.
Can I ask why you didn't fill those tiny cups with soil? Seedlings need room for the tap root to grow downward. Leaving them in that shallow ground at the start could stunt their growth. I'm always an eager beaver to get my seedling out of the starter flats and into a solo cup as soon as possible. So when they do get transplanted you won't get the rapid growth spurt. Instead it will be getting over the fact the tap root couldn't take its natural course. With cuttings it's not as important because you should have 2 or more nodes below the soil. So the roots start out going sideways before the head south. Just my opinion but it's food for thought.
I have a pack of dream time that was a freebie for some reason. It was so insignificant I can't even recall why it was added to my order. I just said thank you and put them in storage with the rest of my seed collection. Truthfully it will probably be the last thing I try because I don't know what to expect from it. If my memory is correct it's a mix of about five thing and there's no info about lineage. Most strains you can find info about percentages ect. Like SSH 25% skunk 25% nl and 50% haze. I really don't want to pop a six foot sativa and have a 3 foot snunk plant or something next to it. Never mind if they all have different desires for food! Ect. Although there is some interesting things in there.
I'm searching for a SSH star right now. I've only popped 25 beans from the 1gram lot I bought. I'm waiting for them to cure now. Of the 12 females there were a few standouts that most people would be happy with. But I'm reaching for the stars for my own personal cut.
I've also got a 1 gram lot of shit. I've run them before and I think it's worth finding a quality specimen of. I'm not rushing to work with it though. Because I have a cut from the first pack. I could be wrong because I only ran one pack but the sativa phenos were a pain in the ass to clean. Although I'm hoping to find one that impresses when I do. But in my pack it was the few indica leaning phenos that stood out.
Critical mass didn't impress me. The flowers were large but everything else about it I found to be average. Didn't even think about buying another pack.
Medicine man I did it early before I learned to appreciate a sativa. So I never sampled any of them. It all went to the patients. Here again I only saved the indica leaning phenos. Those I tried and liked but kept toking the SSH. I also over crowded my area when I ran them. So with the experience I've gained since then I think it's well worth doing again in the future.
I have 2 packs of devil but everything I've read is telling me not to use them inside. So I'm going to have a friend plant some of them outside this season. When the time comes I'm going to pollinate them with my favorite 3-4 females and see if I can't put a little red in them? I'm going to keep cuttings so I can self the ones that produce the nicest colors as well for the following season outside.
For whatever reason I didn't find ash interesting. I've bought more than half the strains and never thought about ordering it. Keep us posted.
Can I ask why you didn't fill those tiny cups with soil? Seedlings need room for the tap root to grow downward. Leaving them in that shallow ground at the start could stunt their growth. I'm always an eager beaver to get my seedling out of the starter flats and into a solo cup as soon as possible. So when they do get transplanted you won't get the rapid growth spurt. Instead it will be getting over the fact the tap root couldn't take its natural course. With cuttings it's not as important because you should have 2 or more nodes below the soil. So the roots start out going sideways before the head south. Just my opinion but it's food for thought.
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THERE not a lot of lines that you plant 100 plants and get 99 plants just a like.it takes years to get what I call a stable line where there is almost all plants look the same and tast and high.ky...ps that is why good seeds are not cheep or there just givefted to people that will not give them away.the best seeds I ever sean or grew where give to me.then the last 5 gallen of them seed where hide do to a raid at a friends house and the man that hide them died of a heart attack and that line was lost for ever that was 20 years ago.
TheChemist77
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the g13 x skunk is one of the best plant ever..very indica, crystal covered,short,stocky, very impressive..
TheChemist77
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you aint kidding,, no skunk today smells like the old road kill..and ive run rks...mns nl5 x afghan is another killer phenio only planted 3 and all are great,, cant decide which to keep,,all r great
Shit
An absolute classic and original Skunk/Afghani that has won more awards than you have had hot dinners! It is a sure-bet for the first time cultivators of either interior ,exterior or glasshouse growers. The yield will be extremely substantial with expectations between 550-650 grams per square meter. The finishing time will be within 45 days once the flowering appears on the plant. Expect harvest in late September to early October in the northern hemisphere and in the southern hemisphere by the end of April. A proven true breed since the 80's. Bred by the original breeder and founder of the original seed bank.
sais proven true breed since the 80's... i knew it stated true breed!!!
you aint kidding,, no skunk today smells like the old road kill..and ive run rks...mns nl5 x afghan is another killer phenio only planted 3 and all are great,, cant decide which to keep,,all r great
Shit
An absolute classic and original Skunk/Afghani that has won more awards than you have had hot dinners! It is a sure-bet for the first time cultivators of either interior ,exterior or glasshouse growers. The yield will be extremely substantial with expectations between 550-650 grams per square meter. The finishing time will be within 45 days once the flowering appears on the plant. Expect harvest in late September to early October in the northern hemisphere and in the southern hemisphere by the end of April. A proven true breed since the 80's. Bred by the original breeder and founder of the original seed bank.
sais proven true breed since the 80's... i knew it stated true breed!!!
GOLDBERG71
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I'm not confirming but that does sound like the breeder notes of shit. BUT I also believe that SHIT is a heavy leaning indica pheno breed to a sativa pheno. So the genetics probably are closer to true breeding than most of his lines. However how LITTLE variation do you expect when an indica pheno is crossed with a sativa pheno. Even if they are both derived from a very stable line? As a matter of fact I would suggest that's exactly why he crossed a sativa pheno with an indica pheno. MORE choices?!
AND HYBRED VIGOR.
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bluntmassa1
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Skunk#1 (Dom. Afghan) x Skunk#1 is what it says for genetics so it's clearly an F1 from 2 true breeding lines of Skunk #1 it is a good line I'm going to be on my 3rd run from seed this one more selection. That was some bullshit though I didn't keep any cuts that first run cause it was my first time running MNS and the cheapest line but this one girl just the frostiest bitch that smelled and tasted like flowers with a little sweetness and yielded good have had other good ones but that was the keeper.
But I guess the description is a little misleading but I don't got no complaints except for I didn't find that keeper in the second pack. Lol