Soldiers Co Op Outdoor thread

papapayne

papapayne

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Yep precisely. they go thru and they eat it all, blackberry roots, stems, grass, weeds, everything. nothing escapes their noses and teeth. They make quick work of it to. plus, they have hooves, and dig into the ground simply walking. All the while, adding some fertilizer into the ground for me.

I have always wanted to plant in the ground, but never been able to. Definitely excited to see just how full I can make this greenhouse :)
 
werm11

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papapayne said:
Yep precisely. they go thru and they eat it all, blackberry roots, stems, grass, weeds, everything. nothing escapes their noses and teeth. They make quick work of it to. plus, they have hooves, and dig into the ground simply walking. All the while, adding some fertilizer into the ground for me.

I have always wanted to plant in the ground, but never been able to. Definitely excited to see just how full I can make this greenhouse :)
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That's great. What, if anything, will you need to do differently while caring for plants that are directly in the ground verse plants in big 100gal or whatever pots. To me it makes more since to plant right into the ground if you can do it because it basically gives the roots unlimited space to spread out right? But i also feel like problems could easily arise if not done properly. I'm really looking forward to following along this season! Been soaking up as much info as I can from you outdoor guys for the past couple years just waiting for my opportunity to start an outdoor crop.
 
papapayne

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werm11 said:
That's great. What, if anything, will you need to do differently while caring for plants that are directly in the ground verse plants in big 100gal or whatever pots. To me it makes more since to plant right into the ground if you can do it because it basically gives the roots unlimited space to spread out right? But i also feel like problems could easily arise if not done properly. I'm really looking forward to following along this season! Been soaking up as much info as I can from you outdoor guys for the past couple years just waiting for my opportunity to start an outdoor crop.
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Since this is my first time ever doing plants direct in ground, I may not be the best advice as far as first hand knowledge, feel free to chime in here any other points, suggestions, or comments :)

@Mohican @treemansbuds @partlycloudly @doublejj @whodatnation @getawaymountain or any you other guys I know have that have been rocking the outdoor following along.

The things I considered and had to make sure I made steps to prevent:

Gophers - laying hardware cloth in big ass holes I dig
Stem Rot - planting in smart pots and not fully burying them, so the top/stem section is slightly above soil level
Arsenic - my well has it, so had to make sure my soil didnt as well
Soil composition - mine has a ton of clay in it, and holds water due to all the constant rain, so adding a ton of compost, straw, and such to break it up, aerate etc.

Placement- this is kinda without saying, but saying it anyways. Once the plants in the ground - that's home. Choose wisely, and live with the results :)

I believe in the ground you also have to make sure to water properly, and be much more observation of the soil moisture levels because they certainly don't dry as fast as smart pots.

but yea, in general plants in the ground, when proper planning is followed, will produce plants to their fullest size as they is obviously no such thing as root bound in the ground - well I guess if you live where theres only 2 inches of top soil, and have bedrock really close to the surface. The Willamette valley (where I live) is known for excellent soil, and even my native stuff when digging is full of earth worms, and as far as native soil goes, pretty good.
 
papapayne

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mushroom head said:
You are making me excited! Wish the snow would fuck off so I could do some work. You raise rabbits as well? How are they to eat?
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if you didn't know it was rabbit, i think most people would think its dark meat chicken. Texture is really close, and with seasoning, no more exotic then chicken tastes.

I love it, wife not so much. She did try it though when dr.d81 and his wife made a big ol pot of rabbit burritos.

The last 2 litters were sold as pets though, none of them got eaten by us - they were the cutest litters though. one of the litters was from the high quality stock of my new Zealand reds - one of the gals that bought one of them is planning on showing it, will report back whenever/if ever she lets me know how she does.

I have 2 bucks though that I have my eye on to eat ;) And I have 2 white pelts in the freezer I plan to try my hand at tanning to make some slippers out of.
 
papapayne

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WV: Jetson said:
Down to Earth makes good products! I've always had success using their stuff in the garden.
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yea, they have been good to me to. IDK yet what the bill will be...hes gonna be getting it together and letting me know what his discount will bring it to.

alfalfa meal 25#
azomite 6#
bat guano 20#
crab meal 20#
bone meal 25 #
feather meal 5#
humic acid 50#
neem seed meal 40#
mycos 10#
oyster shell 25#
root zone bennies and myco 10#

Went with their application rates for new gardens based on my square footage. Should hopefully provide a broad level of nutrients, and hoping to make this run a water only + compost tea season.

My 65 gallon smart pots are full of clover to now, now thats its spring time, they are taking the hell off.

All in all - the season is coming together
 
Vnsmkr

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papapayne said:
yea, they have been good to me to. IDK yet what the bill will be...hes gonna be getting it together and letting me know what his discount will bring it to.

alfalfa meal 25#
azomite 6#
bat guano 20#
crab meal 20#
bone meal 25 #
feather meal 5#
humic acid 50#
neem seed meal 40#
mycos 10#
oyster shell 25#
root zone bennies and myco 10#

Went with their application rates for new gardens based on my square footage. Should hopefully provide a broad level of nutrients, and hoping to make this run a water only + compost tea season.

My 65 gallon smart pots are full of clover to now, now thats its spring time, they are taking the hell off.

All in all - the season is coming together
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Nice ammendment list there. That should be a good to go water only. Last few years I was making teas etc and recently I went back to simple, water from the hose. Its either plain water, water + molasses, water + aloe, or water + coconut water. Been working pretty well.
 
papapayne

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Joedank said:
hope i dont collapse it like my buddy did to his ...lol..
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dang, how did that happen??! My brother from cali is going be coming up here soon to help trim the indoor, and hopefully help with the plastic when I put mine up. Gives me a month or so to get it ready for plastic.
 
Joedank

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papapayne said:
dang, how did that happen??! My brother from cali is going be coming up here soon to help trim the indoor, and hopefully help with the plastic when I put mine up. Gives me a month or so to get it ready for plastic.
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SNOW !! lol... it is a pro ghouse supposed to stand up to the load ...but the plastic did not shead proper...lol.. damn windloading ...
 
papapayne

papapayne

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Big shout out to @Don Gin and Ton and the bb,

Got some beans in, and in water soaking

5 count Panama x Psycho killer

Hey don, was the pk the lemon pledge or the musty pheno? I didn't find the lemon one when I ran it, but the musty pk sure was potent, and yielded nice in a quick time, so definitely looking forward to seeing how these do.
 
papapayne

papapayne

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Joedank said:
SNOW !! lol... it is a pro ghouse supposed to stand up to the load ...but the plastic did not shead proper...lol.. damn windloading ...
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Oh yea, luckily I don't have much snow to contend with...just got an inch for xmas lol. Do have some pretty gnarly wind though, but got 6 posts per end wall in the ground, 4 of them concreted in, so I suspect she will do just fine. ...famous last words right?!
 
treemansbuds

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papapayne said:
Since this is my first time ever doing plants direct in ground, I may not be the best advice as far as first hand knowledge, feel free to chime in here any other points, suggestions, or comments :)

@Mohican @treemansbuds @partlycloudly @doublejj @whodatnation @getawaymountain or any you other guys I know have that have been rocking the outdoor following along.

The things I considered and had to make sure I made steps to prevent:

Gophers - laying hardware cloth in big ass holes I dig
Stem Rot - planting in smart pots and not fully burying them, so the top/stem section is slightly above soil level
Arsenic - my well has it, so had to make sure my soil didnt as well
Soil composition - mine has a ton of clay in it, and holds water due to all the constant rain, so adding a ton of compost, straw, and such to break it up, aerate etc.

Placement- this is kinda without saying, but saying it anyways. Once the plants in the ground - that's home. Choose wisely, and live with the results :)

I believe in the ground you also have to make sure to water properly, and be much more observation of the soil moisture levels because they certainly don't dry as fast as smart pots.

but yea, in general plants in the ground, when proper planning is followed, will produce plants to their fullest size as they is obviously no such thing as root bound in the ground - well I guess if you live where theres only 2 inches of top soil, and have bedrock really close to the surface. The Willamette valley (where I live) is known for excellent soil, and even my native stuff when digging is full of earth worms, and as far as native soil goes, pretty good.
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I'm a smart pot man myself. I had my whole garden in the ground except for 1 plant in a smart pot a couple seasons back. That 1 smart pot plant produced 20% more than the plants in the ground did. Since then, nothing but smart pots. Started w/100's, now using 200's.
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