EXCUSE ME?!..The OFFICIAL Bernie Sanders For President 2016 Thread

Fogdog

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Another issue that I want to be wrong about is Hillary's e-mail scandal. From what I've read, I think this is yet another attack on Hillary that is without merit. But I only know what I read, so, I keep looking for more information.

This Huffington Post reporter/analyst thinks its going to derail Hill Pill and put Bernie on the party ticket. After a year of FBI investigations, including retrieving the erased email files, they are about to interview key people in this scandal. This guy thinks it will be the end of Hill Pill once the shit hits the fan.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/yes-bernie-sanders-will-become-president_b_9726650.html

Yes, Bernie Sanders Will Become President. Hillary Clinton’s FBI Investigation Isn’t a ‘Nothingburger’

This FBI email investigation is serious, it’s not a joke, the FBI’s reputation is at stake...it will likely derail Hillary Clinton’s campaign, and ensure that humble pie and other less appetizing fare be served alongside the “nothingburger” establishment Democrats have consumed thus far.

Also, this from the LA times, which kind of says that she is either in real trouble or is not and probably not:
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-clinton-email-probe-20160327-story.html

The interviews by FBI agents and prosecutors will play a significant role in helping them better understand whether Clinton or her aides knowingly or negligently discussed classified government secrets over a non-secure email system when she served as secretary of State.

The meetings also are an indication that much of the investigators' background work – recovering deleted emails, understanding how the server operated and determining whether it was breached – is nearing completion.

“The interviews are critical to understand the volume of information they have accumulated,” said James McJunkin, former head of the FBI's Washington field office. “They are likely nearing the end of the investigation and the agents need to interview these people to put the information in context. They will then spend time aligning these statements with other information, emails, classified documents, etc., to determine whether there is a prosecutable case."

It's ironic to me that the force once run by J. Edgar Hoover for anti-democratic purposes might set in place the conditions to overcome the Democratic Party establishment who are working to defeat the wishes of the electorate.

 

londonfog

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Another issue that I want to be wrong about is Hillary's e-mail scandal. From what I've read, I think this is yet another attack on Hillary that is without merit. But I only know what I read, so, I keep looking for more information.

This Huffington Post reporter/analyst thinks its going to derail Hill Pill and put Bernie on the party ticket. After a year of FBI investigations, including retrieving the erased email files, they are about to interview key people in this scandal. This guy thinks it will be the end of Hill Pill once the shit hits the fan.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/yes-bernie-sanders-will-become-president_b_9726650.html

Yes, Bernie Sanders Will Become President. Hillary Clinton’s FBI Investigation Isn’t a ‘Nothingburger’

This FBI email investigation is serious, it’s not a joke, the FBI’s reputation is at stake...it will likely derail Hillary Clinton’s campaign, and ensure that humble pie and other less appetizing fare be served alongside the “nothingburger” establishment Democrats have consumed thus far.

Also, this from the LA times, which kind of says that she is either in real trouble or is not and probably not:
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-clinton-email-probe-20160327-story.html

The interviews by FBI agents and prosecutors will play a significant role in helping them better understand whether Clinton or her aides knowingly or negligently discussed classified government secrets over a non-secure email system when she served as secretary of State.

The meetings also are an indication that much of the investigators' background work – recovering deleted emails, understanding how the server operated and determining whether it was breached – is nearing completion.

“The interviews are critical to understand the volume of information they have accumulated,” said James McJunkin, former head of the FBI's Washington field office. “They are likely nearing the end of the investigation and the agents need to interview these people to put the information in context. They will then spend time aligning these statements with other information, emails, classified documents, etc., to determine whether there is a prosecutable case."

It's ironic to me that the force once run by J. Edgar Hoover for anti-democratic purposes might set in place the conditions to overcome the Democratic Party establishment who are working to defeat the wishes of the electorate.
Find another reason to hate Hillary, the emails are another Benghazi
 

ttystikk

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When I read of what goes on in Michigan and Ohio, not to mention Florida, I wonder why the people of the state simply let it go. Vote by mail in Oregon was instituted by initiative and over the heads of the apparatchiks. Some right wingers still call the process "vote by fraud" but the system has been relatively free of electoral fraud. But overall, 75% of republicans and 85% of Democrats say they like the process. The apparatchiks aren't about to take on that kind of sentiment.
Preventing the people from exercising their power by denying they even have it is a long standing tactic of fascists.

The Republican party of America today is a fascist organization.
 

Fogdog

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What makes you think we are letting it go?

Perhaps it can now be understood why I support Sanders and refuse to waiver.
I don't understand your unwavering support for all things Sanders. He is a good candidate and would have been a good President but elections matter and he lost That is unless this e-mail fraud issue blows up on Clinton in time to correct the mistake of making Sanders the winner.

What I don't understand is why the voters of Florida haven't corrected the problems that have led to voting irregularities in the recent past that excluded voters. I'm not talking about the kind of voter that can't keep track of which party they registered as prior to a closed election and so couldn't vote in the recent primary. That's just a dumb mistake although it is exclusionary and I see no reason for it. What I'm talking about is the way the electorate allows the politically powerful to rig close elections by manipulating access through the voting booth and voter registration laws.

Vote by mail fixes a lot of the problems. An initiative was necessary to push vote by mail in Oregon. Is there not a similar initiative process in Florida? Wouldn't fixing barriers to voting access correct one of the barriers to democracy in that political shit hole? So, yeah, I think voters of Florida have let the travesties of the past go.
 
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Fogdog

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Find another reason to hate Hillary, the emails are another Benghazi
I don't hate Hillary. I don't understand the hatred she draws from so many people. She's too Republican, which is why I don't support her.

Aren't you curious what the FBI discovered after 1 year of investigations with as many as 1500 agents poring over the records and interviewing potentially culpable parties? I think they wouldn't have done it without a reason. They did not do the same over Benghazi or any of the other phony scandals raised against Hillary. I think it will end up with nothing substantial to hold against her but I'm curious.
 

Corso312

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I don't hate Hillary. I don't understand the hatred she draws from so many people. She's too Republican, which is why I don't support her.

Aren't you curious what the FBI discovered after 1 year of investigations with as many as 1500 agents poring over the records and interviewing potentially culpable parties? I think they wouldn't have done it without a reason. They did not do the same over Benghazi or any of the other phony scandals raised against Hillary. I think it will end up with nothing substantial to hold against her but I'm curious.





I hate her, I can't get worked up about the email thing..I just don't see what the big deal is..the CIA and IRS and every government agency gets hacked by 16 year old foreigners routinely..no computer is ever really " secure" she's a typical politician, she's been bought n paid for..talks out of both sides of her mouth and most disturbing of all..she's a hawk and she's in bed with the banks.
 

ttystikk

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I hate her, I can't get worked up about the email thing..I just don't see what the big deal is..the CIA and IRS and every government agency gets hacked by 16 year old foreigners routinely..no computer is ever really " secure" she's a typical politician, she's been bought n paid for..talks out of both sides of her mouth and most disturbing of all..she's a hawk and she's in bed with the banks.
Yeah, pretty much that.

So I'm going to vote for who I want to see running the country and no amount of whining 'BUT BUT BUT Republican boogeyman!' is persuasive.
 

schuylaar

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Yeah, pretty much that.

So I'm going to vote for who I want to see running the country and no amount of whining 'BUT BUT BUT Republican boogeyman!' is persuasive.
I heard a reports that sycophant heads of state are contacting Obama admin over their fright that Trump might really make it..they are scared he just may do as he says..cut all funding..drop us from NATO etc.

Observation: Is this all it took to get their attention?:lol:

Maybe Trump for 4 wouldn't be so bad..this country needs a wake-up call.

I refuse the lock-step for Cunton..there will be NO rally.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/trump-terrifies-world-leaders-222233
 
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ChesusRice

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I don't hate Hillary. I don't understand the hatred she draws from so many people. She's too Republican, which is why I don't support her.

Aren't you curious what the FBI discovered after 1 year of investigations with as many as 1500 agents poring over the records and interviewing potentially culpable parties? I think they wouldn't have done it without a reason. They did not do the same over Benghazi or any of the other phony scandals raised against Hillary. I think it will end up with nothing substantial to hold against her but I'm curious.
Nothing relevant or dangerous
 

Fogdog

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The clip of the Koch Smoker was telling, too. They don't even try to hide the fact that the game is rigged anymore, because they are secure in the knowledge that average Americans can't do anything to stop them.
Yeah, I saw the same reference in a HuffPo article. Koch is OK with Clinton. A right wing endorsement.

He wins the presidency now, regardless of the candidate.

I still can't stomach the idea of Trump as prez. Sorry can't go there. If Oregon seems to be close to going over to Trump (way unlikely), I'm voting Clinton. There is a difference.
 

schuylaar

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Yeah, I saw the same reference in a HuffPo article. Koch is OK with Clinton. A right wing endorsement.

He wins the presidency now, regardless of the candidate.

I still can't stomach the idea of Trump as prez. Sorry can't go there. If Oregon seems to be close to going over to Trump (way unlikely), I'm voting Clinton. There is a difference.
You're still not addressing to Ttys point..
 
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