EXCUSE ME?!..The OFFICIAL Bernie Sanders For President 2016 Thread
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Corso312
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I agree with ya..that's the only way Vietnam ended..congress cut funding..it sucks to punish the pawns but if its the only way..ya gotta do it.
londonfog
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Wow about time we can agree on something. It has been a while.
ttystikk
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Wtf, are you seriously a used fighter plane salesman all of a sudden?
You want to impoverish your children on military boondoggles that are ALREADY OBSOLETE?!
So someone else can get rich?! And then lobby congress to start more wars and kill more people so we'll "need" more of these fucking things?
Please...
Corso312
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Bernie is my guy but I can't back his decisions blindly..if I don't agree with something I'll say it..
Padawanbater2
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He didn't vote to fund the war, he voted to fund the troops fighting in the war. That's not the same thing
Furthermore, he's been the only senator consistently fighting for the troops after the war
You're voting for Clinton, Clinton actually did vote for the war. Why don't I see you criticizing that? Why do you criticize Sanders for voting for funding, but not Clinton for voting for the declaration?
ttystikk
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Double standards everywhere!
Ace Yonder
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I been saying since the beginning that Hillary with Bernie as VP would be the best possible outcome. Would certainly be the best option we've had since the unrealized dream of a Howard Dean / Wes Clark ticket (Which I still insist would have been borderline idyllic). But then again, I consistently vote for Third Way / Centrist candidates, so my hopes and dreams leave me somewhat of a man without a country now that everyone is polarizing so hard.Clinton-Sanders 2016......
Called it!
londonfog
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do you know what the Authorization Unilateral Military Force Against Terrorists is. Look it up and then come back and tell me Bernie did not give Bush a free pass to rage war anywhere and anytime. Bernie is just as war dirty as Hillary. Shall we talk about Serbia next ?
Padawanbater2
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Sanders did not give Bush a free pass to wage war anywhere and anytime
"The Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Terrorists authorizes the use of United States Armed Forces against those responsible for the attacks on September 11, 2001."
"I'm opposed to giving the president a blank check to launch a unilateral invasion and occupation of Iraq."
Got any clips of Hillary Clinton against the war?
londonfog
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I'm not giving Hillary a free pass, but I also don't put Bernie on a golden perch neither.
He gave Bush a free pass to wage war anywhere and with anybody. How the hell you vote for The Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Terrorists without knowing whom and where you are fighting.
By the way which branch of service did you serve ?
Padawanbater2
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It authorizes the use of force against those that committed 9/11, not "anyone, anywhere, anytime". Are you telling me if you were a sitting senator during 9/11 , you would have voted against it?
I did not serve in the military. I'm curious why you think that's relevant?
londonfog
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anywhere anytime. the authorization was to damn broad. If I was a sitting senator I would have ask for more specific language be included before you get my yes vote. I also would not have been against a war whilst I fund it. You know what stops a war quick as shit...lack of funds or nuclear bomb
Padawanbater2
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You're trying to get people to look at Clinton and say "See, Bernie voted for war too, they're not so different!", it's obvious. The fact is that he voted against going to war, Clinton voted for going to war after seeing the exact same evidence. This difference creates a judgment call, Sanders had the judgment at the time to know (and call with incredible accuracy) that going to war would be bad for America. Clinton didn't. Any further votes to fund the troops fighting the war once we were already in it are irrelevant. When the decision to go to war was voted on, Sanders voted against it, Clinton voted for it.
They are not the same.
If you're trying to get Sanders supporters "on her side", I'd suggest highlighting the things they actually agree on and voted consistently on. Not the things they didn't.
londonfog
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How about you highlight the things they agree on, the Bernie Bunch here are stuck on hating Hillary. I'm just pointing out that Bernie is not much different from Hillary. Hell he agreed with her 90% of the time.
londonfog
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Bernie also had the insight to know that the 1994 crime bill would hurt a certain group, but yet once again he still voted YES.
Padawanbater2
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I'm not the one trying to paint Sanders and Clinton in the same light
Sanders and Clinton are very different and believe very different things. The 10% that she sided with republicans on is what pauses actual progressives from voting for her. That's not their fault, that's her fault.
londonfog
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[QUOTE="Padawanbater2, post: 12574885, member: 232653"]I'm not the one trying to paint Sanders and Clinton in the same light
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I will take claim to that, because in many ways they are the same. How do you feel about Bernies yes vote on the bombing of Yugoslavia
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I will take claim to that, because in many ways they are the same. How do you feel about Bernies yes vote on the bombing of Yugoslavia