Best strains for MS and colitis

eastcoastmo

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Hey everyone,
Hoping the RIU massive can help me with some strain info.
My godmother suffers from severe MS and my wife suffers badly from ulcerative colitis which is an autoimmune disease. I'm wondering if anyone has any info on particula strains that would be good for them. My godmother I'd have to do oil extraction but my wife is happy to smoke a joint. Should I mainly be looking for high CBD strains?
Cheers guys!
 

OGEvilgenius

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Wondering the same about MS as my mother was recently diagnosed. From what I've read a lot of folks like hybrids and/or high CBD strains. But I don't know any of the people who posted those recs.
 

eastcoastmo

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Wondering the same about MS as my mother was recently diagnosed. From what I've read a lot of folks like hybrids and/or high CBD strains. But I don't know any of the people who posted those recs.
Sorry to hear about your mum mate, MS can be pretty debilitating. I hope she can find some comfort.
Yeah, I've heard similar about high cbd and hybrids, hopefully someone who treats patients with it can chime in. I've got some bodhi good medicine that I would like to try out but I have no idea about oils or how to extract the cbd so that will mean more research!!
 

OGEvilgenius

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Sorry to hear about your mum mate, MS can be pretty debilitating. I hope she can find some comfort.
Yeah, I've heard similar about high cbd and hybrids, hopefully someone who treats patients with it can chime in. I've got some bodhi good medicine that I would like to try out but I have no idea about oils or how to extract the cbd so that will mean more research!!
I have my CBD Shark Shock or Nordle (I forget which) that would be nice for her, but otherwise it's mostly sativa dom hybrids and pure indicas. I'm thinking pure indica would be better as some of my sativas can be scary to the lightweights.

She is in good spirits, she also had a minor stroke but they didn't find any blood clots. At least they think she did but it could have been an acute MS episode too. Overall we got probably the best result we could have hoped for given the symptoms.

Thanks for the kind thoughts, my best to you and yours too of course.
 

Afgan King

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I have diverticulitis and believed to have either chrons or ibd. Either way as far as stomach issues I just smoke any weed really prefer Sativa's diesels are great for stomach spasms and cramps love me some Jilly or star dog as well. At night you can option to.eat edibles or just wake up and smoke right away. Mornings are normally ok light cramping and spasms till I smoke then on with my day. As far as I can tell I notice the biggest difference smoking heady Sativa's
 

Gmack420

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I have my CBD Shark Shock or Nordle (I forget which) that would be nice for her, but otherwise it's mostly sativa dom hybrids and pure indicas. I'm thinking pure indica would be better as some of my sativas can be scary to the lightweights.

She is in good spirits, she also had a minor stroke but they didn't find any blood clots. At least they think she did but it could have been an acute MS episode too. Overall we got probably the best result we could have hoped for given the symptoms.

Thanks for the kind thoughts, my best to you and yours too of course.
Oh man that's scary. Hope she's resting well.
 

eastcoastmo

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I have my CBD Shark Shock or Nordle (I forget which) that would be nice for her, but otherwise it's mostly sativa dom hybrids and pure indicas. I'm thinking pure indica would be better as some of my sativas can be scary to the lightweights.

She is in good spirits, she also had a minor stroke but they didn't find any blood clots. At least they think she did but it could have been an acute MS episode too. Overall we got probably the best result we could have hoped for given the symptoms.

Thanks for the kind thoughts, my best to you and yours too of course.
Yeah I'm leaning more towards the sativa hybrids after reading some journals. You're right though, I think some sativas can be a bit too much for people who don't normally smoke it.
Geez buddy, that's no good about your Mum, I hope it doesn't set her back. My godmother is constantly sick with pneumonia and has lost a lot of her memory, some days she has no idea who I am, it totally destroys me and I can see it really upsets her too. At least your Mum has you mate and I'm sure you'll find something to relieve her symptoms. Thanks for your kind wishes too mate!

I have diverticulitis and believed to have either chrons or ibd. Either way as far as stomach issues I just smoke any weed really prefer Sativa's diesels are great for stomach spasms and cramps love me some Jilly or star dog as well. At night you can option to.eat edibles or just wake up and smoke right away. Mornings are normally ok light cramping and spasms till I smoke then on with my day. As far as I can tell I notice the biggest difference smoking heady Sativa's
Thanks for the info mate, I'll look into the diesels and jillybean. I hope you can find some relief too!!

My mother has MS and she is good with just about everything just doesn't care for the high CBD.
Cool, thanks mate, that's good to know! Do you mind me asking what it is about the high CBD that your Mum doesn't like? Cheers bud.

Also found an interesting journal through my uni, I'll upload the full article when I'm on my PC.

Purified Cannabidiol, the main non-psychotropic component of Cannabissativa, alone, counteracts neuronal apoptosis in experimental multiplesclerosis
By:Giacoppo, S (Giacoppo, S.)[ 1 ] ; Rajan, TS(Rajan, T. Soundara)[ 1 ] ; Galuppo, M (Galuppo, M.)[1 ] ; Pollastro, F (Pollastro, F.)[ 2 ] ; Grassi, G (Grassi, G.)[ 3 ] ; Bramanti, P (Bramanti, P.)[ 1 ] ; Mazzon, E(Mazzon, E.)[ 1 ]



EUROPEAN REVIEW FOR MEDICAL AND PHARMACOLOGICAL SCIENCES



Volume: 19


Issue: 24


Pages: 4906-4919

Published: DEC 2015

View Journal Information

Abstract
OBJECTIVE: Multiple Sclerosis (MS) is a global concern disease leading to a progressive, chronic and demyelinating condition, affecting the central nervous system (CNS). The pathology has an inflammatory/autoimmune origin; nevertheless, neuronal cell death mechanisms are not to be underestimated. The present study was designed to test the effects of intraperitoneal administration of cannabidiol (CBD), the main non-psychotropic cannabinoid of Cannabis sativa (CS), in an experimental model of MS. The aim is to evaluate the capability of CBD administration to thwart the cascade of mediators involved in MS-induced apoptosis.

MATERIALS AND METHODS: Experimental Autoimmune Encephalomyelitis (EAE) was induced by immunization with myelin oligodendroglial glycoprotein (MOG)(35-55) peptide in mice. After immunization, mice were observed daily for signs of EAE and weight loss. Disease signs were evaluated using a standardized scoring system.

RESULTS: Immunohistochemical and Western blot assessments of key apoptotic markers reveal that CBD treatment is able to avoid Fas pathway activation, phospho-ERK p42/44 and cleaved caspase-3 triggering as well as alterations in mitochondrial permeability due to Bax/Bcl-2 unbalance. Moreover, CBD interferes with p53-p21 axis activation. As results, the absence of tissue apobody formation in spinal cord tissues of EAE-mice treated with CBD was established. Most of therapeutic properties of CS are currently ascribed to the psychotropic effects of phenylterpenoid delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol.

CONCLUSIONS: We have demonstrated that, alone, purified CBD possesses an anti-apoptotic power against the neurodegenerat ive processes underlying MS development. This represents an interesting new profile of CBD that could lead to its introduction in the clinical management of MS.
 

ky man

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Hey everyone,
Hoping the RIU massive can help me with some strain info.
My godmother suffers from severe MS and my wife suffers badly from ulcerative colitis which is an autoimmune disease. I'm wondering if anyone has any info on particula strains that would be good for them. My godmother I'd have to do oil extraction but my wife is happy to smoke a joint. Should I mainly be looking for high CBD strains?
Cheers guys!
IF it was me I would use the BEST INDCA weed I could find and make and use oil I know it help one frind of mine with ms so bad she had to take kemo..
 

OGEvilgenius

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Yeah I'm leaning more towards the sativa hybrids after reading some journals. You're right though, I think some sativas can be a bit too much for people who don't normally smoke it.
Geez buddy, that's no good about your Mum, I hope it doesn't set her back. My godmother is constantly sick with pneumonia and has lost a lot of her memory, some days she has no idea who I am, it totally destroys me and I can see it really upsets her too. At least your Mum has you mate and I'm sure you'll find something to relieve her symptoms. Thanks for your kind wishes too mate!



Thanks for the info mate, I'll look into the diesels and jillybean. I hope you can find some relief too!!



Cool, thanks mate, that's good to know! Do you mind me asking what it is about the high CBD that your Mum doesn't like? Cheers bud.

Also found an interesting journal through my uni, I'll upload the full article when I'm on my PC.

Purified Cannabidiol, the main non-psychotropic component of Cannabissativa, alone, counteracts neuronal apoptosis in experimental multiplesclerosis
By:Giacoppo, S (Giacoppo, S.)[ 1 ] ; Rajan, TS(Rajan, T. Soundara)[ 1 ] ; Galuppo, M (Galuppo, M.)[1 ] ; Pollastro, F (Pollastro, F.)[ 2 ] ; Grassi, G (Grassi, G.)[ 3 ] ; Bramanti, P (Bramanti, P.)[ 1 ] ; Mazzon, E(Mazzon, E.)[ 1 ]



EUROPEAN REVIEW FOR MEDICAL AND PHARMACOLOGICAL SCIENCES



Volume: 19


Issue: 24


Pages: 4906-4919

Published: DEC 2015

View Journal Information

Abstract
OBJECTIVE: Multiple Sclerosis (MS) is a global concern disease leading to a progressive, chronic and demyelinating condition, affecting the central nervous system (CNS). The pathology has an inflammatory/autoimmune origin; nevertheless, neuronal cell death mechanisms are not to be underestimated. The present study was designed to test the effects of intraperitoneal administration of cannabidiol (CBD), the main non-psychotropic cannabinoid of Cannabis sativa (CS), in an experimental model of MS. The aim is to evaluate the capability of CBD administration to thwart the cascade of mediators involved in MS-induced apoptosis.

MATERIALS AND METHODS: Experimental Autoimmune Encephalomyelitis (EAE) was induced by immunization with myelin oligodendroglial glycoprotein (MOG)(35-55) peptide in mice. After immunization, mice were observed daily for signs of EAE and weight loss. Disease signs were evaluated using a standardized scoring system.

RESULTS: Immunohistochemical and Western blot assessments of key apoptotic markers reveal that CBD treatment is able to avoid Fas pathway activation, phospho-ERK p42/44 and cleaved caspase-3 triggering as well as alterations in mitochondrial permeability due to Bax/Bcl-2 unbalance. Moreover, CBD interferes with p53-p21 axis activation. As results, the absence of tissue apobody formation in spinal cord tissues of EAE-mice treated with CBD was established. Most of therapeutic properties of CS are currently ascribed to the psychotropic effects of phenylterpenoid delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol.

CONCLUSIONS: We have demonstrated that, alone, purified CBD possesses an anti-apoptotic power against the neurodegenerat ive processes underlying MS development. This represents an interesting new profile of CBD that could lead to its introduction in the clinical management of MS.
I have noticed she is a bit forgetful, I also noticed my Grandfathers memory going long before most people did - he had Alzheimers. I've mentioned it to my dad before we got the diagnosis. She still functions quite well though. Two small plaques were found on her brain. Thank you very much for the link.
 

eastcoastmo

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I have noticed she is a bit forgetful, I also noticed my Grandfathers memory going long before most people did - he had Alzheimers. I've mentioned it to my dad before we got the diagnosis. She still functions quite well though. Two small plaques were found on her brain. Thank you very much for the link.
It's a very hard thing to watch someone go through, especially when you know that right now, there is no cure. I'm glad your Mum is still in an ok state, I hope it stays that way and doesn't deteriorate. Alzheimers is another brutal disease to watch someone go through, sorry to hear about your grandfather!
No probs mate, I'll put up more info as I find it, there is some 500+ journals I'm going to sort through!
 

bluntmassa1

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Yeah I'm leaning more towards the sativa hybrids after reading some journals. You're right though, I think some sativas can be a bit too much for people who don't normally smoke it.
Geez buddy, that's no good about your Mum, I hope it doesn't set her back. My godmother is constantly sick with pneumonia and has lost a lot of her memory, some days she has no idea who I am, it totally destroys me and I can see it really upsets her too. At least your Mum has you mate and I'm sure you'll find something to relieve her symptoms. Thanks for your kind wishes too mate!



Thanks for the info mate, I'll look into the diesels and jillybean. I hope you can find some relief too!!



Cool, thanks mate, that's good to know! Do you mind me asking what it is about the high CBD that your Mum doesn't like? Cheers bud.

Also found an interesting journal through my uni, I'll upload the full article when I'm on my PC.

Purified Cannabidiol, the main non-psychotropic component of Cannabissativa, alone, counteracts neuronal apoptosis in experimental multiplesclerosis
By:Giacoppo, S (Giacoppo, S.)[ 1 ] ; Rajan, TS(Rajan, T. Soundara)[ 1 ] ; Galuppo, M (Galuppo, M.)[1 ] ; Pollastro, F (Pollastro, F.)[ 2 ] ; Grassi, G (Grassi, G.)[ 3 ] ; Bramanti, P (Bramanti, P.)[ 1 ] ; Mazzon, E(Mazzon, E.)[ 1 ]



EUROPEAN REVIEW FOR MEDICAL AND PHARMACOLOGICAL SCIENCES



Volume: 19


Issue: 24


Pages: 4906-4919

Published: DEC 2015

View Journal Information

Abstract
OBJECTIVE: Multiple Sclerosis (MS) is a global concern disease leading to a progressive, chronic and demyelinating condition, affecting the central nervous system (CNS). The pathology has an inflammatory/autoimmune origin; nevertheless, neuronal cell death mechanisms are not to be underestimated. The present study was designed to test the effects of intraperitoneal administration of cannabidiol (CBD), the main non-psychotropic cannabinoid of Cannabis sativa (CS), in an experimental model of MS. The aim is to evaluate the capability of CBD administration to thwart the cascade of mediators involved in MS-induced apoptosis.

MATERIALS AND METHODS: Experimental Autoimmune Encephalomyelitis (EAE) was induced by immunization with myelin oligodendroglial glycoprotein (MOG)(35-55) peptide in mice. After immunization, mice were observed daily for signs of EAE and weight loss. Disease signs were evaluated using a standardized scoring system.

RESULTS: Immunohistochemical and Western blot assessments of key apoptotic markers reveal that CBD treatment is able to avoid Fas pathway activation, phospho-ERK p42/44 and cleaved caspase-3 triggering as well as alterations in mitochondrial permeability due to Bax/Bcl-2 unbalance. Moreover, CBD interferes with p53-p21 axis activation. As results, the absence of tissue apobody formation in spinal cord tissues of EAE-mice treated with CBD was established. Most of therapeutic properties of CS are currently ascribed to the psychotropic effects of phenylterpenoid delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol.

CONCLUSIONS: We have demonstrated that, alone, purified CBD possesses an anti-apoptotic power against the neurodegenerat ive processes underlying MS development. This represents an interesting new profile of CBD that could lead to its introduction in the clinical management of MS.
I think it's more about the high, CBD could possibly have positive effects she just likes dank better. If it's someone who doesn't like the high of weed high CBD can help.

But then again they had her on 60mgs of methadone, amphetamine's and Xanax every day now she just does weed she was even on these really expensive shots too.

She hasn't had any more bad problems from the MS since smoking and eating edibles, she's like Montel. Lol

Which is another thing Montel was treating his MS with regular weed before they started messing with high CBD strains. So I don't think CBD is too important but it could possibly have some unknown benefits it just don't get you as high.
 

kona gold

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I personly think you need high thc and the cbd for I think it take both..jmo...ky
Ky is on the money here!
You are gonna need a two part treatment regiment.
CBD is gonna be for colitis inflamamation, and for some of ms symptoms.
Then your gonna need a high THC sativa strain, that is gonna help with the neuro protection and protect from any strokes or further damage. Which means it will protect and help body repair the myelin sheath. This is the protective coating that surrounds the nerve.
You need to find a sativa that has an uplifting and happy positive affect. Not a trippy, thought provoking, heart pumper. Those are for different ailments.
I would suggest....morning hit with thc first,(oil by the way,most effective), then half hour to an hour the cbd.
Would do again midday, then again an hour before bed.
Needs to be done for six months, then once a day to maintain.
I have it this order so thc can go be the workhorse, and the cbd to "clean up" the inflamation and lessen the thc's more psycoactive affect.
That would be my starting point, then as thing develope you can tweak this regiment as you see fit.
 
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RM3

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I have a friend with MS and I bred this plant just for her and named it after her. Heidi's Unicorn first ever grown was harvested this morning, soon we will know if it works for MS and if it does I plan to make the seeds readily available to patients for free 8)
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kona gold

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I feel it important to share my experiences with you good folk.
The problem i see with medical marijuana, is fear of the unkown, fear of the medical establishment, fear of the government.
I cant tell you how many terminally ill people would rather die than try cannabis or it's oil. It is very sad!
I have made special batches of highly medical oil for certain people. They refused to take it and be healed.
Cannabis' healing properties are much more than its physical healing affects of thc,cbd,cbn,thcv...compounds. It heals our mind and spirit as well.
But i feel one of the best healing properties comes from mega dosing. This way you get a massive blast of thc into the system. Remember it is one of the most powerful antioxidents in the world. So you get this massive infusion of thc,antioxidents to your system.
This aids in the final healing part of mass dosing, SLEEP!
When you finally come down from your trip, and yes you will trip(which is part of the healing), but just remember its cannabis and enjoy the ride,, you will fall into very deep sleep!
This sleep allows that huge amount of thc and antioxidents go to work. They work synergistically with the bodies own dna based healing system.
Now mega dosing is not to be done all the time, as it is very powerful!
But from time to time can really have dramatic heal affects.

So lets do away with the fears we have and start trusting in this miracle from God the Creator.
And as many of us know, there are no deaths from cannabis.
NO DEATHS!!!!!!!
 

st0wandgrow

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Mo, I would look in to the high cbd strains. I treat two patients with auto immune disorders and the high cbd coconut oil has been a game changer for them both.

If you want to activate it, just add an ounce of high cbd flowers/trim to 2 cups of coconut oil and simmer on the stove top at 150-200 (candy thermometer is helpful) for at least an hour, stirring/mashing every 15 minutes or so.

If you don't want to activate it, just do a dry ice or dry sift extraction of the trichome heads, and add to room temp coconut oil, then refrigerate.

Both patients have been taking 1 tsp, twice a day. Works wonders for them both.

Best of luck!
 

kona gold

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I have had success from the one couple that accepted the oil that i was able to make for them.
The husband got really sick one night, and had to get rushed to the hospital. His white blood cell count was through the roof! The this huge tumor appeard on his neck. The diagnosed him with late stage lymphoma. And wanted him to go chemo/radiation route. But they said no, and wanted to try a diet change and cannabis oil. So i got it to him, and his tumor started to shrink pretty fast, and he looked healthier.
Then, shortly after he started, his wife gets this extreme pain in the liver region and has to go to the hospital.
They find a large tumor on her liver. I'm like what!!!!
So she starts on the oil that her had, and same thing! Her tumor, and pain start going away pretty fast, and she just starts looking healthy again.
This IS truly one of, if not the one, of the best plants we have been gifted!
 
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