Seeding Vs Clones For Higher Yeild ?

[jakkoutthebxx]

Should i start from scratch or should i get a clone ? Not sure about how this works but i wanted the most of each plant .

 

[Andrew2112]

Yield depends on genetics and the growers skills. For maximum potency I prefer to start from seed since being an original plant it is farther from senescence than multiple generation clones.

 

[bbyb420]

The whole clone degradation from "multiple generations" never made any sense. It is not multiple generations, it is literally a CLONE of the plant it came from. Starting from clone will save you time for sure by eliminating the sexing process and germination but the only way you will get a high yield is doing a lot of research on growing to begin with. What medium do you plan on growing in?

 

[racerboy71]

The whole clone degradation from "multiple generations" never made any sense. It is not multiple generations, it is literally a CLONE of the plant it came from. Starting from clone will save you time for sure by eliminating the sexing process and germination but the only way you will get a high yield is doing a lot of research on growing to begin with. What medium do you plan on growing in?

i tend to agree with this..
growing from clone vs seed as far as yields are concerned, shouldn't really make much difference imo.. sure, starting from clone will be an over all quicker grow as a plant started from seed vs clone should be a few weeks ahead of the seed plant..
so long as you grow each plant to the same size though, both should yield about the same, again, imo.. saying that though, if you grow the same strain a few times, from clone each time, you might be able to up your yields a bit more as you learn the plant, what it'l likes and dislikes are, and as it adapts to your grow environment, but i'd say that's more down to the grower and the plant adapting to the environment and grow style really, and not the fact that you started from a clone..

 

[jakkoutthebxx]

The whole clone degradation from "multiple generations" never made any sense. It is not multiple generations, it is literally a CLONE of the plant it came from. Starting from clone will save you time for sure by eliminating the sexing process and germination but the only way you will get a high yield is doing a lot of research on growing to begin with. What medium do you plan on growing in?

What Does medium mean ?

 

[jakkoutthebxx]

i tend to agree with this..
growing from clone vs seed as far as yields are concerned, shouldn't really make much difference imo.. sure, starting from clone will be an over all quicker grow as a plant started from seed vs clone should be a few weeks ahead of the seed plant..
so long as you grow each plant to the same size though, both should yield about the same, again, imo.. saying that though, if you grow the same strain a few times, from clone each time, you might be able to up your yields a bit more as you learn the plant, what it'l likes and dislikes are, and as it adapts to your grow environment, but i'd say that's more down to the grower and the plant adapting to the environment and grow style really, and not the fact that you started from a clone..

Ill try a clone

 

[racerboy71]

What Does medium mean ?

the medium is what you grow the plant in, soil, soilless, hydoton, hydo, so on and so on..

 

[jakkoutthebxx]

the medium is what you grow the plant in, soil, soilless, hydoton, hydo, so on and so on..

Super soil i heard is the best for indoors

 

[mr sunshine]

Super soil i heard is the best for indoors

There's no best

 

[racerboy71]

Super soil i heard is the best for indoors

i guess it all depends on who you ask, lol, everyone has their favorite.. i'm not saying ss isn't good, or the best, or the worst even, just saying that everyone usually has their favorite and reasons why..
i know a lot of people say that subs recipe for ss isn't the best as it lacks a few things and doesn't take a plant from seed to harvest without outside help.. just things i've read here and there though, not personal experience as i've never tried super soil..

 

[Alienwidow]

i tend to agree with this..
growing from clone vs seed as far as yields are concerned, shouldn't really make much difference imo.. sure, starting from clone will be an over all quicker grow as a plant started from seed vs clone should be a few weeks ahead of the seed plant..
so long as you grow each plant to the same size though, both should yield about the same, again, imo.. saying that though, if you grow the same strain a few times, from clone each time, you might be able to up your yields a bit more as you learn the plant, what it'l likes and dislikes are, and as it adapts to your grow environment, but i'd say that's more down to the grower and the plant adapting to the environment and grow style really, and not the fact that you started from a clone..

I agree with the clone vs. plant potency issue. And I usually run clones, but of the couple handfulls of seeds ive run, i thought that the seeds out produce the clones by a bit every time. They always seem just a bit more vigorous than the clones to me. But that might just be me.

 

[GuerillaGanjaGrower]

The whole clone degradation from "multiple generations" never made any sense. It is not multiple generations, it is literally a CLONE of the plant it came from. Starting from clone will save you time for sure by eliminating the sexing process and germination but the only way you will get a high yield is doing a lot of research on growing to begin with. What medium do you plan on growing in?

Starting with dank ass feminized genetics is the fool proof way of getting great yields and potency. Clones can bring in pests and diseases.

 

[GuerillaGanjaGrower]

i tend to agree with this..
growing from clone vs seed as far as yields are concerned, shouldn't really make much difference imo.. sure, starting from clone will be an over all quicker grow as a plant started from seed vs clone should be a few weeks ahead of the seed plant..
so long as you grow each plant to the same size though, both should yield about the same, again, imo.. saying that though, if you grow the same strain a few times, from clone each time, you might be able to up your yields a bit more as you learn the plant, what it'l likes and dislikes are, and as it adapts to your grow environment, but i'd say that's more down to the grower and the plant adapting to the environment and grow style really, and not the fact that you started from a clone..

Ed Rosenthal talks about clone degeneration in his books. I think I will believe what he says.

 

[racerboy71]

Ed Rosenthal talks about clone degeneration in his books. I think I will believe what he says.

i don't, if such a thing existed, why would clone only strains be so sought out?? some strains have been around for years and years, and are only available in clone form, things like certain og kushes, well shit, the list is pretty endless really, have been around for over 20 some odd years.. and surely they all come from clone after clone as i'd think it'd be pretty hard for it to go global and each person get a new clone from the mother plant each grow, which tells me that these strains have existed solely as clones for going on decades, yet i never hear that say for instance strain x is any less potent today then it was 20 years ago..
that's not to say that things can't and don't happen to strain over the years, and over time they start to lack things, but i honestly don't think that's down to genetic drift, but rather say diseases or an illness that may have effected the plant on a genetic level, and therefore each clone generation after was effected in the same way..

 

[jakkoutthebxx]

i guess it all depends on who you ask, lol, everyone has their favorite.. i'm not saying ss isn't good, or the best, or the worst even, just saying that everyone usually has their favorite and reasons why..
i know a lot of people say that subs recipe for ss isn't the best as it lacks a few things and doesn't take a plant from seed to harvest without outside help.. just things i've read here and there though, not personal experience as i've never tried super soil..

Ok so no ss because i will not have any outsidw resources

 

[GuerillaGanjaGrower]

i don't, if such a thing existed, why would clone only strains be so sought out?? some strains have been around for years and years, and are only available in clone form, things like certain og kushes, well shit, the list is pretty endless really, have been around for over 20 some odd years.. and surely they all come from clone after clone as i'd think it'd be pretty hard for it to go global and each person get a new clone from the mother plant each grow, which tells me that these strains have existed solely as clones for going on decades, yet i never hear that say for instance strain x is any less potent today then it was 20 years ago..
that's not to say that things can't and don't happen to strain over the years, and over time they start to lack things, but i honestly don't think that's down to genetic drift, but rather say diseases or an illness that may have effected the plant on a genetic level, and therefore each clone generation after was effected in the same way..

I see what you are saying but many clone only strains are used to make seeds of those strains and then those are cloned and so on and on and on....

 

[mr sunshine]

I see what you are saying but many clone only strains are used to make seeds of those strains and then those are cloned and so on and on and on....

Thats not true those seeds are called s 1`s. If you dont Know, you shouldn't act like you do. Eds obviously wrong, if he was right clone only strains would degrade over time and they haven't. Not one bit...

 

[GuerillaGanjaGrower]

Thats not true those seeds are called s 1`s. If you dont Know, you shouldn't act like you do. Eds obviously wrong, if he was right clone only strains would degrade over time and they haven't. Not one bit...

I wasn't acting like anything. There are plenty of growers that have discussed this issue with a lot more knowledge than you. You know more than Ed who has traveled the world growing this plant, has more masters degrees than you can count to. When did you publish multiple books on the science of growing cannabis? Where is your SCIENCE to back up your ignorance. I was simply saying that with all of the breeding that has been done a clone only strain is not really needed.

 

[GuyLeDuche]

I'm pretty sure any "clone degradation" that's taking place is from the grower fucking up the line a little each cycle..... It's well known that the grower can change factors in the op to bring out different expressions in clones from the same plant....

 

[mr sunshine]

I wasn't acting like anything. There are plenty of growers that have discussed this issue with a lot more knowledge than you. You know more than Ed who has traveled the world growing this plant, has more masters degrees than you can count to. When did you publish multiple books on the science of growing cannabis? Where is your SCIENCE to back up your ignorance. I was simply saying that with all of the breeding that has been done a clone only strain is not really needed.

You're a dumbass, obviously a noob that doesn't know shit.