Where to begin........

Evil-Mobo

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Well because I can't stop reading and wanting to learn I have found my way to the vertical section. Where would I begin now if I wanted to proceed down this path.

I have not used a SCROG before but was planning it in the next few runs at some point, so what's the difference if the plants grow vertically or horizontally right, it's still something new for me to learn either way.

My issue, I grow in tents. An oversize 2'x 4' and a slightly oversize 3' x 3'. The 2' x 4' has more area inside.

My 2 x 4 is running an 8 bulb Quantum Bad Boy T5 with a mix of Agromax and Phillips bulbs, and the 3 x 3 is running a Sun Systems 315w LEC CMH light which is the light I have liked the most of all I have used so far, more so than my COB light even.

I am a newb to growing, and researched for months before starting my first run, currently flowering my one plant left from run #1, and have my second run in veg.

Shifting some things around and starting to prepare for what run 3 might/will be. Maybe it's time for a vert ent grow..... but with my spaces how would I prep the plants in veg for a vert grow in flower.....

I would assume my 315 CMH would need to be run bare .....?

Thanks for the help and chiming in :)
 
Evil-Mobo

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kiwipaulie said:
I recommend reading threads in this section and you should get it.

There's not much to it. Just hang the bulb bare and grow around it.
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Well I'm considering this for my third run with the GG seeds which just started to pop. So being that I have never even done a SCROG before there's a lot new for me. Thought there would be more feedback here in this section is all...........

Appreciate the feedback
 
gr865

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Evil-Mobo said:
Well I'm considering this for my third run with the GG seeds which just started to pop. So being that I have never even done a SCROG before there's a lot new for me. Thought there would be more feedback here in this section is all...........

Appreciate the feedback
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As Kiwi said, read all you can, if you have a specific question about a certain part of a grow ask.
You can line the 3x3 with plants to get equal distance all around. I can get 5 plants vertical in a 3x3, with screens.
here is an example, it is about 30" across, it is set up outside my tent in this pic.

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Evil-Mobo

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gr865 said:
As Kiwi said, read all you can, if you have a specific question about a certain part of a grow ask.
You can line the 3x3 with plants to get equal distance all around. I can get 5 plants vertical in a 3x3, with screens.
here is an example, it is about 30" across, it is set up outside my tent in this pic.

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Why I am not seeing this until now is beyond me. TY very much for that.

What do you think if I do one of those for the front so I can move it, but grow three more on a trellis net tied directly to the frame of the tent on the sides and rear? Was there a reason you do not use the frame of the tent? I am just trying to learn here as much as I can because this would be great. I'm going to start running a flood table in flower soon just like my veg setup if that helps, but I hand water in coco and just have a catch pan underneath makes things easier "for me".
 
gr865

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Evil-Mobo said:
Why I am not seeing this until now is beyond me. TY very much for that.

What do you think if I do one of those for the front so I can move it, but grow three more on a trellis net tied directly to the frame of the tent on the sides and rear? Was there a reason you do not use the frame of the tent? I am just trying to learn here as much as I can because this would be great. I'm going to start running a flood table in flower soon just like my veg setup if that helps, but I hand water in coco and just have a catch pan underneath makes things easier "for me".
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My tent is a 4x4, So I have room to move around and also move the plants in and out for maintenance, I just felt the 3x3 circle would work best in my situation.
Yes as I get into veg I will be water/nutes the plants by hand until I get them into the tent then I will install the Blumats.
I think your idea about making one screen movable to be able to work on the other plants is a valid idea. I just did not want to have to work on the plants while under the HPS as I have already hurt my vision from being exposed to high intensity light.
Good luck on you effort and be sure to keep us updated on your progress.

GR
 
Evil-Mobo

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gr865 said:
My tent is a 4x4, So I have room to move around and also move the plants in and out for maintenance, I just felt the 3x3 circle would work best in my situation.
Yes as I get into veg I will be water/nutes the plants by hand until I get them into the tent then I will install the Blumats.
I think your idea about making one screen movable to be able to work on the other plants is a valid idea. I just did not want to have to work on the plants while under the HPS as I have already hurt my vision from being exposed to high intensity light.
Good luck on you effort and be sure to keep us updated on your progress.

GR
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With this setup you pictured are you pre training the plants in veg or just getting your desired size a and then tying them up when you flip the lights?
 
gr865

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Evil-Mobo said:
With this setup you pictured are you pre training the plants in veg or just getting your desired size a and then tying them up when you flip the lights?
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To be honest, that is a question that I have for the group.
How long to veg before beginning training? Also, do you cut off branches on the backside of the plant upon beginning tying it to the screen or bending them around to work into the overall vertical canopy?

I am thinking growing them to desired height, LST'ing them as they grow, then begin training to the screen when your desired height is reached. I think waiting until you reach you height that the back stem would be to large to LST. I am just not sure. Don't remember reading anything about this.
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Evil-Mobo

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gr865 said:
To be honest, that is a question that I have for the group.
How long to veg before beginning training? Also, do you cut off branches on the backside of the plant upon beginning tying it to the screen or bending them around to work into the overall vertical canopy?

I am thinking growing them to desired height, LST'ing them as they grow, then begin training to the screen when your desired height is reached. I think waiting until you reach you height that the back stem would be to large to LST. I am just not sure. Don't remember reading anything about this.
GR
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I appreciate the honest feedback, maybe we get some answers here for the both of us, I REALLY want to run these GG beans vertically.........

What light do you use with this setup in your 4X4?

Thanks
Evil

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OneHitDone

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gr865 said:
As Kiwi said, read all you can, if you have a specific question about a certain part of a grow ask.
You can line the 3x3 with plants to get equal distance all around. I can get 5 plants vertical in a 3x3, with screens.
here is an example, it is about 30" across, it is set up outside my tent in this pic.

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GR
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What lighting do you drop down in the middle of that?
 
Evil-Mobo

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gr865 said:
Sorry don't usually pay attention to sig's will take a look.
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It's all good if you tell me what you want to see I can post pics I might go veretical sooner than later because my newest addition to the flower tent is blowing up very unexpectedly and she has three sisters I have yet to flip. This is my Barney's blue cheese that's about six weeks from "seed" about a week in flower almost.......

This was 6/5/2016

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This was today:

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OneHitDone

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Evil-Mobo said:
It's all good if you tell me what you want to see I can post pics I might go veretical sooner than later because my newest addition to the flower tent is blowing up very unexpectedly and she has three sisters I have yet to flip. This is my Barney's blue cheese that's about six weeks from "seed" about a week in flower almost.......

This was 6/5/2016

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This was today:

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Now your getting some growth fast enough to make it worth opening the tent every day :P
 
kiwipaulie

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I as taught by ttystikk to grow the plants at least half the height of your grow space before topping which I did on my last one and then when I went into flower they were about 1.6cm high In a 2m tent. Once stretch is over they will no doubt be by the roof.

I have been vegging horizontally and then on the flip tying them back. But I'm considering ditching the veg tent as its getting old and replacing with a 4x4 like my flower tent and start vegging horizontally as well. I think I would get better yield.
 
OneHitDone

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kiwipaulie said:
I as taught by ttystikk to grow the plants at least half the height of your grow space before topping which I did on my last one and then when I went into flower they were about 1.6cm high In a 2m tent. Once stretch is over they will no doubt be by the roof.

I have been vegging horizontally and then on the flip tying them back. But I'm considering ditching the veg tent as its getting old and replacing with a 4x4 like my flower tent and start vegging horizontally as well. I think I would get better yield.
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You mean veg vertically?
 
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