How herm is the herm?

AlphaPhase

AlphaPhase

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I always hear about plants herming and ruining a garden. Actually, I hear about it quite a bit. So what gives? All mj plants have the dna to turn into a hermaphrodite. Some I guess turn easier than others.

I've grown quite a bit of strains that supposedly have herm tendencies, but not once have I had it happen. On the other hand I have had a couple plants that were true hermaphrodites, which is different. They show the pollen and hairs in the first 2 weeks, and it's not just a ball here and there, it is 100% mixture of pistils and balls everywhere.

I know I've told people this before, but I am almost 100% positive that 99% of hermaphrodite plants, or a plant that throws a couple of nuts, is environmental. If you got past day 14 with out the whole plant having balls, and got them after, it's an environmental or stress factor.

I know people will say I'm wrong. But, I've grown all sorts of "herm" prone clones and not once have had a problem. My environment isn't perfect either. There are people running co2 and all sorts of stuff and they get their crops seeded. So maybe it's a co2 issue. I don't know.

I'd like to hear of people's experiences. All mj plants can herm, not just a select few. They all have that trait, so what I'm getting at is if you have a plant that throws a ton of balls, it's not female, it's a male hermaphrodite. Imo.
 
AlphaPhase

AlphaPhase

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Also, I've heard of plants that the first grow, they throw balls, but the 2nd run of clones are fine. Now that is 100% environmental or a watering issue, or something. There is not a dna that tells the plant to throw a few balls the first time they grow, then it goes away after. It makes no sense to me lol
 
Vnsmkr

Vnsmkr

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Not once have I ever had any plants herm either. Unstable genetics + stress are the factors I would say contribute. Though, on that stress tip, I have stressed and I do stress the fuck out of all my plants in some form or another (and still no herms.......)
 
aspire2grow

aspire2grow

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maybe it comes with turning them against where they naturally grow read about some plants being closer to equator ect maybe its about using opposite factors to the original grown genetics all i know is i swapped my lightcycle by 2 hrs and had a ph lockout in flower and one of me fems hermed week 5 of flower so i think environmental can be a big part too
 
Budley Doright

Budley Doright

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AlphaPhase said:
I always hear about plants herming and ruining a garden. Actually, I hear about it quite a bit. So what gives? All mj plants have the dna to turn into a hermaphrodite. Some I guess turn easier than others.

I've grown quite a bit of strains that supposedly have herm tendencies, but not once have I had it happen. On the other hand I have had a couple plants that were true hermaphrodites, which is different. They show the pollen and hairs in the first 2 weeks, and it's not just a ball here and there, it is 100% mixture of pistils and balls everywhere.

I know I've told people this before, but I am almost 100% positive that 99% of hermaphrodite plants, or a plant that throws a couple of nuts, is environmental. If you got past day 14 with out the whole plant having balls, and got them after, it's an environmental or stress factor.

I know people will say I'm wrong. But, I've grown all sorts of "herm" prone clones and not once have had a problem. My environment isn't perfect either. There are people running co2 and all sorts of stuff and they get their crops seeded. So maybe it's a co2 issue. I don't know.

I'd like to hear of people's experiences. All mj plants can herm, not just a select few. They all have that trait, so what I'm getting at is if you have a plant that throws a ton of balls, it's not female, it's a male hermaphrodite. Imo.
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Do you have any pics of the true hermaphrodite plants, curious to see them. Great discussion btw, love hearing all of the theories that get thrown out here.
 
2easy

2easy

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i dunno my plants never herm and i am super relaxed with light leaks etc. i dont even zip my tents all the way shut.

i think overfertilising is a major factor. bloom boosters etc stressing plants to flower harder or in some cases forcing them to herm.

i dont use bloom boosters at all and never had a problem
 
ISK

ISK

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I recently harvested 4 plants whose seeds came from a hermie plant, and so far, zero seeds found, so if it was entirely genetics one would think at least a few seeds would have been produced.

So I believe (and I may be wrong) that hermie can be a result of either poor environment conditions and/or genetics.
 
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Appalachianhills

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I've only ever seen four plants herm (excluding the random banana from flowery a hybrid like 11 or 12 weeks to see how it smoked). Two of 8 hermed from a timer kicking on randomly in dark cycle, the other 6 in same room were 100% female. The other two were same strain but outdoors so I'm just guessing it was genetics. A better grower may very well be able to grow same strain without problems. So maybe it's a combination of genetics and grower experience? Idk just my personal experience
 
Kingrow1

Kingrow1

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ISK said:
I recently harvested 4 plants whose seeds came from a hermie plant, and so far, zero seeds found, so if it was entirely genetics one would think at least a few seeds would have been produced.

So I believe (and I may be wrong) that hermie can be a result of either poor environment conditions and/or genetics.
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Yer it just somthing new growers blow completely out of propotion, the word herm is an easy fix to their bigger problems :-)
 
Kingrow1

Kingrow1

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RM3 said:
Only true herm's I've had were all Land Races
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Great point, peeps go on about seed banks having shit genetics, really decades of breeding have given us much more stability than a lot of landraces and in reality we use much better seed than the wild. Downside is less genetic variation and bottlenecking.
 
hyroot

hyroot

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RM3 said:
Only true herm's I've had were all Land Races
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All the true hermies I had came from seed companies and bag seed. TGA Genetics, Redeyed Genetics , Exotic Genetix, LA Plata Labs, Sin City Seeds, Dutch Passion, Nirvana. Then various bag seeds over the years.

I've ran a few pure landraces. They weren't the greatest quality but one afgahan indica landrace was really good. The Jamaican landrace was rwally bad tasting. The rest were in the middle but they never hermed.
 
AlphaPhase

AlphaPhase

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hyroot said:
hermies are not a result of environment. they're a result of unstable genetics


poor breeding selection with unstable genetics. Too many people breed with S1's (bag seed) and polyhybrids. Very few breed with pure sativa and pure indica landraces.
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Environment is the main factors imo, also breeding with true herms when thinking they are male, but I also think that the unstable genetics is a factor, but only because of environment issues, the unstable genetics are triggered easier to herm Imo
 
AlphaPhase

AlphaPhase

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Vnsmkr said:
Not once have I ever had any plants herm either. Unstable genetics + stress are the factors I would say contribute. Though, on that stress tip, I have stressed and I do stress the fuck out of all my plants in some form or another (and still no herms.......)
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Same here bro, I stress the hell out of mine sometimes. For example, gg4, not one seed out of 100s of plants. For others, it will pollinate a whole garden, same cut. So something is wierd going on imo
 
AlphaPhase

AlphaPhase

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aspire2grow said:
maybe it comes with turning them against where they naturally grow read about some plants being closer to equator ect maybe its about using opposite factors to the original grown genetics all i know is i swapped my lightcycle by 2 hrs and had a ph lockout in flower and one of me fems hermed week 5 of flower so i think environmental can be a big part too
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I think plants being grown out of thier original location could be a factor, good point there
 
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