How to ACTUALLY make America great again

UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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panhead said:
Its pretty simple , get the president ,VP, speaker of the house,attorney general ,senators & congressmen in one building , then blow the building up .
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probably not a good idea to make terrorist death threats after sneaking in a bunch of muslim refugee terrorists, panherpderp.

especially since you are now on an FBI watch list and bringing extra heat to this site.
 
panhead

panhead

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UncleBuck said:
probably not a good idea to make terrorist death threats after sneaking in a bunch of muslim refugee terrorists, panherpderp.

especially since you are now on an FBI watch list and bringing extra heat to this site.
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Its probabally not a great idea to be using your food stamp card at the golf course either but that hasn't stopped you yet .
 
Ace Yonder

Ace Yonder

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ttystikk said:
No, it's quantifiable and therefore verifiable.
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It's also a misrepresentation of what the terms mean. "Left" and "Right" do not exclusively refer to economic ideas. As a matter of fact, economics are not even the MAIN factors in "left" vs "right".
"Left-wing politics supports social equality and egalitarianism, often in opposition to social hierarchy and social inequality." "Right-wing politics hold that social stratification and social inequality are inevitable, natural, normal, or desirable, typically defending this position on the basis of natural law, economics or tradition."
To redefine them on strictly economic lines is to highlight only a minor (And fluid, as there are numerous economic approaches on both the left and the right) aspect of each ideology and discard the major, and more important, factors. They call it "Left" and "Right", but it's not at all what they are measuring. They should be more honest with their nomenclature (but they are an idealogue-run site, so no big surprise there)
 
Ace Yonder

Ace Yonder

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abandonconflict said:
It has two axis...
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And only one of them measures "Left" and "Right", and it does it by measuring exclusively economic values when the terms are mainly defined by social policies. "Socialist" and "Capitalist" is much closer to what they are measuring, but still not a perfect label for it. But no matter how you cut it, "Left" and "Right" is an absolutely incorrect way to describe what they are measuring.
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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Ace Yonder said:
And only one of them measures "Left" and "Right", and it does it by measuring exclusively economic values when the terms are mainly defined by social policies. "Socialist" and "Capitalist" is much closer to what they are measuring, but still not a perfect label for it. But no matter how you cut it, "Left" and "Right" is an absolutely incorrect way to describe what they are measuring.
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But it has two axis...

Also, a spectrum that only includes liberal to conservative is thoroughly asinine.
 
Ace Yonder

Ace Yonder

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abandonconflict said:
But it has two axis...

Also, a spectrum that only includes liberal to conservative is thoroughly asinine.
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So the fact that it has two axes means that it is okay for them to completely mislabel one of them? I would argue that no matter how many axes it has, they should be accurately and correctly labeled. Like I said, switching "Left" and "Right" for "Socialist" and "Capitalist" respectively would be a much more accurate (but still flawed) description based on how they measure them, because they only take economics into account. Do you understand what I am saying?
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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Ace Yonder said:
So the fact that it has two axes means that it is okay for them to completely mislabel one of them? I would argue that no matter how many axes it has, they should be accurately and correctly labeled. Like I said, switching "Left" and "Right" for "Socialist" and "Capitalist" respectively would be a much more accurate (but still flawed) description based on how they measure them, because they only take economics into account. Do you understand what I am saying?
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It's not mislabeled. It is but one axis and it is correct. It is a grid, not a line. I think you are having trouble understanding this. Switching left v right for cap v soc would be acceptable to me but it must have two axis, however, I don't share your opinion that left v right is incorrect for labeling the horizontal axis of the grid. Left v right are socioeconomic. This opinion of yours, that left and right are purely social and not economic, or that cap v soc describe purely economic but not social measures, is a very flawed way of thinking.

Economics, describe social issues. Economic inequality is a social problem. Equality describes an economic condition.
 
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