dozens of good guys with guns fail to stop single bad guy with gun

[UncleBuck]

You must be racist since you support raping slaves. Either racist or ISIS.

go away, george.

 

[Big_Lou]

 

[desert dude]

go away, george.

You know you love me, Andy.

 

[Fogdog]

Like I said before, most gun crimes happen in inner cities by criminals. If i take a figure from
Lewisboro Town, New York and from flint michigan will they have the same gun crime rate?
This is proof gun control does not work. Only after they hired more cops did the crimes go down.
MURDER AND HOMICIDE RATES BEFORE AND AFTER GUN BANS
1 DEC , 2013

UPDATE: An interview that John Lott had on this post on Cam & Company is available here (SiriusXM Channel 125).

Original post: Every place that has been banned guns (either all guns or all handguns) has seen murder rates go up. You cannot point to one place where murder rates have fallen, whether it’s Chicago or D.C. or even island nations such as England, Jamaica, or Ireland.

For an example of homicide rates before and after a ban, take the case of the handgun ban in England and Wales in January 1997 (source here see Table 1.01 and the column marked “Offences currently recorded as homicide per million population,” UPDATED numbers available here). After the ban, clearly homicide rates bounce around over time, but there is only one year (2010) where the homicide rate is lower than it was in 1996. The immediate effect was about a 50 percent increase in homicide rates. Firearm homicide rate had almost doubledbetween 1996 and 2002 (see here p. 11). The homicide and firearm homicide rates only began falling when there was a large increase in the number of police officers during 2003 and 2004. Despite the huge increase in the number of police, the murder rate still remained slightly higher than the immediate pre-ban rate.

The inconvenient fact that you keep ignoring is that the US is completely out of line with the UK when it comes to firearm deaths. Take those numbers and multiply them by about 45 and that's what you'd see on similar charts for the US. All your charts do for me is to point out is that the UK wants to see their numbers go down, which proves that nobody except gun owners in the US thinks that gun related deaths are acceptable.

I'm not advocating gun bans, I'm advocating smart people working to solve the problem and I think those people sit in the community of gun owners. Other countries have lower rates of accidental deaths. Also, they don't have as many guns left unsecured so they can be stolen and used by criminals. Those are two areas where improvements can be made without restricting access. 30% of all gun owners don't even follow NRA guidelines for safe storage of guns. Which is why we have a high accident rate with guns compared to other developed countries and more theft. By immediately arguing against, you close your mind to solutions.

If gun owners don't take the lead in driving US gun related deaths down with a goal of equaling Canada or even better, the UK, then you will see the non-gun owning majority take the lead. I don't want that because I think the issue would be better solved by the people who are part of the problem.

 

[Dr.Pecker]

not good at reading charts?

it was at .11 when the handgun ban was implemented. it fell to .07 by 2009.

it went down.

You didn't see that big spike in the middle? It only went down after they hired more law enforcement (chart three). What you're proposing is disarming the united states and making it a police state. sounds like a step forward to me. Why stop at the second amendment? Why not take them all away? Maybe they'll send you and fogdog out to collect the guns.

 

[UncleBuck]

You didn't see that big spike in the middle? It only went down after they hired more law enforcement (chart three). What you're proposing is disarming the united states and making it a police state. sounds like a step forward to me. Why stop at the second amendment? Why not take them all away? Maybe they'll send you and fogdog out to collect the guns.

fun fact: the homicide rate went down after guns were banned.

 

[Fogdog]

You didn't see that big spike in the middle? It only went down after they hired more law enforcement (chart three). What you're proposing is disarming the united states and making it a police state. sounds like a step forward to me. Why stop at the second amendment? Why not take them all away? Maybe they'll send you and fogdog out to collect the guns.

Nope, not advocating taking away your guns. I'm advocating measures that bring us in line with other nations when it comes to gun related homicides. I'm saying that the time is now for gun owning community to step forward and take ownership of this. Because if you don't then the non gun owning super majority will step in and you won't like it. Then you will cry like a bitch and I'll laugh at you.

 

[Rrog]

Less criminals?

Bad answer of the week

 

[ovo]

Is the homicide rate somewhat the result of the fractured, or dysfunctional, collective phyche of the people of the U.S.?

 

[spandy]

Second guessing the people in a situation like that.

One of the factors in their decision was the shooter's intent to go on killing if he got away. Also at the time, they couldn't know that he acted alone. The guy was still armed and able to fire on the police from his protected position. Was theirs the best decision? I don't know. I do know that none of you, including doublejj or the knuckle heads who liked Spandy's post have any real idea either.

It doesn't matter, they executed him without trial.

 

[spandy]

Excellent point.

There is an interesting article on that topic posted on the Lew Rockwell website today.

So now every time someone holes up the police are just going to blow them up?

Seriously, point an LRAD at his location and wait his ass out while sending that little robot in with some gas grenades. He'll come out puking before long.

But no, instead they just decided blowing him up was the way to go.

 

[Rob Roy]

So now every time someone holes up the police are just going to blow them up?

Seriously, point an LRAD at his location and wait his ass out while sending that little robot in with some gas grenades. He'll come out puking before long.

But no, instead they just decided blowing him up was the way to go.

Yup. The police became judge, jury and executioner in that situation.

If you or I had a person subdued and unable to make a further assault, and we killed them, we would be charged with murder.

 

[Kalonji]

You didn't see that big spike in the middle? It only went down after they hired more law enforcement (chart three). What you're proposing is disarming the united states and making it a police state. sounds like a step forward to me. Why stop at the second amendment? Why not take them all away? Maybe they'll send you and fogdog out to collect the guns.

"Why stop at the second amendment" utterance of a tiresome asshole.

 

[Rob Roy]

Nope, not advocating taking away your guns. I'm advocating measures that bring us in line with other nations when it comes to gun related homicides. I'm saying that the time is now for gun owning community to step forward and take ownership of this. Because if you don't then the non gun owning super majority will step in and you won't like it. Then you will cry like a bitch and I'll laugh at you.

How will a non gun owning person go about taking away a persons guns?

Will they use threats of gun violence to do it Comrade Fog Dog?

 

[spandy]

Yup. The police became judge, jury and executioner in that situation.

If you or I had a person subdued and unable to make a further assault, and we killed them, we would be charged with murder.

And thats just it, they had the threat stopped, dude was cornered, no way out, and no one waited for anything better than blowing him up.

Fuckin dumb people.

 

[bluntmassa1]

let me know when the australian government starts genociding its own people. until then, enjoy your endless delusions of persecution, pedo klanman.

Just watch Brazil they got to do something before the Olympics probably going to be martial law.

 

[testiclees]

How will a non gun owning person go about taking away a persons guns?

Will they use threats of gun violence to do it Comrade Fog Dog?

Robot bomb?

 

[Chunky Stool]

And thats just it, they had the threat stopped, dude was cornered, no way out, and no one waited for anything better than blowing him up.

Fuckin dumb people.

Sure saved a lot of money. We don't have to feed him, pay for his attorney, and pay for his incarceration. Was there ever any doubt about his guilt?
I like it.

 

[bluntmassa1]

Sure saved a lot of money. We don't have to feed him, pay for his attorney, and pay for his incarceration. Was there ever any doubt about his guilt?
I like it.

Could have had an accomplice maybe even an organization. Maybe he was forced to do it maybe he joined ISIS. But we will never know.

And using a bomb well that just shows the people these are not cops they are fucking soldiers not everyone was aware before thanks for waking up the sheep.

 

[testiclees]

Sure saved a lot of money. We don't have to feed him, pay for his attorney, and pay for his incarceration. Was there ever any doubt about his guilt?
I like it.

What about a taser/laser robot or a gas robot or a kung fu robot or a mike tyson robot?
Blowing him up might inspire a harsher reprisal.