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shorelineOG

shorelineOG

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oldman60 said:
Fems aren't clones they carry all the genes of the strain but they tend to have larger
yields and more vigor, you can pheno hunt fems, you can even make crosses with fem pollen.
It's harder and more time consuming to use fems but the consumer has to pay the breeder
for his time and trouble that's why fems are more expensive.
I for one am more than willing to pay the price because I understand what goes into them.

:peace:
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fems dont take any work. Finding a male, testing progency, and finding crosses and combinations that work takes talent.
 
genuity

genuity

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All my regular plants show sex in 4-5 weeks...seems normal to me.

And fems should represent the clone only to the full estate. ..imo
Not just carry the genetics, that's what reg seeds are for...imo

But really,as long as it's fire at the end of the grow...thats what really matters.
 
shorelineOG

shorelineOG

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genuity said:
All my regular plants show sex in 4-5 weeks...seems normal to me.

And fems should represent the clone only to the full estate. ..imo
Not just carry the genetics, that's what reg seeds are for...imo

But really,as long as it's fire at the end of the grow...thats what really matters.
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All fems do is give the elite clone only cuts, a bad name and add to the confusion. If you have blue dream from seed...you don't have blue dream.
 
chronicals77

chronicals77

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genuity said:
I personally like regs,cause I like the hunt...(and it feels normal for some reason)

Fems to me,should all come out like the clone they was made of(that's the way it has always been told to me)....and in my few fem seed runs,that was not the case..
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That's not true, only clones are exact replica's. Even though they are fem seeds they still contain many pheno's of that strain or cross. Its like growing apples from seed, 1 in 100 will produce quality fruit. That's why fruit trees are cloned and grafted. Same thing, just with cannabis the odds are better than 1:100. Only a clone will produce the exact same traits every time. If you grow 5 fem seeds they may all be female BUT all 5 plants could be different pheno's. You then select the one or two with the best genes/traits and those are the ones you clone and/or pollinate.
 
genuity

genuity

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chronicals77 said:
That's not true, only clones are exact replica's. Even though they are fem seeds they still contain many pheno's of that strain or cross. Its like growing apples from seed, 1 in 100 will produce quality fruit. That's why fruit trees are cloned and grafted. Same thing, just with cannabis the odds are better than 1:100. Only a clone will produce the exact same traits every time. If you grow 5 fem seeds they may all be female BUT all 5 plants could be different pheno's. You then select the one or two with the best genes/traits and those are the ones you clone and/or pollinate.
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Clones from the same mom,X to each other should put out offspring the best resembles the mom...or what's the point?

Females from the same genetics, hit to one another. ..I can see them putting out different phenos. .
 
Smidge34

Smidge34

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genuity said:
Clones from the same mom,X to each other should put out offspring the best resembles the mom...or what's the point?

Females from the same genetics, hit to one another. ..I can see them putting out different phenos. .
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I don't think it works that way. Each "parent" even though genetic duplicates, still carry the genes of BOTH their parents and even though only one parent's genes are represented for any one characteristic, they still carry and could pass on a totally different gene of the other parent for a given characteristic. At least that's how I understand it, again, with my rudimentary knowledge.
 
curious old fart

curious old fart

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chronicals77 said:
I'm not trying to be the bad guy, I contemplated for an hour whether or not to post but I am a little bummed. I was very excited to have been able to get my hands on a pack of real Gorilla Glue #4 and I just happened to catch them in stock at OEM/Doc's Dank Seeds. I bought one pack. I recieved my order today(a day early) which put my delivery at 48hrs, fast! When I opened the pack I was a little disapointed. The beans are very small(smallest ive ever recieved), one is tiny, one seed is mature dark with spots/stripes. The other 4 are, I wouldnt say white but very pale green and no color(immature).
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I would suggest that you try them and if they don't work, then you can bitch....looks can be deceiving.
Herijuana is one of the strongest strains and those seeds are about a millimeter.

:peace:
cof
 
Vnsmkr

Vnsmkr

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curious old fart said:
I would suggest that you try them and if they don't work, then you can bitch....looks can be deceiving.
Herijuana is one of the strongest strains and those seeds are about a millimeter.

:peace:
cof
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Ive said this to people before too. Ive got a load of seeds from different breeders/areas and they are all different, some large, some small, some tiger striped, some solid colors, some dark, some light.....
 
chronicals77

chronicals77

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curious old fart said:
I would suggest that you try them and if they don't work, then you can bitch....looks can be deceiving.
Herijuana is one of the strongest strains and those seeds are about a millimeter.

:peace:
cof
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Im not really bitching, well I guess it looks that way a little bit. Anyway heres my problem and the ONLY reason I said anything before trying to germinate.

I bought them now because I seen GG#4 fems and ive only known the strain to be clone only and I didn't want to pass the chance and not be able to get them later.

I cant germ them now because I have some free beans coming from a breeder that I promised I would grow his right away. So itll be 2.5-3 months before I can try to germ the GG#4's and if I waited that long to say something they would be like "theres nothing I can do, its been 3 months since your purchase". So that's why I chose to say something the day I recieved them.

I know theres a chance they may germinate but I wont know for 3 months. I believe however beans are not cheap, even $55 for 5 is $11 each. $11 for one seed, even $6-$8 per seed isnt cheap for a plant seed. However I know what kind of work and time goes into producing good fem seeds. That said, I still believe when a grower is paying good money for seeds those seeds should be mature and of top quality. A immature seed might pop, but that doesnt mean it will survive past the first week.

Now free seeds however, thats different. You get what you get.
 
hockeybry2

hockeybry2

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Doc's Dank Seeds said:
@SmokyLungs
Guess Who ?
A random mix of seeds from my time breeding which includes the last Swamp Wreck and Rum Bayou seeds and many more great crosses
Regular
Yield and flower time will vary from plant to plant


Doc is visiting with an old friend. He will be on later to read and respond. Great debate everyone. Full of info
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I'm assuming the guess who are regs correct?
 
Friction1957

Friction1957

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chronicals77 said:
Im not really bitching, well I guess it looks that way a little bit. Anyway heres my problem and the ONLY reason I said anything before trying to germinate.

I bought them now because I seen GG#4 fems and ive only known the strain to be clone only and I didn't want to pass the chance and not be able to get them later.

I cant germ them now because I have some free beans coming from a breeder that I promised I would grow his right away. So itll be 2.5-3 months before I can try to germ the GG#4's and if I waited that long to say something they would be like "theres nothing I can do, its been 3 months since your purchase". So that's why I chose to say something the day I recieved them.

I know theres a chance they may germinate but I wont know for 3 months. I believe however beans are not cheap, even $55 for 5 is $11 each. $11 for one seed, even $6-$8 per seed isnt cheap for a plant seed. However I know what kind of work and time goes into producing good fem seeds. That said, I still believe when a grower is paying good money for seeds those seeds should be mature and of top quality. A immature seed might pop, but that doesnt mean it will survive past the first week.

Now free seeds however, thats different. You get what you get.
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I have some of Doc's GG #4 S1. Shipping was perfect, he handed them to me when I went to visit his grow ;-)

I dropped a small lighter colored one last night in a cup of water expecting to move it this morning to a paper towel. I woke up and it already had a solid tap root pushing out just sitting in the glass. Can't comment on all of them, but that was the first time I've ever had one show tap root while still in the glass of water. Poked it in the dirt this morning and it already has green starting to poke out of the dirt. Haven't dropped that many seeds, less than 50 of them, but this is the most vigorous of any that I've dropped before now.
 
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