5 gallon cloth bags with handles or 5 gallon plastic pots?

MichiganMedGrower

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I ended up doing yard work and never got around to repotting this plant. I'll get a photo of the roots when I repot tomorrow. I'm sure they are circling, but that does not always happen with plastic pots. If you wait until the soil is completely dry before watering, the roots will not circle the pot as much. Root tips get "air pruned" when the medium shrinks and separates from the sides of the pot, creating a small gap.
i have been really focusing on drying out the pots. This is the result. I got way more roots searching out food. But I did mix happy frog in this time for the myco's. I didn't mean to post a pic proving the circling argument and start another two arguments. NOOOOOOOOO!!!

Lol
 

Budley Doright

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I want to try the cloth pots, now using plastic grow bags and have for a while but back in the day we used burlap feed bags and they worked really well, they actually rotted out on the bottom just about mid way through the season and allowed the roots to grow into the now soft soil underneath. The plastic bags work ok but seem to need lots of water these days :(.
 

Colo MMJ

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Thanks!
The side panels are cheap LED units. I already had a bunch of equipment before I started using a tent, so I did the ol' mix & match. 600w HPS + LED side panels + lizard lights in the corners (UV).
I debated whether or not to install a screen to support the buds but when they lean over, it opens up the canopy -- which is a good thing. Pots are *not* sitting right next to the walls of the tent. There's a border around the perimeter with four small fans moving air in a circle around the base (very important). Exhaust fan blows out the top & the intake vent is on the bottom.
Ha ha. Nice set up. Someone gave me those $20 LEDs and I thought they were a joke but the plants like them. Babies out of the clone box love them too.
 

Chunky Stool

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In the photo you are holding a coco root mass with live roots but there is no top no stem you are holding air and in your other photos you are in peat and perlite. yeah photoshop.
Whatever. This was from a harvested black Willie grown in coco. I had added a topcoat of fresh coir because the roots were exposed. Derp Dee duh.
I grow in various mediums -- even use calcined clay in my custom blends.
Obviously you are too immature to admit that you're wrong. Grow the fuck up.
 

backtracker

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Whatever. This was from a harvested black Willie grown in coco. I had added a topcoat of fresh coir because the roots were exposed. Derp Dee duh.
I grow in various mediums -- even use calcined clay in my custom blends.
Obviously you are too immature to admit that you're wrong. Grow the fuck up.
Trying to reinvent plant physiology and bullshit people is childish and chickenshit. There are new growers here who are learning and looking for info so when someone tries to impress them by blowing smoke up their butt it's laughable but sad too because misinformation can really discourage someone when they get into trouble by doing something stupid that they were told they should do.
 

Budley Doright

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I got to admit it did look a tad weird but never thought about photo shop because really ....... it's a root ball lol. And really I think we all realize that any non breathable pot will cause spinning....in most cases :).
 

Dr. Who

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The roots in that small plastic pot are all scrunched up and circling but in fabric pots the roots don't do that they go to the edge and stop they don't circle and when they are transplanted the fabric grown roots grow into the new soil while the plastic pot roots have to grow new roots. Lets see a photo of the roots.
Here is a couple pics of my plastic pot rootball. I am really interested in hearing more pros and cons.
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Years ago, when "Air pots" first were shown to the public. A now well known brand gave me a fair amount of them in various sizes to test and review.

My review information was never used. I don't like them and I don't recommend them!

Let me review here. I got frustrated with them real fast! The biggest problem is what many call the pots best quality. This "pruning" thing !!
This creates a very thick and heavy root ball that concentrates it's self in the core of the pot. This leaves a light, almost normal soil area surrounding the root ball. When you water, the watering flows around the core of the root ball and drains out the sides a significant portion of your watering. This leaves the dense part of the core dry. Some say let it sit and soak up the runoff or pour it back through. Not the best idea! What about the "leeched out content" of that run off? More "salts" ? Watering more creates only waste by making you use more of everything you mix in your feeds.

This problem is called the "umbrella effect". Sure, up potting will let the roots grow into new areas but, you still end up with that overly dense "core". How about that not effectively using that nutrition along those edge's isn't being efficient either.

At harvest, I have cut these root balls in half and compared to root balls from "normal" plastic pots. They don't compare well. The fabric pot has that dry center - even after complete waterings. While the "normal" pot has moisture spread evenly as the roots are spread evenly also. Heavy rooting, spun around the bottom of "normal" pots, shows that the person needs to up pot better and more often! That's a fail on the growers part, NOT the pots part! Bigger is better and at the right time is key.

As far as any argument about getting o2 to the roots in watering. Water smaller amounts more often! I have found that watering everyday at lights on, a metered amount that lasts till the next day at lights on works best for ME. It's not hard to figure that process out!

@MichiganMedGrower - Lovely root ball! Time to up pot! (in my book). I up pot from Solo, to 1 gallons, to 3 gallons and right before the flip, to 5's or 7's (strain dependent), wait 8 - 10 days and flip. The plant (in water only soils) will run to finish with an excellent ending root ball! This method worked just as well when using synthetics! I might have used more 7's then but, it was due to the strains ran.....

Bottom line is. I feel the normal pot requires less attention to detail and saves in the long run. I DO still keep some Reapers, Bhut's and Bishop's (super hot peppers) in 20 gallon fabric pots in the house as they make great looking "tree" style house plants when trimmed properly. Not to mention they make peppers for my favorite hot sauces (Feel the real BURN) and jellies. The reason being, They make good long-term, large plant pots for indoors.

The bottom line is this.

DO WHAT WORKS FOR YOU!

I did NOT come in here and slam anyone's growing! I did NOT say anyone was wrong for using them!

I came in and gave an alternate view, based on personal experience in testing them by corporate request!

Maybe a few folk's learned something!

Doc
 

dandyrandy

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I used plant warrior pots instead of my trusty 5 gal. buckets. I did not like them due to drying to much when the plants get bigger. Ymmv
 

Dr. Who

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I want to try the cloth pots, now using plastic grow bags and have for a while but back in the day we used burlap feed bags and they worked really well, they actually rotted out on the bottom just about mid way through the season and allowed the roots to grow into the now soft soil underneath. The plastic bags work ok but seem to need lots of water these days :(.
That's how we used to start outdoor plants in the "old days" in Ukiah on the "commune" when I was learning..
Kinda like a raised bed that sunk roots into the ground as it grew!
 

MichiganMedGrower

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Years ago, when "Air pots" first were shown to the public. A now well known brand gave me a fair amount of them in various sizes to test and review.

My review information was never used. I don't like them and I don't recommend them!

Let me review here. I got frustrated with them real fast! The biggest problem is what many call the pots best quality. This "pruning" thing !!
This creates a very thick and heavy root ball that concentrates it's self in the core of the pot. This leaves a light, almost normal soil area surrounding the root ball. When you water, the watering flows around the core of the root ball and drains out the sides a significant portion of your watering. This leaves the dense part of the core dry. Some say let it sit and soak up the runoff or pour it back through. Not the best idea! What about the "leeched out content" of that run off? More "salts" ? Watering more creates only waste by making you use more of everything you mix in your feeds.

This problem is called the "umbrella effect". Sure, up potting will let the roots grow into new areas but, you still end up with that overly dense "core". How about that not effectively using that nutrition along those edge's isn't being efficient either.

At harvest, I have cut these root balls in half and compared to root balls from "normal" plastic pots. They don't compare well. The fabric pot has that dry center - even after complete waterings. While the "normal" pot has moisture spread evenly as the roots are spread evenly also. Heavy rooting, spun around the bottom of "normal" pots, shows that the person needs to up pot better and more often! That's a fail on the growers part, NOT the pots part! Bigger is better and at the right time is key.

As far as any argument about getting o2 to the roots in watering. Water smaller amounts more often! I have found that watering everyday at lights on, a metered amount that lasts till the next day at lights on works best for ME. It's not hard to figure that process out!

@MichiganMedGrower - Lovely root ball! Time to up pot! (in my book). I up pot from Solo, to 1 gallons, to 3 gallons and right before the flip, to 5's or 7's (strain dependent), wait 8 - 10 days and flip. The plant (in water only soils) will run to finish with an excellent ending root ball! This method worked just as well when using synthetics! I might have used more 7's then but, it was due to the strains ran.....

Bottom line is. I feel the normal pot requires less attention to detail and saves in the long run. I DO still keep some Reapers, Bhut's and Bishop's (super hot peppers) in 20 gallon fabric pots in the house as they make great looking "tree" style house plants when trimmed properly. Not to mention they make peppers for my favorite hot sauces (Feel the real BURN) and jellies. The reason being, They make good long-term, large plant pots for indoors.

The bottom line is this.

DO WHAT WORKS FOR YOU!

I did NOT come in here and slam anyone's growing! I did NOT say anyone was wrong for using them!

I came in and gave an alternate view, based on personal experience in testing them by corporate request!

Maybe a few folk's learned something!

Doc
Thanks for all that Doc. You have echo'd many of my concerns and got me thinkin about a few more.

I also up pot from. Red cups to #1 to #3 as my final. I was transplanting when I took the pic. It is more developed than I expected I have to attest to Happy frog mixed into my ocean forest.

I did it for cost but it seems to have real good mycos. They must be working. I can't wait to see the roots at harvest!!

Anyway I have decided to stick with the premium nursery plastic pots. I like working with them mostly is the reason. And now all these new cloth pot negatives.

Aren't they really designed for outdoor so the roots can penetrate into the ground?
 

thewanderingjack

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That's how we used to start outdoor plants in the "old days" in Ukiah

HAHA that's how I do it, today, in Eureka... Go NorCal! Not cannabis unfortunately... Eureka city codes... (I think Humboldt too)... no outdoor growing... legally I mean, which with my small lot in city limits, I have no choice but to follow. But I have some blueberries in sacks while I figure out where (in my yard) I will put them into pots. My soil is crap, like toxic... not Chernobyl or anything, but I wouldn't plant anything I plan to eat in it.

I'm sure I'd seen it before... but to me it just seemed so logical.... I have always been a fan of easy gardening... and using burlap sack like this, or raised bed, or boxes, Is not only a good way to grow but also to avoid sodbusting, which has always been a bigger PITA to me than making a box and filling it up... our piling up a mound, or using these good ol' sacks... and it has the added benefit of (as you poined out) prepping the actual soil undeneath.

As to problems with air pots or bags... huh... I've never had any. Good root balls... etc etc... but then I water differently than most. I water very little (as compared to others)... I never soak my soil... or water it til water runs out the bottom... dribbles maybe...not runs. I also keep my watering somewhat close to the plant... not right at the stalk (except when it's a baby in a big pot) but around it. I water my plant, not my pot (though it is a pot plant... potted pot... sorry... been up a while)
 
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Dr. Who

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That's my experience with 15 gallon fabric pots as well @DrWho ; A dry core. I too have cut them in half after harvest...:???:
I let a Bhut (ghost pepper) sit outside in one with out moving it for about 10 days......Roots had grown through the bottom and in a surprisingly heavy way. Drier part of the year and the poor thing was following the run off moisture....
That dry core really keeps the plant "wanting" .....

My sister has that plant now....Still looking great.....She has it pruned to about 5' and spreading out like a diamond shape if you look down at it.
 

Dr. Who

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HAHA that's how I do it, today, in Eureka... Go NorCal! Not cannabis unfortunately... Eureka city codes... (I think Humboldt too)... no outdoor growing... legally I mean, which with my small lot in city limits, I have no choice but to follow. But I have some blueberries in sacks while I figure out where (in my yard) I will put them into pots. My soil is crap, like toxic... not Chernobyl or anything, but I wouldn't plant anything I plan to eat in it.

I'm sure I'd seen it before... but to me it just seemed so logical.... I have always been a fan of easy gardening... and using burlap sack like this, or raised bed, or boxes, Is not only a good way to grow but also to avoid sodbusting, which has always been a bigger PITA to me than making a box and filling it up... our piling up a mound, or using these good ol' sacks... and it has the added benefit of (as you poined out) prepping the actual soil undeneath.

Nice! I hear you on the alternative to the "sod busting" thing! Someone here brought up the old "growing" in a straw bale thing. I grew up on a farm and mom taught that to us kids.
I brought that up at an FFA meeting and taught a brief class on how that was done with tomato's and home made tea's as an example.
Now as I drive around the area. I see gardens with tomato's in straw bales all over! Some real nice one's too! If only more conservation could catch on!
 
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