Molasses?

[Olive Drab Green]

Now that guy's on ignore, too. Like I said, my plants show that I can grow. Even with what you guys consider to be some of the lowest quality components. i.e. my light, my medium, my ferts. The only issue I've had was slight N tox. That aside, everyone agrees my plants look great, and more importantly, I think so, too. Will I probably get an air pump and start making AACTs? Probably eventually. For now, I'm fine with what I'm doing.

 

[Gary Goodson]

Then tell me, what do you think the yucca is for? Do you know what loves to munch on yucca? Fungi! I hope there's some fun girls in there too lol

There is plenty of food in your soil and molasses isn't that great of a fertilizer either. Again, it has calcium and iron and some nitrogen, but that should all be in your base fertilizer anyway. Even if you were doing water only soil, all of that would be in the mix.

You might want to also take a look at this
http://organicxpert.blogspot.com/2012/09/molasses-as-organic-fertilizer-good-or.html

 

[Olive Drab Green]

Then tell me, what do you think the yucca is for? Do you know what loves to munch on yucca? Fungi! I hope there's some fun girls in there too lol

There is plenty of food in your soil and molasses isn't that great of a fertilizer either. Again, it has calcium and iron and some nitrogen, but that should all be in your base fertilizer anyway. Even if you were doing water only soil, all of that would be in the mix.

You might want to also take a look at this
http://organicxpert.blogspot.com/2012/09/molasses-as-organic-fertilizer-good-or.html

Myco's fungus, innit?

What would you suggest that's effective and organic?

 

[Olive Drab Green]

"There are a number of "molasses-based" fertilizers in the market. So, are these products good or bad?
Molasses based fertilizers are good if you wish to increase microbial activity. Increased microbial activity is good for fallow ground or in pre-plant situations. If you increase microbial activity during the growing season you will reduce the available nitrogen for crop growth. This is because microbes use both carbon and nitrogen in an 8:1 ratio. The Nitrogen consumed by the microbes for cell production is immobilized and will only be available in some future time-frame - not in this seasons crop.
Molasses has a 27:1 carbon to nitrogen ration and contains about 21% soluble carbon. For every 8 pounds of carbon applied 1 pound of Nitrogen will be immobilized, or for each 1 lb. of carbon (2 lbs molasses) .12 lbs of Nitrogen will be immobilized.
Let's analyze a liquid fertilizer weighing 10 lb. per gallon @ 4% nitrogen containing 50% molasses.
Carbon content:
10 lb. x .5 (50%) x .21 (% C) = 1.05 lbs Carbon
Nitrogen content:
10 lb x .04 (% N) = .4 lb Nitrogen
Nitrogen Immobilized
1.05 (lbs C) x .12 (lbs. N Immobilized) = 0.126 lbs Nitrogen Immobilized
Remaining Plant Available Nitrogen:
.4 (lbs N per gal.) - .126 (lbs N immobilized) = .274 lbs Nitrogen

This equates to a 31% loss in available Nitrogen!"

This states that molasses is a good fertilizer, especially for increasing microbial activity, but that I'm going to need extra nitrogen, which I only need a little of during flower, anyway, right?

 

[Gary Goodson]

Hold on man, I'm still on turtle so replying takes some time.

First quote. yes mycos is fungi. but what I'm saying is fungi love yucca so no need to feed them sugars, they have food. You also said you have ewc in the mix so you've got the bacteria covered as well. They are going to be feeding on organic matter in the soil. So again, no need for sugars.

Second quote. I don't think you read the link properly. Its basically said what I was saying earlier, molasses is good for boosting microbe populations, but once established no need to continue feeding them molasses.

 

[Olive Drab Green]

Hold on man, I'm still on turtle so replying takes some time.

First quote. yes mycos is fungi. but what I'm saying is fungi love yucca so no need to feed them sugars, they have food. You also said you have ewc in the mix so you've got the bacteria covered as well. They are going to be feeding on organic matter in the soil. So again, no need for sugars.

Second quote. I don't think you read the link properly. Its basically said what I was saying earlier, molasses is good for boosting microbe populations, but once established no need to continue feeding them molasses.

Alright, man. You're never a dick to me, and I can see you're not just trying to show off, you're trying to help me. I'll take a look around for a natural/organic solution to terpinator/resinator besides molasses.

 

[Dr.Nick Riviera]

Then tell me, what do you think the yucca is for? Do you know what loves to munch on yucca? Fungi! I hope there's some fun girls in there too lol

There is plenty of food in your soil and molasses isn't that great of a fertilizer either. Again, it has calcium and iron and some nitrogen, but that should all be in your base fertilizer anyway. Even if you were doing water only soil, all of that would be in the mix.

You might want to also take a look at this
http://organicxpert.blogspot.com/2012/09/molasses-as-organic-fertilizer-good-or.html

it has trace elements, if I pissed in the ocean, it now has trace elements of my piss. and as you said, you shouldn't need anything from molasses that you don't already have.

 

[Gary Goodson]

Those are hype products meant to take money out of your pocket and put it in the manufactures. Trust me on this. I hate to admit it, but a couple of years ago I bought a bottle of terpinator and it wasn't worth a fuck. Owner of the hydro store let me get it for like $10 or some shit. I ran it in both organic soil and hydro and was not impressed at all.

You dont need all that stuff for really good weed. Just grow a healthy plant and let it fully ripen. That's when you will get the best flavors and aromas.

 

[Dankeh_fever]

Molasses isn't inorganic. And the point of organics is to feed the microherd in the soil so that the microbes shit out what the plants take up. I know what I'm doing.

Your understanding is faulty. The goal is to create a vibrant, diverse and robust microherd. A continuous supply of sugar and potassium creates the flabby colonies that GG alluded to. If creating a vibrant micro herd was as simple as adding molasses everyone who tried would be a successful organic gardener. If your biology is consuming readily available organic compounds (sugars) they are not responding to the exudates directing them to process B or Si or P , etc complexes that the plant is asking for. microbes digesting C are also crapping C.

You dont know what you're talking about.

 

[Olive Drab Green]

Those are hype products meant to take money out of your pocket and put it in the manufactures. Trust me on this. I hate to admit it, but a couple of years ago I bought a bottle of terpinator and it wasn't worth a fuck. Owner of the hydro store let me get it for like $10 or some shit. I ran it in both organic soil and hydro and was not impressed at all.

You dont need all that stuff for really good weed. Just grow a healthy plant and let it fully ripen. That's when you will get the best flavors and aromas.

Alright. Do you think this is good for bloom?

http://drearth.com/products/organic-fertilizers/organic-8-bud-bloom-booster/

 

[Olive Drab Green]

I took Nick Riviera and Dr. Who off of ignore. That new guy can eat a dick, though.

 

[Gary Goodson]

I haven't used flower girl, but I did look into it before. It actually looks like it would be a good organic fertilizer.

 

[tangerinegreen555]

I took Nick Riviera and Dr. Who off of ignore. That new guy can eat a dick, though.

Dr. Who is a pretty smart fellow...would not put him on ignore...

I've used molasses a few times...with marginal results. There's a lot of controversial theories out there. Over time, I've tried many of them.

Just remember, the plant practically grows by itself with a little guidance...

 

[Olive Drab Green]

Dr. Who is a pretty smart fellow...would not put him on ignore...

I've used molasses a few times...with marginal results. There's a lot of controversial theories out there. Over time, I've tried many of them.

Just remember, the plant practically grows by itself with a little guidance...

I don't mind Dr. Who. But he can watch the condescenscion and if he's got something to explain to me, he can do it like he was talking to a colleague, not a child, y'know? We just have differing methods. But I'll probably focus on using my bloom booster from Dr. Earth instead of molasses, since it has organically mined potassium sulfate, and to be truthful, molasses leaves my medium a bit compacted.

 

[tangerinegreen555]

I don't mind Dr. Who. But he can watch the condescenscion and if he's got something to explain to me, he can do it like he was talking to a colleague, not a child, y'know? We just have differing methods. But I'll probably focus on using my bloom booster from Dr. Earth instead of molasses, since it has organically mined potassium sulfate, and to be truthful, molasses leaves my medium a bit compacted.

You can learn from people you may construe as condescending too...

You were in the service, right? Lol.

I never cared as much about attitude as I did about gaining information I could utilize. And like I said...it almost grows be itself. And you can always experiment...they're your plants.

 

[Cx2H]

I don't mind Dr. Who. But he can watch the condescenscion and if he's got something to explain to me, he can do it like he was talking to a colleague, not a child, y'know? We just have differing methods. But I'll probably focus on using my bloom booster from Dr. Earth instead of molasses, since it has organically mined potassium sulfate, and to be truthful, molasses leaves my medium a bit compacted.

#NoDisrespect
I agree with Tangie when I first came across him Dr.W he was pretentious, but on the other side he knows his sheet when he focuses on the issue and not the person or lack of reading details of said persons post before ranting.. SO I have gotten used to a little fire from him. is what it is.

 

[BarnBuster]

I always thought Doc knew his stuff as well.

 

[Olive Drab Green]

I always thought Doc knew his stuff as well.

Most people I talk to think that he doesn't grow. Some have apparently caught him in downright lies. I can't speak to that. All I'm saying is, if you want me to listen to the guy, he has to stop being antagonistic. Because he started shit with me over other shit two weeks ago, and I hadn't spoken to him for weeks by then.

And if he's got good information, I'd like to at least see proof of a recent successful grow before I stop what I'm doing when it's working for me. Figuratively speaking. I'm already going to reduce the molasses use.

 

[Cx2H]

Ah yeah well I see what you are saying. I wouldn't change anything you are doing. You are getting positive results with your methods.

I look at what people say and maybe like it? But won't change what I'm doing unless I know 100% it will work in my situation.

Matter of fact I am watching it in a research sense with the molasses method you are doing. To cross ref with research data sets.

 

[Olive Drab Green]

Ah yeah well I see what you are saying. I wouldn't change anything you are doing. You are getting positive results with your methods.

I look at what people say and maybe like it? But won't change what I'm doing unless I know 100% it will work in my situation.

Matter of fact I am watching it in a research sense with the molasses method you are doing. To cross ref with research data sets.

Like I said, if he shows me one successful, recent grow that I can't find a match for using Google Image Search, I might have more respect for what he has to say. But all I know of him is he likes to talk down to people and tell them where they're going so egregiously wrong, but he doesn't share any evidence besides his preferred method that he even knows what's right. Meanwhile, my plants are thriving and doing just fine.