Timber growlight question

[rickymac21]

So I want to start a cabinet grow with some cree cobs. I have no experience with LED growing so hopefully I can get an answer.

The floor space will be 22"x48"
Will be growing true sog

Here are the 2 kits I was looking at, essentially the same only the first one is 100w more. And $100 more.

http://timbergrowlights.com/300-watt-cree-cxb3590-4-cob-kit-meanwell-hlg-power-supply-free-shipping/

http://timbergrowlights.com/200-watt-cree-cxb3590-4-cob-kit-meanwell-hlg-power-supply-free-shipping/


So which of these would be ideal for my floor space? Thank you !!!!

 

[Evil-Mobo]

For the 2x4 I would get the 300 watt kit and you will have a dimmer to dim it down if need be.

Just my $0.02

 

[jeepster1993]

For the 2x4 I would get the 300 watt kit and you will have a dimmer to dim it down if need be.

Just my $0.02

X2
You want somewhere between 40 and 50 watts per square foot.
IMO...

 

[sixstring2112]

How tall is the space?

 

[ruwtz]

I have a pair of the 200w kits over a 3 x 7ft space and they are bang on. Your space is over half the size of mine so I think you would appreciate the 300w kit without noticing that extra $100 after pressing the button on the order. You can't buy dimmable power later, know what I mean?

 

[researching]

Not to steer you away and I am far from an expert, but you can piece that 300w kit together for abt $300.

 

[rickymac21]

I appreciate the feedback. Looks like we're leaning towards 300w.

How tall is the space?

Height space of the room will be roughly 4.5 ft . That is after displacement of nutrient res and flood table. Flood and drain setup. So plenty of head room for sog. The 300w should be able to be set far away enough from the tops without bleaching. I'm assuming this was your concern anyways.

 

[Evil-Mobo]

I appreciate the feedback. Looks like we're leaning towards 300w.


Height space of the room will be roughly 4.5 ft . That is after displacement of nutrient res and flood table. Flood and drain setup. So plenty of head room for sog. The 300w should be able to be set far away enough from the tops without bleaching. I'm assuming this was your concern anyways.

With the dimming function you're golden though if the need to tone it down arises.

 

[DonaldsNugMachine]

They just resell stuff from Jerry. You can get it much cheaper from him. Timber is just basically reselling Jerry's reflectors / other parts and doing some very basic assembly.

Research is right. Parts for that kit only run ~$300. You're spending an extra $200 for them to just plug in some basic wires.

 

[rickymac21]

They just resell stuff from Jerry. You can get it much cheaper from him. Timber is just basically reselling Jerry's reflectors / other parts and doing some very basic assembly.

Research is right. Parts for that kit only run ~$300. You're spending an extra $200 for them to just plug in some basic wires.

I must be looking in the wrong place. Where can I find all the pieces online for cheaper?

 

[rickymac21]

Not to steer you away and I am far from an expert, but you can piece that 300w kit together for abt $300.

Any particular website to get me there? From what I've found previously I would only save about $10. Evidently I'm not looking in the right place. I'd appreciate it

 

[researching]

Kingbrite at alibaba. Not sure what shipping would be, but it would still be below that price for the 300w.

 

[jeepster1993]

alibaba sucks.
Tried to buy a couple of times and have not been happy. Shipping is high, time is long, customs raffling through the box is undesirable. One order never even arrived.
I will spend a bit extra and NOT deal with alibaba.

 

[RainDan]

They just resell stuff from Jerry. You can get it much cheaper from him. Timber is just basically reselling Jerry's reflectors / other parts and doing some very basic assembly.

Research is right. Parts for that kit only run ~$300. You're spending an extra $200 for them to just plug in some basic wires.

Hello @DonaldsNugMachine

I saw your post and have to caution you on your disemination of incorrect facts.

We are not resellers of Jerry from Kingbrite. We do not use Jerry's reflectors - all of our optics come directly from the LEDIL factory in Finland.

We only use Cooliance heat sinks - they are custom drilled and tapped for us by the manufacturer.

We get our Meanwell power supplies through a master distributor in America, and our Cree COBs generally come direct from the manufacturer.

Your "markup" calculation is very incorrect and wildly inaccurate - I will not comment further on that.

Please do not post things which are untrue as they are misleading to people who are looking for knowledge, not only about Timber products, but LEDs in general. It is a very fast moving industry and the subject matter can be confusing - proliferation of lies/incorrect information helps no one.

Regards,

Dan
Timber Grow Lights
www.timbergrowlights.com

 

[researching]

alibaba sucks.
Tried to buy a couple of times and have not been happy. Shipping is high, time is long, customs raffling through the box is undesirable. One order never even arrived.
I will spend a bit extra and NOT deal with alibaba.

Too bad you had the bad experience. There are a lot of vendors there and I can definitely see the possibility of a bad experience. Yes shipping is high, paypal fee is 4%, but at the end of the day I got a great price all from one vendor. Instantaneous suoport via chat when needed, and got all my items ridiculously fast. I ordered at 12:30 am last friday, and dhl was at my door at 1:00 pm on monday. Thats faster than most any place I have ordered from here.

I was hesitant at first, but through research I was LED in the right direction and am pleased. Sorry had to go with the pun.

 

[slow_grow]

@DonaldsNugMachine - "You're spending an extra $200 for them to just plug in some basic wires." While that estimate is high AND doesn't reflect any of the shipping or logistical nightmares of dealing with alibaba, here is what else comes with some plugging in of wires...

- Properly seating the heatsink on the COB leveraging Arctic 5 thermal paste.
- Shrink wrap water-proofing every major connection.
- Tapping the sinks for flexible mounting options and using a reputable heatsink manufacturer, not some random alibaba vendor pushing clones from inferior materials.
- Consultation with a clearly speaking person whose passionate about what we do.
- A point of contact for any issues for years to come.

Really? You'd forgo all of that to save a few bucks and still be left wondering if those heatsinks were seated properly with nobody to call?

 

[ruwtz]

@DonaldsNugMachine - "You're spending an extra $200 for them to just plug in some basic wires." While that estimate is high AND doesn't reflect any of the shipping or logistical nightmares of dealing with alibaba, here is what else comes with some plugging in of wires...

- Properly seating the heatsink on the COB leveraging Arctic 5 thermal paste.
- Shrink wrap water-proofing every major connection.
- Tapping the sinks for flexible mounting options and using a reputable heatsink manufacturer, not some random alibaba vendor pushing clones from inferior materials.
- Consultation with a clearly speaking person whose passionate about what we do.
- A point of contact for any issues for years to come.

Really? You'd forgo all of that to save a few bucks and still be left wondering if those heatsinks were seated properly with nobody to call?

You forgot excellent customer service and delivery turnaround. I spoke with Dan several times as I had specific needs and nothing was too much to ask. I was also cheeky enough to ask for a discount and they really hooked me up.

Not to mention the quality bespoke frames they built for me. Would've taken me some time to cut all that angle and tap the holes and mounting points, all of which were threaded. I'm a DIY guy but I don't have the bits to thread like this.

 

[researching]

@DonaldsNugMachine - "You're spending an extra $200 for them to just plug in some basic wires." While that estimate is high AND doesn't reflect any of the shipping or logistical nightmares of dealing with alibaba, here is what else comes with some plugging in of wires...

- Properly seating the heatsink on the COB leveraging Arctic 5 thermal paste.
- Shrink wrap water-proofing every major connection.
- Tapping the sinks for flexible mounting options and using a reputable heatsink manufacturer, not some random alibaba vendor pushing clones from inferior materials.
- Consultation with a clearly speaking person whose passionate about what we do.
- A point of contact for any issues for years to come.

Really? You'd forgo all of that to save a few bucks and still be left wondering if those heatsinks were seated properly with nobody to call?

You make some valid points there. However a lot of people doing the diy have a lot of resources at their disposal to troubleshoot other than the vendor.

I would hazard a guess that most people that even are doing DIY have some semblance of independence and figuring things out for themselves. One of the key points of DIY is saving money.

All of the things you mention that are done before you get it can easily be done by the end user. I am in no means knocking the product and what Dan offers. My point is that if someone has the confidence to tackle a diy, then they have the confidence to do the other things you have mentioned are already done.

I will give a tip of the hat to your mention of great service. That is not so common nowadays.

I can say in relation to that, that my correspondence with kingbrite was via chat which I prefer and all questions were answered promptly in perfect written english, and I was able to receive photos, and files instantaneously. Honestly the best experience I have had. And I have received service after the sale as well.

Kits like this definitely have there place and for me the advantage would be time savings. I am sure though for a lot of us, it is the process and going from beginning to end is where the satisfaction lies. Everything you put more into, you seem to get more out of. At least in satisfaction.

 

[doz]

Hello @DonaldsNugMachine

I saw your post and have to caution you on your disemination of incorrect facts.

We are not resellers of Jerry from Kingbrite. We do not use Jerry's reflectors - all of our optics come directly from the LEDIL factory in Finland.

We only use Cooliance heat sinks - they are custom drilled and tapped for us by the manufacturer.

We get our Meanwell power supplies through a master distributor in America, and our Cree COBs generally come direct from the manufacturer.

Your "markup" calculation is very incorrect and wildly inaccurate - I will not comment further on that.

Please do not post things which are untrue as they are misleading to people who are looking for knowledge, not only about Timber products, but LEDs in general. It is a very fast moving industry and the subject matter can be confusing - proliferation of lies/incorrect information helps no one.

Regards,

Dan
Timber Grow Lights
www.timbergrowlights.com

No offense, but since you decided to bring it up, I will comment.

You sell your 200w 2 COB light for $550 shipped. I can source all the same parts SHIPPED to me for $250 and I do not buy in bulk. Now, you have build time and you ship for free plus you must warranty all your work. But, considering you will get things a bit cheaper, we can throw out the "free shipping" as a bonus. Now you are down to build time, warranty work, and other overhead costs. Im sorry, but $300 for all of that? Your build time (if you put them together yourself) is probably 2 hours, if that. But lets just call it 4 @ $40 an hour (fair for an electrician). Thats only $80 in costs. Now we are at $220 profit (if not more) - $20 per unit for warranty. $200 profit per unit is pretty accurate I would venture to guess (Because lets be honest, you do not have much overhead and even if you did, you are still making an EASY 25-35% profit per unit far more than a typical business). Nothing wrong with a company making money, but dont come on here and pretend that you arent making much and we do not know what we are talking about around here.

 

[ruwtz]

No offense, but since you decided to bring it up, I will comment.

You sell your 200w 2 COB light for $550 shipped. I can source all the same parts SHIPPED to me for $250 and I do not buy in bulk. Now, you have build time and you ship for free plus you must warranty all your work. But, considering you will get things a bit cheaper, we can throw out the "free shipping" as a bonus. Now you are down to build time, warranty work, and other overhead costs. Im sorry, but $300 for all of that? Your build time (if you put them together yourself) is probably 2 hours, if that. But lets just call it 4 @ $40 an hour (fair for an electrician). Thats only $80 in costs. Now we are at $220 profit (if not more) - $20 per unit for warranty. $200 profit per unit is pretty accurate I would venture to guess (Because lets be honest, you do not have much overhead and even if you did, you are still making an EASY 25-35% profit per unit far more than a typical business). Nothing wrong with a company making money, but dont come on here and pretend that you arent making much and we do not know what we are talking about around here.

2 cob kit for $550? Link?