medicineman
New Member
Bush pardened himself and all his cabinet within the last bill passed by an impotent congress for all wrong doings past present and future. The only way to prosecute these villans will be a criminal court or the hague.
Susan Estrich Blows The Rigged Election Wide Open
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smokedoper
Active Member
Really, you disagree with something some one says and you resort to insults. And a Republic makes laws to benefit the people of said nation. Since 9/11 there have been more laws that take away your rights and freedoms. So much so the ACLU has filed lawsuits on your behalf saying that they are unconstitutional. The Patriot Act, FISA, all the other laws that add to those two. Yes Congress might make laws, but aren't we the ones the laws are suppose to help and protect? When the law enforcement community can arrest you and hold you indefinitely under The Patriot Act without allowing you to call or hire an attorney. When they can listen to all your phone calls under FISA without warrants. You still think you have the rights and freedoms of pre 9/11!?!
Yes at one time we were a Republic with laws that helped and protected the citizens. But post 9/11 the laws are slowly eroding your civil/constitutional rights that soldiers have fought and died over in multiple wars. I'm not including Iraq, Vietnam (Called a Police Action, but not by soldiers).
And the Democratic Congress are allowing all of Bushes policies to pass without any debate. So they are actually helping to get rid of your rights and freedoms that the Constitution, Bill of Rights, etc., allow.
The only way to get these rights and freedoms back is complain to your Congressmen and Women. Also complain to the President. And before you say, that you can't complain to the president. It happens every four years, we call it an election. Vote the people out of office, don't donate to their campaigns and this will be more of a complaint to them than you think.
And since you want to resort to insults I have something that I have to ask. Did your parents not raise you with any manners? Did they not raise you with any decorum of humanity?
If you think this is still a Republic go to this website and read The Patriot Act and all laws made to enforce it more. Also read FISA and all laws related to it and their enforcement. THOMAS (Library of Congress)
mockingbird131313
Well-Known Member
smokedoper,
Whether you agree or disagree with the workings of our government is NOT the point. Our form of government is a republic. It is not a democracy. It is not a theocracy. A republic is what it is called by the government documents. That is what it appears to be. It is in fact a republic. This is not a debatable point. To suggest otherwise, when polite evidence was offered, would make you seem foolish.
MB
Whether you agree or disagree with the workings of our government is NOT the point. Our form of government is a republic. It is not a democracy. It is not a theocracy. A republic is what it is called by the government documents. That is what it appears to be. It is in fact a republic. This is not a debatable point. To suggest otherwise, when polite evidence was offered, would make you seem foolish.
MB
VTXDave
Well-Known Member
Although I would not necessarily argue your point, I would beg you to expound on why you feel that Congress' purpose is to "aid" the people. I am of the belief that the purpose of Congress is to ensure the "freedom" of the people. I don't argue that we have lost sight of what a republic truly means, but what are your designs to bring us back to the Constitution? I try to be optimistic, but I'm afraid we are heading for either a fascist state or revolution. For the moment, I will vote for representatives with records that are proven to uphold the Constitution and not "the lesser of two evils". Will you vote in this upcoming election?... a republic ... yes ... but also a dying one ... turning into a fascist state ... the congress is suppose to uphold the constitution yet they don't ... that's why they passed all the legislation you mention ... congress purpose was to make laws to aid the people ... now they make laws to protect war criminals and dismiss war crimes not to mention the rest of their criminal behavior ... long live the republic?
GrowRebel
Well-Known Member
Since the elite and neocons are spending money to suppress the vote I will definitely be voting ... I don't like the choices from the two corrupted parties for pres ... I will probably vote for the dem running for congress ... and vote indy for pres ...
... by aiding the people I feel congress can do certain things to help the working class ... and keep corporations from exploiting the people ... instead they do the opposite ...
... what I would like to see done is getting corporations out of the voting process ... make it civil servants that do hand ballot counts ... if they can do it in other counties ... we can do it here too ... get rid of the dim leadership and get some fresh dems in power to do what they were elected to do ... until we can get open verifiable elections with no secret counting of ballots by corporations with a vested interested in the winner ... we will have to continue to deal with crime and corruption ... or have a revolution ...
... I share your fear ... we are indeed headed towards a fascist state ... in fact I think we are pretty much there ...
... by aiding the people I feel congress can do certain things to help the working class ... and keep corporations from exploiting the people ... instead they do the opposite ...
... what I would like to see done is getting corporations out of the voting process ... make it civil servants that do hand ballot counts ... if they can do it in other counties ... we can do it here too ... get rid of the dim leadership and get some fresh dems in power to do what they were elected to do ... until we can get open verifiable elections with no secret counting of ballots by corporations with a vested interested in the winner ... we will have to continue to deal with crime and corruption ... or have a revolution ...
... I share your fear ... we are indeed headed towards a fascist state ... in fact I think we are pretty much there ...
GrowRebel
Well-Known Member
Check it ...
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Cybersecurity_expert_raises_allegations_of_2004_0717.html[URL="http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Cybersecurity_expert_raises_allegations_of_2004_0717.html"]GOP cyber-security expert suggests Diebold tampered with 2002 election[/url]
Spoonamore received the Diebold patch from a whistleblower close to the office of Cathy Cox, Georgia's then-Secretary of State. In discussions with RAW STORY, the whistleblower -- who wishes to remain anonymous for fear of retaliation -- said that he became suspicious of Diebold's actions in Georgia for two reasons. The first red flag went up when the computer patch was installed in person by Diebold CEO Bob Urosevich, who flew in from Texas and applied it in just two counties, DeKalb and Fulton, both Democratic strongholds. The source states that Cox was not privy to these changes until after the election and that she became particularly concerned over the patch being installed in just those two counties.
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Cybersecurity_expert_raises_allegations_of_2004_0717.html[URL="http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Cybersecurity_expert_raises_allegations_of_2004_0717.html"]GOP cyber-security expert suggests Diebold tampered with 2002 election[/url]
Spoonamore received the Diebold patch from a whistleblower close to the office of Cathy Cox, Georgia's then-Secretary of State. In discussions with RAW STORY, the whistleblower -- who wishes to remain anonymous for fear of retaliation -- said that he became suspicious of Diebold's actions in Georgia for two reasons. The first red flag went up when the computer patch was installed in person by Diebold CEO Bob Urosevich, who flew in from Texas and applied it in just two counties, DeKalb and Fulton, both Democratic strongholds. The source states that Cox was not privy to these changes until after the election and that she became particularly concerned over the patch being installed in just those two counties.
GrowRebel
Well-Known Member
[URL="http://www.opednews.com/articles/Ohio-Attorney-Files-Motion-by-steveheller-080718-804.html"]GOP whistleblower names Karl Rove in Ohio's 04 election theft[/url]
"This entire system is being programmed in secret by programmers who have no oversight by anybody," the expert charged, as Arnebeck detailed allegations of complicity by a number of powerful GOP operatives and companies who had unique access both to the election results as reported in 2004, as well as to U.S. House and Senate computer networks even today.
"This entire system is being programmed in secret by programmers who have no oversight by anybody," the expert charged, as Arnebeck detailed allegations of complicity by a number of powerful GOP operatives and companies who had unique access both to the election results as reported in 2004, as well as to U.S. House and Senate computer networks even today.
GrowRebel
Well-Known Member
Face it ... the election system is skewed ...
http://www.alternet.org/story/16474The Theft of Your Vote Is Just a Chip Away
Are computerized voting machines a wide-open back door to massive voting fraud? A growing number of Americans are saying our votes are too sacred to reside only on computer chips.
http://www.alternet.org/story/16474The Theft of Your Vote Is Just a Chip Away
Are computerized voting machines a wide-open back door to massive voting fraud? A growing number of Americans are saying our votes are too sacred to reside only on computer chips.
GrowRebel
Well-Known Member
There have been several reports of election fraud and cracked voting machines ... this is the first chance I've had to post them ... definitely going to be some fraud this election ...
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/08/21/ohio_voting_machines_contained.htmlOhio Voting Machines Contained Programming Error That Dropped Votes
A voting system used in 34 states contains a critical programming error that can cause votes to be dropped while being electronically transferred from memory cards to a central tallying point, the manufacturer acknowledges.
The problem was identified after complaints from Ohio elections officials following the March primary there, but the logic error that is the root of the problem has been part of the software for 10 years, said Chris Riggall, a spokesman for Premier Election Solutions, formerly known as Diebold.
"...but the logic error that is the root of the problem has been part of the software for 10 years"
I challenge all those lawyers who were working so hard to prove that Obama was not eligible for the Presidency (for the good of the people) to prove that We The People are not legally liable to pay the bills for all the mistakes made by the government for the last ten years, since it cannot be proved they had the legal authority to make those decisions on our behalf.
Seven Ways Your Vote Might Not Count This November
Voter Purges
Unprocessed Voter Registrations
Obstacles to Student Voting
Voting Machine Allocations
Poll Worker Shortages
Partisan Voter Challenges
Early Voting/Absentee Ballot Problems
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080821/ap_on_re_us/voting_machines_4Company acknowledges voting machine error
A major voting machine maker has cautioned its customers in 34 states to look out for a programming error that may cause votes to be dropped.
You're telling me that the country that put men in the Moon and the company that makes ATM machines that never lose a penny from one end of the country to another cannot make an honest, accurate, fair, and tamper proof voting system?
I don't buy it.
http://mparent7777-1.livejournal.com/1395273.htmlElections 2008: Voting machine companies will be COUNTING the vote
As we approach the 2008 general election, the structure of elections in the United States once reliant on local representatives accountable to the public has become almost wholly dependent on large corporations, which are not accountable to the public.
http://tvnewslies.org/tvnl/index.php/editorial/jesse-richards-commentary/3627-election-fraud-is-not-the-real-problem-the-entire-system-is-corrupt.htmlElection Fraud is NOT the Real Problem - The Entire System is Corrupt!
I am tired of hearing pathetic Democrats cry about stolen elections. Fine...it has been proven that George W. Bush and his handlers stole the last two presidential elections. The evidence is voluminous. The fact is that we have been living under the rule of enemies domestic for almost eight years and Congress, along with our military, have allowed these enemies of the state to remain in control of our government. Doesn't that tell you something? Don't you see a larger problem here?
... plenty of dummies out there still denying the FACTS ... of course the Columbus Dispatch when out of their way to ignore the facts ...
http://www.freepress.org/columns/display/3/2008/167004 Election Apologists Still Unmoved By Mountain of Evidence: Columbus Dispatch Ignores Facts
Columbus Dispatch articles explaining the 2004 election irregularities all embrace the same formula: ignore the more than 1000 signed affidavits and sworn testimonies of disenfranchised voters; rely only on the word of OSU Law Professor Dan Tokaji who has no background in statistical analysis and who always tells the Dispatch whatever they want to hear; and then apologize for former Ohio Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell and fail to mention what is routinely reported in every other major newspaper in the state of Ohio.
"You will believe the elections are honest and fair.
You will believe the elections are honest and fair.
You will believe the elections are honest and fair.
You will believe the elections are honest and fair." -- ABCNNBBCBS
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/08/16/eveningnews/main4355733.shtmlVoting Machine Doubts Linger
Four of of ten American voters will be casting ballots this November on equipment that's different from what they used in 2004.
One reason is the doubts raised about ATM-syle electronic touch-screen machines, which have prompted half a dozen states to turn them off and turn back to paper ballots.
Unfortunately those paper ballots are counted by electronic machines subject to tampering and fraud.
I mean, here we are, the nation that put men on the Moon, with ATM machines that do not lose a penny from one end of the nation to another, and we cannot come up with an accurate and honest elections system?
I don't buy that.
http://www.alternet.org/democracy/94977/More vote fraud in Ohio?
In 2004, election integrity activists challenged the results of Ohio's presidential election before the Ohio Supreme Court, and convinced Rep. Stephanie Tubbs-Jones (D-OH) and Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-CA) to challenge the state's Electoral College vote before a joint session of Congress. The reaction by Ohio's then Republican-controlled Legislature was to enact a series of election reforms that punished likely Democratic voters. Some of the laws adopted were later thrown out in court, such as penalizing voter registration drives.
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6214Rove Threatened GOP IT Guru If He Does Not 'Take the Fall' for Election Fraud in Ohio, Says Attorney
Karl Rove has threatened a GOP high-tech guru and his wife, if he does not "'take the fall' for election fraud in Ohio," according to a letter sent this morning to Attorney General Michael Mukasey, by Ohio election attorney Cliff Arnebeck.
See ... I told you there was a lot of news on the election fraud front ... remember ... it's up to you to get out and vote ... no matter who it is you plan to vote for ... don't let the Nazis win ... they want to suppress the vote ... don't make it easy for them!
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/08/21/ohio_voting_machines_contained.htmlOhio Voting Machines Contained Programming Error That Dropped Votes
A voting system used in 34 states contains a critical programming error that can cause votes to be dropped while being electronically transferred from memory cards to a central tallying point, the manufacturer acknowledges.
The problem was identified after complaints from Ohio elections officials following the March primary there, but the logic error that is the root of the problem has been part of the software for 10 years, said Chris Riggall, a spokesman for Premier Election Solutions, formerly known as Diebold.
"...but the logic error that is the root of the problem has been part of the software for 10 years"
I challenge all those lawyers who were working so hard to prove that Obama was not eligible for the Presidency (for the good of the people) to prove that We The People are not legally liable to pay the bills for all the mistakes made by the government for the last ten years, since it cannot be proved they had the legal authority to make those decisions on our behalf.
Seven Ways Your Vote Might Not Count This November
Voter Purges
Unprocessed Voter Registrations
Obstacles to Student Voting
Voting Machine Allocations
Poll Worker Shortages
Partisan Voter Challenges
Early Voting/Absentee Ballot Problems
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080821/ap_on_re_us/voting_machines_4Company acknowledges voting machine error
A major voting machine maker has cautioned its customers in 34 states to look out for a programming error that may cause votes to be dropped.
You're telling me that the country that put men in the Moon and the company that makes ATM machines that never lose a penny from one end of the country to another cannot make an honest, accurate, fair, and tamper proof voting system?
I don't buy it.
http://mparent7777-1.livejournal.com/1395273.htmlElections 2008: Voting machine companies will be COUNTING the vote
As we approach the 2008 general election, the structure of elections in the United States once reliant on local representatives accountable to the public has become almost wholly dependent on large corporations, which are not accountable to the public.
http://tvnewslies.org/tvnl/index.php/editorial/jesse-richards-commentary/3627-election-fraud-is-not-the-real-problem-the-entire-system-is-corrupt.htmlElection Fraud is NOT the Real Problem - The Entire System is Corrupt!
I am tired of hearing pathetic Democrats cry about stolen elections. Fine...it has been proven that George W. Bush and his handlers stole the last two presidential elections. The evidence is voluminous. The fact is that we have been living under the rule of enemies domestic for almost eight years and Congress, along with our military, have allowed these enemies of the state to remain in control of our government. Doesn't that tell you something? Don't you see a larger problem here?
... plenty of dummies out there still denying the FACTS ... of course the Columbus Dispatch when out of their way to ignore the facts ...
http://www.freepress.org/columns/display/3/2008/167004 Election Apologists Still Unmoved By Mountain of Evidence: Columbus Dispatch Ignores Facts
Columbus Dispatch articles explaining the 2004 election irregularities all embrace the same formula: ignore the more than 1000 signed affidavits and sworn testimonies of disenfranchised voters; rely only on the word of OSU Law Professor Dan Tokaji who has no background in statistical analysis and who always tells the Dispatch whatever they want to hear; and then apologize for former Ohio Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell and fail to mention what is routinely reported in every other major newspaper in the state of Ohio.
"You will believe the elections are honest and fair.
You will believe the elections are honest and fair.
You will believe the elections are honest and fair.
You will believe the elections are honest and fair." -- ABCNNBBCBS
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/08/16/eveningnews/main4355733.shtmlVoting Machine Doubts Linger
Four of of ten American voters will be casting ballots this November on equipment that's different from what they used in 2004.
One reason is the doubts raised about ATM-syle electronic touch-screen machines, which have prompted half a dozen states to turn them off and turn back to paper ballots.
Unfortunately those paper ballots are counted by electronic machines subject to tampering and fraud.
I mean, here we are, the nation that put men on the Moon, with ATM machines that do not lose a penny from one end of the nation to another, and we cannot come up with an accurate and honest elections system?
I don't buy that.
http://www.alternet.org/democracy/94977/More vote fraud in Ohio?
In 2004, election integrity activists challenged the results of Ohio's presidential election before the Ohio Supreme Court, and convinced Rep. Stephanie Tubbs-Jones (D-OH) and Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-CA) to challenge the state's Electoral College vote before a joint session of Congress. The reaction by Ohio's then Republican-controlled Legislature was to enact a series of election reforms that punished likely Democratic voters. Some of the laws adopted were later thrown out in court, such as penalizing voter registration drives.
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6214Rove Threatened GOP IT Guru If He Does Not 'Take the Fall' for Election Fraud in Ohio, Says Attorney
Karl Rove has threatened a GOP high-tech guru and his wife, if he does not "'take the fall' for election fraud in Ohio," according to a letter sent this morning to Attorney General Michael Mukasey, by Ohio election attorney Cliff Arnebeck.
See ... I told you there was a lot of news on the election fraud front ... remember ... it's up to you to get out and vote ... no matter who it is you plan to vote for ... don't let the Nazis win ... they want to suppress the vote ... don't make it easy for them!
GrowRebel
Well-Known Member
Well folks the repukes are in full gear to steal the election ... as you know Ohio is a key state ... check out this report ...
http://www.miller-mccune.com/article/662Nearly 600,000 Subject to Possible Caging in Ohio
How many voter-registration mass mailers are "returned to sender" in the run-up to Election Day may determine how many Ohio residents are eligible to vote.
... and then there is this ... purging voters another repukes method to steal the election ... remember folks if there is a 10 point spread between the two means the repukes can easily steal the election... if it is that close it would be a major reflection of the stupidity of americans
http://www.alternet.org/democracy/92695Three States Accused of Illegally Purging Voter Lists
Election officials in a handful of states appear to be ignoring the federal law dictating the way registered voters may be purged from voter rolls, civil rights attorneys say.
National voting rights groups have contacted officials in Kansas, Michigan and Louisiana in recent weeks because those states appear to be purging registered voters after election officials found duplicate names and birthdays of people on their voter lists and in out-of-state databases, such as driver's license records.
Lot's of voter supression going on by the repukes ... lots ...
http://www.velvetrevolution.us/electionstrikeforce/2008/09/registrar_of_montgomery_county.htmlRegistrar of Montgomery County, Virginia Issues 'Unsubstantiated' and 'Chilling' Warning to College Students
This looks like a clear case of voter suppression (younger voters tend to vote Democratic). The info about the IRS deduction is flat out wrong. The claim about the scholarship will vary based on the rules of the scholarship itself, but is probably wrong for the most part. The info about new drivers' licenses only applies to out-of-state students.
http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/97918Election Observer Arrested in Arizona
According to the Election Defense Alliance blog, John Brakey, one of the country's leading election activists known for bring secretive electronic voting into public view, was arrested while observing problems in local elections this week in Pima County, Arizona. The arrest begs the question of whether the same response will be forthcoming against election observers this November. That scenario is hardly moot after the police used excessive force in St. Paul in response to protests and other First Amendment activities at the Republican National Convention.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/08/21/ohio_voting_machines_contained.htmlOhio Voting Machines Contained Programming Error That Dropped Votes
A voting system used in 34 states contains a critical programming error that can cause votes to be dropped while being electronically transferred from memory cards to a central tallying point, the manufacturer acknowledges.
The problem was identified after complaints from Ohio elections officials following the March primary there, but the logic error that is the root of the problem has been part of the software for 10 years, said Chris Riggall, a spokesman for Premier Election Solutions, formerly known as Diebold.
So can you say ... "the fix is in"
Our election system is totally and completely fuck ... what other country would allow their vote to be count in secret then take the word of corporations that have a vested interest who won ... yeah ... americans are pretty damn stupid ...
http://www.miller-mccune.com/article/662Nearly 600,000 Subject to Possible Caging in Ohio
How many voter-registration mass mailers are "returned to sender" in the run-up to Election Day may determine how many Ohio residents are eligible to vote.
... and then there is this ... purging voters another repukes method to steal the election ... remember folks if there is a 10 point spread between the two means the repukes can easily steal the election... if it is that close it would be a major reflection of the stupidity of americans
http://www.alternet.org/democracy/92695Three States Accused of Illegally Purging Voter Lists
Election officials in a handful of states appear to be ignoring the federal law dictating the way registered voters may be purged from voter rolls, civil rights attorneys say.
National voting rights groups have contacted officials in Kansas, Michigan and Louisiana in recent weeks because those states appear to be purging registered voters after election officials found duplicate names and birthdays of people on their voter lists and in out-of-state databases, such as driver's license records.
Lot's of voter supression going on by the repukes ... lots ...
http://www.velvetrevolution.us/electionstrikeforce/2008/09/registrar_of_montgomery_county.htmlRegistrar of Montgomery County, Virginia Issues 'Unsubstantiated' and 'Chilling' Warning to College Students
This looks like a clear case of voter suppression (younger voters tend to vote Democratic). The info about the IRS deduction is flat out wrong. The claim about the scholarship will vary based on the rules of the scholarship itself, but is probably wrong for the most part. The info about new drivers' licenses only applies to out-of-state students.
http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/97918Election Observer Arrested in Arizona
According to the Election Defense Alliance blog, John Brakey, one of the country's leading election activists known for bring secretive electronic voting into public view, was arrested while observing problems in local elections this week in Pima County, Arizona. The arrest begs the question of whether the same response will be forthcoming against election observers this November. That scenario is hardly moot after the police used excessive force in St. Paul in response to protests and other First Amendment activities at the Republican National Convention.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/08/21/ohio_voting_machines_contained.htmlOhio Voting Machines Contained Programming Error That Dropped Votes
A voting system used in 34 states contains a critical programming error that can cause votes to be dropped while being electronically transferred from memory cards to a central tallying point, the manufacturer acknowledges.
The problem was identified after complaints from Ohio elections officials following the March primary there, but the logic error that is the root of the problem has been part of the software for 10 years, said Chris Riggall, a spokesman for Premier Election Solutions, formerly known as Diebold.
So can you say ... "the fix is in"
Our election system is totally and completely fuck ... what other country would allow their vote to be count in secret then take the word of corporations that have a vested interest who won ... yeah ... americans are pretty damn stupid ... wannabe grower
Well-Known Member
Willie, if a man robs a bank of 1 million dollars and gets away, is never caught, and ends up living in comfort the rest of his life, it's like the crime never happened right? By your line of reasoning, unless you see the guy in handcuffs, going to jail, nothing ever happened.
GrowRebel
Well-Known Member
More voters are being suppressed ... looks like the repukes are going to steal another election ...
[URL="http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/newjersey/ny-bc-nj--votingglitch0909sep09,0,2884943.story"]300,000 NJ voters told they're not registered[/url]
Letters have gone out to 300,000 voters in New Jersey saying they're not registered to vote. But in many cases, they are.
[URL="http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/newjersey/ny-bc-nj--votingglitch0909sep09,0,2884943.story"]300,000 NJ voters told they're not registered[/url]
Letters have gone out to 300,000 voters in New Jersey saying they're not registered to vote. But in many cases, they are.
GrowRebel
Well-Known Member
You have to be a complete and total asshole to think McSame can win fair and square ... but since so many accept the fact that the votes are counted in secret and will are to take the word of corporate hacks ... well I guess more people are pretty stupid ... kiss-ass Look for a new illegitimate president in Nov. You think things are fuck now ... just wait ... and no one to blame but american for being so stupid ... and sheep ...
http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/diarypage.php?did=9183[URL="http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/diarypage.php?did=9183"]GOP Targets "Absentee Ballots" in new 'Voter Fraud" push netting the elderly and infirm, the expats, and deployed soldier[/url]
Could it be that the latest incarnation of the ever-evolving GOP voter disenfranchisement scheme has shifted to maintaining the status quo in the overall Democratic voting block? Disenfranchise by ballot access. Offset the new infusion of young Democratic voters with the exclusion of the elderly and infirm?
http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/diarypage.php?did=9183[URL="http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/diarypage.php?did=9183"]GOP Targets "Absentee Ballots" in new 'Voter Fraud" push netting the elderly and infirm, the expats, and deployed soldier[/url]
Could it be that the latest incarnation of the ever-evolving GOP voter disenfranchisement scheme has shifted to maintaining the status quo in the overall Democratic voting block? Disenfranchise by ballot access. Offset the new infusion of young Democratic voters with the exclusion of the elderly and infirm?
GrowRebel
Well-Known Member
How did he come to that conclusion kids at home? That's right ... because he;s a ... good for you!
You see kids people with limited mental capacity thinks it's okay to commit a crime as long as the think "their side" is winning ...
Now more facts on election fraud that is taking place ... the fix is in kids ... the only thing that will stop it is a landslide ... check it ...
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2008/09/09-0Ten Ways the McCain/Palin GOP Is Now Stealing the Ohio Vote
1) Illegal Destruction of Evidence Surrounding the Vote Count
2) Massive Residual Elimination of Registered Voters
3) Renewed Attempts to Eliminate Additional Registered Voters
4-5) Resisting Universal Access to Absentee Ballots While Re-introducing Chaos
6) Resisting Same-Day Registration and Voting
7) The Persistent Spread of Electronic Voting Machines
Residual Chaos From Precinct Elimination and Manipulation
9) Data Mining
10) Expanded Voter Identification Requirements
... good for you! You see kids people with limited mental capacity thinks it's okay to commit a crime as long as the think "their side" is winning ... Now more facts on election fraud that is taking place ... the fix is in kids ... the only thing that will stop it is a landslide ... check it ...
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2008/09/09-0Ten Ways the McCain/Palin GOP Is Now Stealing the Ohio Vote
1) Illegal Destruction of Evidence Surrounding the Vote Count
2) Massive Residual Elimination of Registered Voters
3) Renewed Attempts to Eliminate Additional Registered Voters
4-5) Resisting Universal Access to Absentee Ballots While Re-introducing Chaos
6) Resisting Same-Day Registration and Voting
7) The Persistent Spread of Electronic Voting Machines
Residual Chaos From Precinct Elimination and Manipulation 9) Data Mining
10) Expanded Voter Identification Requirements
GrowRebel
Well-Known Member
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/RFKin2008/129A Message From RFK Jr. on Election Fraud: Don't Let `Em Steal `08!!!
[snip]
Of six million Americans living abroad a constituency known to vote Democratic nearly half either never received their ballots or received them too late because the Pentagon shut down a web site that files overseas registrations.
George W. Bush won New Mexico by 5,988 votes but more than 20,000 ballots there werent properly tallied.
Nationwide, as many as 1 million ballots were spoiled by faulty voting machines.
You might be wondering how irregularities like that happened all over the country. After all, elections are administered by state officials free of partisan influence, right?
Well, allow me to introduce you to a man named Kenneth Blackwell. Hes the former Republican Secretary of State in Ohio the state that, as you surely recall, officially tipped the 2004 election to George W. Bush.
As such, Blackwells job was to administer an impartial election. But he had another portfolio that year Ohio chair of the Bush-Cheney re-election campaign.
They're planning to steal it again folks ... the evidence is clear ... don't let them ... get out and vote ... I will keep you informed of all the evidence of voter suppression and election fraud for as long as necessary ...
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Of six million Americans living abroad a constituency known to vote Democratic nearly half either never received their ballots or received them too late because the Pentagon shut down a web site that files overseas registrations.
George W. Bush won New Mexico by 5,988 votes but more than 20,000 ballots there werent properly tallied.
Nationwide, as many as 1 million ballots were spoiled by faulty voting machines.
You might be wondering how irregularities like that happened all over the country. After all, elections are administered by state officials free of partisan influence, right?
Well, allow me to introduce you to a man named Kenneth Blackwell. Hes the former Republican Secretary of State in Ohio the state that, as you surely recall, officially tipped the 2004 election to George W. Bush.
As such, Blackwells job was to administer an impartial election. But he had another portfolio that year Ohio chair of the Bush-Cheney re-election campaign.
They're planning to steal it again folks ... the evidence is clear ... don't let them ... get out and vote ... I will keep you informed of all the evidence of voter suppression and election fraud for as long as necessary ...
TheBrutalTruth
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Bummer, wanted to see it for myself, though I don't see what the big deal is. Vote fraud has been a problem since the days of Tammany Hall in NYC.
Bummer, wanted to see it for myself, though I don't see what the big deal is. Vote fraud has been a problem since the days of Tammany Hall in NYC.
TheBrutalTruth
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So we haven't really gotten beyond it, and both parties do it.
Bongulator
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There's also no apparent fraud when there's no fraud. Ockham's Razor and all that.