Chunky Stool
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Do you have to trim autos to be single bud plants or does that happen naturally? I'm too cheap to pay for seeds when I've got good mother plants for clones.
How many plants should I keep going to be able to smoke a half ounce a week
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bf80255
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naw its genetic, some have a bunch of colas and grow like bushes and some are single cola dominant and make donkey dicks but its all generally the same growth pattern with slight differences.
HighLowGrow
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They grow in all different ways. A few of mine in lil 1 gallons. Try some out. They are a fun plant to grow.
And some are bitty
I do 8 autos in this 2'x3' tub, under a 600, that produce about a lb in 85 days or so.
purplehays1
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plants is a poor judge its more about space/light. Most people get about .5 gram/watt to start before they really dial in their system/knowledge. This is on a 9ish week cycle with a veg area to prepare the next cycle. so 9 weeks x .5 oz = 4.5 oz, you can pull that will a 400w easily with lots to spare or with a 250w if you do a decent job. I recommend photo period strains, you will need a small veg area with a t5 autos are expensive seeds and harder to produce quality consistently, imho.
Chunky Stool
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That's a good yield for 8 plants! Are you growing in coco or soil? 24/0 light schedule?
HighLowGrow
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Well I'm just doing some breeding. I have 4 plants per 10 gallon tub filled half way up with FFOF. These two tubs are in one bigger tub that is 2'x3'. 24/0 light 600hps. It's 2ozs a plant which isn't huge, but works well for me. It's all mine. Love making bho and ice water hash with all the left over plants.
My stomach is jacked up too. First thing I do in the morning is rip a small dab. Good to go.
What's nice about autos is you can have them all at different stages of life under the same light all the time. This is how they look in the 2'x3' tub. I run a 400 on the left and a 600 on the right depending on what is going on. Fans and lights stay on 24/0. Room is 6x6x6'
It's not hard to do. Make some bho and a little ice water hash and some flower.
whitebb2727
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Just a few. I'm running their skywalkers now along with a dinafem amnesia xxl.
Walterwhiter
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I like the look of Hiesenburg
whitebb2727
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Not true.
I get constant good quality with autos. I grow photo and auto and autos are now just as potent. In the 20% range all day every day.
Yes the seeds are expensive but free if you make them.
Gram per watt is a noob term and means nothing. Its more complicated than that. Furthermore, some just don't care about that.
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HighLowGrow
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Make them. I'm currently breeding. It costs $20 for some TMist. You get 200 to 400 seeds depending. It's easy. I'm pretty medicated ATM. If interested see my sig about the bkr project.
purplehays1
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i cant tell whether you are serious because that plant is def sprouting some serious testicles. Seeds from a herm will have the tendency to herm, thats a fact.....are you using col silver?
How is gram/watt not a good judge of yield? its the best IMO as watts = weight. I can produce a oz or a lb with 1 plant light is the real factor.. I dont doubt ypou can produce quality from autos, im saying its hard to produce consistency and in a consistent timeline. I turn every 9 weeks rain or shine. It is impossible to get the kind of consistency that photos produce with an S1 autoflower you just are working with the genetic gods, where as clones r exactly the same genetic structure.
Anyone hat doesn't care about g/w is probably not pulling much weight from their energy bill
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purplehays1
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cloning is free and gives you 100% consistent genetics,....
whats TMist? That like Colloidal SIlver?
HighLowGrow
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Same thing yes.
whitebb2727
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How long does it take to grow that pound? If I do it in half the time which is better? Its the same gpw.i cant tell whether you are serious because that plant is def sprouting some serious testicles. Seeds from a herm will have the tendency to herm, thats a fact.....are you using col silver?
How is gram/watt not a good judge of yield? its the best IMO as watts = weight. I can produce a oz or a lb with 1 plant light is the real factor.. I dont doubt ypou can produce quality from autos, im saying its hard to produce consistency and in a consistent timeline. I turn every 9 weeks rain or shine. It is impossible to get the kind of consistency that photos produce with an S1 autoflower you just are working with the genetic gods, where as clones r the same dna.
Anyone hat doesn't care about g/w is probably not pulling much weight from their energy bill
It should be grams per kilowatt used.
I use two techniques to get pollen. CS and rodelization (over ripening).
Please stop parroting forum bull shit you have not tested. You ever grow herm seeds? I have. From hermed brick weed to some that I hermed with a light.
A lot of strains available started from herm bag seed.
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Chunky Stool
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Is it true that cloning can suppress the herm tendency?
I read that tidbit in a strain description on breeders boutique.
whitebb2727
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I'm not sure. That is something I haven't tested. I wouldn't think it would. I do however have some landrace sativas that herm only on the lower buds and make a few seeds. I guess it would be possible in that case to clone the upper part of the plant. I have also seen it claimed here by some decent growers that after cloning for a while that they had plants stabilize. I haven't tried it so I cant claim it to be true.
purplehays1
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If you allow a plant to overripe and hermy you are making seeds prone to hermys, sounds like a nightmare.
Taskes me 63 days....9 weeks....every time. You are honestly trying to say your autos finish faster than that? not possible. And even if it was possible you still have to run the lights for CONSIDERABLY longer to get the results assuming u dont run autos 12/12.
And yes, you are right lots of seeds come from herms, THIS IS BAD BREEDING AND WHY WE HAVE SO MANY HERMY PRONE STRAINS!!!!
And i veg under a small t5, so the kilowatt/hr of my veg is almost nothing. The flowering light is the main kilo's and the ratio of watt/killo per gram should be exactly the same ratio as i run the HPS 12 hrs a day every day of the year. If you are running an HPS for 16 or 18 hrs a day (as most do with autos) for 80+ days (auto timeline generally) then you would be using WAY more killo's per cycle than i am even if we are using the same light. This plus the fact that my plants are ready in 2/3 the time (under the HPS) id venture to say g/kilo for photos is 25%+ higher than autos, even with your impressive yield from autos, you just have to have a veg area.
I produce about 1.3g/watt, every 63 days (63 days of 12/12 on 400w HPS) no idea what that equals in kilo's but in a comparison sense the ratios should be equal. whatever 12 hrs of running a HPS costs in kilo for 9 weeks.
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purplehays1
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Ive been growing DNA's Holy Grail Kush and i think this has happened to it. The first cycle from seed was awful, stretchy, bad structure, just all around hard to deal with plant that threw out bananas in week 6-7 of flower. But i had nothing else to run so i cloned the best one of the batch and ran it again. That time the plants seemed much more manageable, less stretch thicker stems better structure, and even seemed to be less finicky with the nutes. She was still a bitch but not nearly as bad as the first run from seed. I have since cloned the clone 2 more times and run them both and it has gotten better and better with each cycle. I had initially thought i was just getting better at dealing with her, but it may have "stabilized" as it has not hermied in 3 runs since and there were no changes made to my system.
PS yes i have grown hermy seeds, i bet these DNA seeds were from a hermy somewhere along the line.
whitebb2727
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Hoe many times have you over ripened a plant? You haven't. You are spewing myth.
You would be surprised at how many strains you can over ripen an get pollen. It is a survival mechanism.
You really don't know that much about cannabis. You read something and then repeat it.
Using CS or over ripening does not cause hermi traits to pass on. CS just blocks the flowering hormone and allows pollen sacs to form.
Gram per watt means nothing as you just admitted so quit saying it. Its grams per kilowatt used.
I don't really care if I run my light longer. I can leave my 432 watt t5 on 20 hours a day for $20 a month. No biggie.
You need to ask @RM3 about true hermies in cannabis.
I'm not trying to say anything except you are spewing myth without any actual hands on experience on the subject. Unless you have over ripened a plant and made seeds then grew them out then you don't know.
I am also saying that autos are bigger and more potent than a few years back. I used to not like them. They are in the 20% thc range now. Not that thc is everything. Lower thc plants can rock you harder sometimes.
I am also saying that some of us personal growers don't really care if we run lights 18 hours a day.
You prefer your way and photos. Cool. I like them to. Here is the thing. Different people like different things.
Op is want to grow autos, no need to spread cannabis forum myth bullshit to change their mind.
purplehays1
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You avoided responding cuz u know you were just talking out your ass....i had already stated my cycle was 9 weeks.
So you produce autos in half that time? You must be the best breeder on earth, please sell the seeds for your 4.5 week wonder plant.
Even if you veg under t5's like me, you are still flowering the same duration under the same power of light FOR MORE HOURS, THUS YOUR G/KILLO WOULD BE LOWER ALL ELSE EQUAL.
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