Late bulking on sativas?

applejuicer10

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Just trying to get a better consensus on when sativa Dom bulking will occur. It's been 57 days (8wk) since I switched to 12/12. Had a calcium deficiency that you corrected.
I've heard some people say my buds will not get larger, others say it will happen in the next few weeks.
Ak48 of 'dubious' genetic origins. (may just be glorified bagseed)
600w hps
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Gquebed

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If it is ak then it is a 8 or 9 week strain. The bulking up should be done already.

But they dont look quite ready to chop yet. Let them ripen up a bit... they may swell a little more.

I know the AK47 very well... these look like they could be legit AK48. If they arent then nothing i have said may be true...lol
 

applejuicer10

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If it is ak then it is a 8 or 9 week strain. The bulking up should be done already.
So I was told it was an AK crossed with an unknown sativa. I've got 3 completely different phenos though lol. The major one that most of the colas are on are the least dense and least smelling. But this small ones rock hard and smells like jet fuel
 

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Gquebed

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So I was told it was an AK crossed with an unknown sativa. I've got 3 completely different phenos though lol. The major one that most of the colas are on are the least dense and least smelling. But this small ones rock hard and smells like jet fuel
Thats pollen chuckers for ya... unstable cross...they need several generations to get consistency
 

OldMedUser

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How much pollen could a pollen chucker chuck, if a pollen chucker could chuck pollen? :lol

I crossed Kali Mist, strong sativa, with NL#5, strong indica, because while the Kali was great for my depression just a little too much gave me heart palpitations and anxiety for the first 20 min or so and kinda harshed my buzz.

The right pheno from that blessed union is the bomb for me! Problem is it takes 12 -14 weeks to get finished to where the trichs are 50/50 clear/cloudy and there are very few white hairs left. One other pheno is very indica and great for bedtime so that's nice too. The 3rd pheno is middle of the road and doesn't do much for me so it gets gifted out to friends.

To try to get that pheno a shorter flowering period I have now crossed my fave with an autoflowering strain called Purple Jem, Mazar x LowRyder. This serves two purposes. Hopefully gets me a quicker version of my fave and lots of autoflower beans for planting outside in the bush next spring. 7th of June for us way up north here is about the earliest we can plant outdoors and have had frost before the end of Aug. so photoperiod plants have been a bust.

To finally get to what you were asking Applejuicer you may or may not see a burst of bud fattening just before she gets ripe. Depends on which genes it has that affect that aspect of that plant's growth. You are best to judge chopping time by using a magnifying glass or scope to get a good look at the trichomes. Jorge Cervantes says in his grow bible that the 50/50 and most hairs gone red is the peak THC time so I pick mine then and have let some go longer until all are cloudy with some amber showing up but it didn't work as well for the depression so I don't do that anymore.

Good luck!

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OldMedUser

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Oh yeah. Those plants look great but way too white and fuzzy to crop for a while yet.

I was using Sensi for veg and Connie for flowering but found that the Connie was feeding too much N in late flowering and burning my girls so just got gallon jugs of the good old 3-part I started using 15 years ago so I can go Lucas formula after the stretch and have better control of the N. Big Bud is all I use for bloom booster but have a small jug of Bud Ignitor on order and should have that Friday so I can do a little experiment. I have 4 - 4month old girls of that cross I talked about in my last post and I'm going to use Big Bud only on two and BB with Ignitor on the other two and see if there's a noticeable difference.

Planting 90 seeds for a SoG project so that should be fun. :)

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Gquebed

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How much pollen could a pollen chucker chuck, if a pollen chucker could chuck pollen? :lol

I crossed Kali Mist, strong sativa, with NL#5, strong indica, because while the Kali was great for my depression just a little too much gave me heart palpitations and anxiety for the first 20 min or so and kinda harshed my buzz.

The right pheno from that blessed union is the bomb for me! Problem is it takes 12 -14 weeks to get finished to where the trichs are 50/50 clear/cloudy and there are very few white hairs left. One other pheno is very indica and great for bedtime so that's nice too. The 3rd pheno is middle of the road and doesn't do much for me so it gets gifted out to friends.

To try to get that pheno a shorter flowering period I have now crossed my fave with an autoflowering strain called Purple Jem, Mazar x LowRyder. This serves two purposes. Hopefully gets me a quicker version of my fave and lots of autoflower beans for planting outside in the bush next spring. 7th of June for us way up north here is about the earliest we can plant outdoors and have had frost before the end of Aug. so photoperiod plants have been a bust.

To finally get to what you were asking Applejuicer you may or may not see a burst of bud fattening just before she gets ripe. Depends on which genes it has that affect that aspect of that plant's growth. You are best to judge chopping time by using a magnifying glass or scope to get a good look at the trichomes. Jorge Cervantes says in his grow bible that the 50/50 and most hairs gone red is the peak THC time so I pick mine then and have let some go longer until all are cloudy with some amber showing up but it didn't work as well for the depression so I don't do that anymore.

Good luck!

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Your problem there might have been with the NL part. I run that strain regularly and i have waited up to 12 weeks for the trichs to start turning. They never really did and its supposed to be an 8 week finisher. Some got cloudy but...the rest stayed clear.

Anyway... i discovered that it really didnt matter much, to me anyway. Just out of curiosity, the last time i ran it i took tester buds at 3 weeks, 5 weeks, 7, 9 and 11. I could tell the difference in potency or the type of buzz. It hit just as hard in week 3 as it did i week 11.

Anyway...probably the NL held up the sativa from turning.
 

OldMedUser

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Thanks for your input but I have to respectively disagree. The Kali on it's own took a full 14 weeks and the NL was 8-9 so the longer flowering one is obviously like that from the sativa influence.

I'm no geneticist but have studied the subject enough to be comfortable with the basics of breeding for wanted traits.

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Gquebed

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Thanks for your input but I have to respectively disagree. The Kali on it's own took a full 14 weeks and the NL was 8-9 so the longer flowering one is obviously like that from the sativa influence.

I'm no geneticist but have studied the subject enough to be comfortable with the basics of breeding for wanted traits.

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I think youre missing my point. Sativas generally take longer to turn, but i have never run across one that didnt turn.

Thats what makes the NL so unusual. Its an indica and indica trichs usually turn in 8/9 weeks. But after growing various NL strains for many years i have yet to see a healthy one turn at all, well inside of 12 weeks that is.

Wierd for an indica. Thats all i was saying....
 

Dr. Who

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WOW...what a thread - lol..

@applejuicer10

That was crossed with a landrace or a full term pure sativa! That thing is going another 4 weeks for sure!
I suggest you STOP the MOAB now!!! it ain't doing shit for them at this point and the PK levels are simply going to turn the plant yellow and fry it!

MOAB will not make it finish any faster! Does more harm then good (unless you really know how to use it.).....
 

OldMedUser

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I think youre missing my point. Sativas generally take longer to turn, but i have never run across one that didnt turn.

Thats what makes the NL so unusual. Its an indica and indica trichs usually turn in 8/9 weeks. But after growing various NL strains for many years i have yet to see a healthy one turn at all, well inside of 12 weeks that is.

Wierd for an indica. Thats all i was saying....
Are you talking about trichs turning amber?

I never wait for amber if that's it. Takes weeks longer than what I want. When they are half clear, half cloudy there is usually a few amber trichs scattered amongst the rest but not many.

The colas are as fat as they will get before amber shows up in any amount and amber indicates that THC is breaking down to CBN which has little medicinal value in comparison to more THC.

If amber isn't the subject then please disregard this post. :)

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Gquebed

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Are you talking about trichs turning amber?

I never wait for amber if that's it. Takes weeks longer than what I want. When they are half clear, half cloudy there is usually a few amber trichs scattered amongst the rest but not many.

The colas are as fat as they will get before amber shows up in any amount and amber indicates that THC is breaking down to CBN which has little medicinal value in comparison to more THC.

If amber isn't the subject then please disregard this post. :)

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Exactly my thoughts. I dont wait either...
 

RM3

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The colas are as fat as they will get before amber shows up in any amount and amber indicates that THC is breaking down to CBN which has little medicinal value in comparison to more THC.
Someday the world will learn the truth bout this, what you are describing is ,,,

clear, cloudy, brown

True amber goes ,,,

yellow, amber, red, black

The word amber was never used in the report that this nonsense was based on
 
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