Best commercial LED/COB is ?

[Hybridway]

3500k cobs are full spectrum, meaning they cover all the same colors as those tiny 3 and 5w chips do.unless those lil chips are below 400nm and above 700nm its a waste of driver power.
900w of cobs spaced over 3 x3 area or 4x4 area will emit light deeper in the canopy than 900w of cobs clustered on a 18" x 24" frame.its simple physics.unless of course your canopy is only 18in x 24in then by all means cluster those cobs lol

Check out the spectrum on my Amares. You'll see that 35k is not quite as full spectrum as you think in comparison. You know me Six, I'll be doing a grow with it to show results too. Pretty sure there's UV diodes but not sure. There is IR though. I'll check n lyk. Still haven't plugged this monster in yet.
5K is the closest K-Temp to mimicing the sun & being full spectrum. Amare filled the gaps in that & punched it up w/ 630's for flower.

 

[sixstring2112]

Well if it does have uv and ir then thats a good thing.i just see some china panels toss some nifty red and blue diodes around a older cob and call it the whip,this is why i was asking for specific information on par,chip,and spectrum info from you a few weeks ago.people dont want to just take someones word for it,we want the hard data.so dont be so offended when somebof us keep asking the same questions about amare.its when you take it so personal that some start to wonder if your not just pitching a sale lol.
I do want to see your tests and par reports and hopefully smo is building you a decent diy cob setup to compare against and not some over driven shitzen panel with all the wrong drivers and heatsinking lmao.i know he aint doin that,just gotta make sure you compare apples n apples

 

[Hybridway]

Well if it does have uv and ir then thats a good thing.i just see some china panels toss some nifty red and blue diodes around a older cob and call it the whip,this is why i was asking for specific information on par,chip,and spectrum info from you a few weeks ago.people dont want to just take someones word for it,we want the hard data.so dont be so offended when somebof us keep asking the same questions about amare.its when you take it so personal that some start to wonder if your not just pitching a sale lol.
I do want to see your tests and par reports and hopefully smo is building you a decent diy cob setup to compare against and not some over driven shitzen panel with all the wrong drivers and heatsinking lmao.i know he aint doin that,just gotta make sure you compare apples n apples

Not sure what other data I could share beyond what I have already?
For me, there's nothing to compare. When I do the vs. cob test, it will be for others. I'll need dead even plants for that one so have to prepare in veg.
I'll be doing another grow journal though & will have the DIY cobs.

 

[mypassion]

Check out the spectrum on my Amares. You'll see that 35k is not quite as full spectrum as you think in comparison. You know me Six, I'll be doing a grow with it to show results too. Pretty sure there's UV diodes but not sure. There is IR though. I'll check n lyk. Still haven't plugged this monster in yet.
5K is the closest K-Temp to mimicing the sun & being full spectrum. Amare filled the gaps in that & punched it up w/ 630's for flower.

It has UV. And amare prides more in the diode clusters then the cobs. They are focussing mostly on delivering a spectrum near our sun at a max possible CRI. The cobs ar for deep penetration and mb for a wider covering area.
Why didn't you go with the IC?

 

[CobKits]

maybe link up a spec sheet on that, because im not seeing anything in the UVA or UVB or IR ranges from the few sites on the web with info. does amare even have a website? cant seem to find one

https://www.ledgrowlightsdepot.com/products/amare-solarpro-sp900
https://growlightcentral.com/products/amare-solarpro-900-cob-led-grow-light

there is some IR (>700 nm), bout about the same as a 90 cri cob
i see zero UV (<400 nm). there is a 430 nm peak from the blue leds but no UV at all

not much advantage over a 3000k or 3500k 90 cri cob- i just see lots of extra green in there

 

[Hybridway]

It has UV. And amare prides more in the diode clusters then the cobs. They are focussing mostly on delivering a spectrum near our sun at a max possible CRI. The cobs ar for deep penetration and mb for a wider covering area.
Why didn't you go with the IC?

You're absolutely right pizzon. It's more about the spectrum. All top components are a given. Hence the high par #'s with the sun mimicing spectrum. High par w/ a shot Burple spectrum ain't helpin. So, there's allot more to it then par. Also more to it then common beliefs. All that green is what allows for further penetration. Plus gaps are filled that cobs just fall short on.
Didn't get the IC cuz I don't think I'll need it yet & trying to minimize ducting in the new opp.
If I had a Wharehouse setting like my friends then I'd get a bunch of Pro-9's IC.
Dying to get this baby hanging & in use.

 

[MeGaKiLlErMaN]

Be careful who you recommend - the first vendor you mention isn't a site sponsor and was found to not have the industry safety certifications that the vendor was claiming to have.

If safety is one of your concerns, make sure you check the vendors' claims and do your research before you buy.

I get you have issues with the guy but its sometimes best to just leave it alone, no ones going to think that sticking a fork in a wall socket is a good idea. People can do their own research on the product and ask more spear headed questions after they choose a light they like. That said Im not trying to stat anything just stating that letting it go may be a better route to go.

 

[KarmaPaymentPlan]

maybe link up a spec sheet on that, because im not seeing anything in the UVA or UVB or IR ranges from the few sites on the web with info. does amare even have a website? cant seem to find one

https://www.ledgrowlightsdepot.com/products/amare-solarpro-sp900
https://growlightcentral.com/products/amare-solarpro-900-cob-led-grow-light

there is some IR (>700 nm), bout about the same as a 90 cri cob
i see zero UV (<400 nm). there is a 430 nm peak from the blue leds but no UV at all

not much advantage over a 3000k or 3500k 90 cri cob- i just see lots of extra green in there

this is part of that gets me with this Amare circle jerk thing is i think they believe that by focusing on certain nm they are doing something special but all they are doing is changing the SPD

 

[Bungalow]

this is part of that gets me with this Amare circle jerk thing is i think they believe that by focusing on certain nm they are doing something special but all they are doing is changing the SPD

Their reasoning, as far as I understand it, is specifically to target photomorphological responses. Whether it's a positive or negative change, or even worth considering, is entirely up for debate. That is what sets them apart from other brands, though. I think it's best to see it from this angle rather than debating efficiency, penetration, or any other moot point in an age where ultra efficient leds are becoming the norm. I see a lot of room for constructivity here, and would love to see testing of say 3500k vs these adjusted curves in plant tissue response. It could even be inhibiting or promoting terpenes, etc. Just my thoughts on the matter, I've seen a lot of hate and backing on the subject without much testing or apparent understanding of the intended purpose of such a spectral shift. No offense intended to either side.

 

[MeGaKiLlErMaN]

Their reasoning, as far as I understand it, is specifically to target photomorphological responses. Whether it's a positive or negative change, or even worth considering, is entirely up for debate. That is what sets them apart from other brands, though. I think it's best to see it from this angle rather than debating efficiency, penetration, or any other moot point in an age where ultra efficient leds are becoming the norm. I see a lot of room for constructivity here, and would love to see testing of say 3500k vs these adjusted curves in plant tissue response. It could even be inhibiting or promoting terpenes, etc. Just my thoughts on the matter, I've seen a lot of hate and backing on the subject without much testing or apparent understanding of the intended purpose of such a spectral shift. No offense intended to either side.

Regarding penetration ^ If you have a tight canopy (scrog or just a trellis) you wont have any light over 100PPF going through the first layer of leaves making this for all intents and purposes a pointless thing to bring up. The numbers were the same for HPS, DE HPS, and COBS.

The only way to get more into the canopy is side lighting and not having a hot spot (IE multiple LES) Which might be a good idea.

Now if you have a stretchy strain then the more PPF/D you have the farther down the light will go, but that doesn't necessarily correlate to more wattage. That "penetration" only exists because there is space for light to pass through (those stretchy strains), but with a proper canopy thats pointless anyways.

Long story short, More PPF/D in a area (to a certain level) is what makes penetration a thing. its not directly dictated by power or how many watts you're pushing, but rather the usable light that is being pushed on the canopy level.

Test it yourself with a PAR meter.

 

[KarmaPaymentPlan]

Their reasoning, as far as I understand it, is specifically to target photomorphological responses. Whether it's a positive or negative change, or even worth considering, is entirely up for debate. That is what sets them apart from other brands, though. I think it's best to see it from this angle rather than debating efficiency, penetration, or any other moot point in an age where ultra efficient leds are becoming the norm. I see a lot of room for constructivity here, and would love to see testing of say 3500k vs these adjusted curves in plant tissue response. It could even be inhibiting or promoting terpenes, etc. Just my thoughts on the matter, I've seen a lot of hate and backing on the subject without much testing or apparent understanding of the intended purpose of such a spectral shift. No offense intended to either side.

what about old red/blue grow lights?
what about dawgs 5000k grow?
what about the 4000k+660nm grow?
older area51 grows (5600+630 i think)?
some apachetech grows?
companies have been playing with spectrum distribution for some time
i admit its interesting and wed all like to see something impressive but its this secret sauce nothing can match this spectrum attitude that drives me up the wall when you can achieve a very similar SPD using cheaper and better parts

 

[Bungalow]

this is part of that gets me with this Amare circle jerk thing is i think they believe that by focusing on certain nm they are doing something special but all they are doing is changing the SPD

Their reasoning, as far as I understand it, is specifically to target photomorphological responses. Whether it's a positive or negative change, or even worth considering, is entirely up for debate. That is what sets them apart from other brands, though. I think it's best to see it from this angle rather than debating efficiency, penetration, or any other moot point in an age where ultra efficient leds are becoming the norm. I see a lot of room for constructivity here, and would love to see testing of say 3500k vs these adjusted curves in plant tissue response. It could even be inhibiting or promoting terpenes, etc. Just my thoughts on the matter, I've seen a lot of hate and backing on the subject without much testing or apparent understanding of the intended purpose of such a spectral shift. No offense intended to either side.

what about old red/blue grow lights?
what about dawgs 5000k grow?
what about the 4000k+660nm grow?
older area51 grows (5600+630 i think)?
some apachetech grows?
companies have been playing with spectrum distribution for some time
i admit its interesting and wed all like to see something impressive but its this secret sauce nothing can match this spectrum attitude that drives me up the wall when you can achieve a very similar SPD using cheaper and better parts

I absolutely agree. I'm not plugging them in any way; I just wanted any debate on the subject to be focused on the only thing they're doing differently than other commercial fixtures as I have an interest in the outcome. I've seen very different results myself, but haven't had enough specifics to come to much of a conclusion on whether it's worth it or not, and even less so on x configuration to achieve y result. Thanks for threads to check out, I'll look at the 4000+660 and 5k for sure.

 

[BM9AGS]

I think spectrum plays big personally.

Sun grown weed and HID is not nearly as beautiful looking as what I've gotten under my osrams with cobs and CLW lights using white red and blue. HID doesn't produce as dense buds as what I'm seeing as consistently as with these lights and TBH sun grown weed looks like dirt weed to me in the bag same as the majority of HID. So IDK but it for sure plays a part in quality I think. And I'm only speaking about quality by eye. HID and the sun doesn't have as oily buds for sure but I've got zero tests.

I think mimicking the sun exactly is asking for dirt weed.....like most of hybridways grows

 

[CobKits]

no response to my question wondering why they tout UV when there is none in the spectrum?

 

[PhotonFUD]

I get you have issues with the guy but its sometimes best to just leave it alone, no ones going to think that sticking a fork in a wall socket is a good idea. People can do their own research on the product and ask more spear headed questions after they choose a light they like. That said Im not trying to stat anything just stating that letting it go may be a better route to go.

I have no particular issue with any vendor. That is unless they are misrepresenting and spreading misinformation which is the case with this vendor.

 

[Yodaweed]

I think spectrum plays big personally.

Sun grown weed and HID is not nearly as beautiful looking as what I've gotten under my osrams with cobs and CLW lights using white red and blue. HID doesn't produce as dense buds as what I'm seeing as consistently as with these lights and TBH sun grown weed looks like dirt weed to me in the bag same as the majority of HID. So IDK but it for sure plays a part in quality I think. And I'm only speaking about quality by eye. HID and the sun doesn't have as oily buds for sure but I've got zero tests.

I think mimicking the sun exactly is asking for dirt weed.....like most of hybridways grows

The quality is more based on the growers skill and genetics not the light.

 

[Big smo]

Well if it does have uv and ir then thats a good thing.i just see some china panels toss some nifty red and blue diodes around a older cob and call it the whip,this is why i was asking for specific information on par,chip,and spectrum info from you a few weeks ago.people dont want to just take someones word for it,we want the hard data.so dont be so offended when somebof us keep asking the same questions about amare.its when you take it so personal that some start to wonder if your not just pitching a sale lol.
I do want to see your tests and par reports and hopefully smo is building you a decent diy cob setup to compare against and not some over driven shitzen panel with all the wrong drivers and heatsinking lmao.i know he aint doin that,just gotta make sure you compare apples n apples

Actually heatsinks that most haven't even seen yet. Oversized for once too. As for the drivers they are coming direct from meanwell. Don't worry six things will be fine. Locally they don't last more than 12 hours on the shelves and it is not another standard Home Depot hardware isle light like we see so much of.

 

[CobKits]

Actually heatsinks that most haven't even seen yet.

 

[mypassion]

I think spectrum plays big personally.

Sun grown weed and HID is not nearly as beautiful looking as what I've gotten under my osrams with cobs and CLW lights using white red and blue. HID doesn't produce as dense buds as what I'm seeing as consistently as with these lights and TBH sun grown weed looks like dirt weed to me in the bag same as the majority of HID. So IDK but it for sure plays a part in quality I think. And I'm only speaking about quality by eye. HID and the sun doesn't have as oily buds for sure but I've got zero tests.

I think mimicking the sun exactly is asking for dirt weed.....like most of hybridways grows

Sun grown weed may look like dirt but should be the ... best?

 

[BM9AGS]

Sun grown weed may look like dirt but should be the ... best?

You think? Personally I can't say I do. When has sun grown weed won a cannabis cup or tested highest in thc? I also believe fake titts look best