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[MisterBouncyBounce]

You and I are reading the same words, right?

"it’s impossible to know whether systemic pro-Hillary Clinton bias at the DNC was decisive in the 2016 Democratic primary race"

The quote goes on to describe moral outrage. If you want to claim moral outrage then I'm sympathetic. The question I ask you is, so what? If you want to claim the election is invalid then obviously there is a higher standard of proof for that. In your own post, you say it can't be proven.

I don't even think we have a disagreement.

we agree the DNC willfully conspired to work against it's own candidate?
we agree that it could very well have had an effect?
we agree the leadership resigned because they were in fact guilty of this conspiracy?
we agree it's easier to run an effective campaign when your party is not working against you?

if we agree on this things, then we agree Bernie could have won had he not been betrayed by his own party. The losing margin was not too wide.

These are not complaints. These are rational thoughts that analyze those facts we agree on and conclude it could very well have effected the outcome.

If someone was saying that it is a fact that is the reason why he lost, that's not my argument. it's not a fact.
But it is a fact that having leadership view you that way is going to hurt you. and that hurt is incalculable.

 

[UncleBuck]

Bernie could have won had he not been betrayed by his own party.

how did the independent party betray bernie?

The losing margin was not too wide.

4 million votes, 55%-43%.

beyond wide.

 

[MisterBouncyBounce]

how did the independent party betray bernie?



4 million votes, 55%-43%.

beyond wide.

I already given my reasoning for why 12% is not too wide.

He ran as a democratic. He was accepted by the party, that makes it his party.

 

[UncleBuck]

I already given my reasoning for why 12% is not too wide.

He ran as a democratic. He was accepted by the party, that makes it his party.

i miss the times when reality and facts mattered.

 

[MisterBouncyBounce]

i miss the times when reality and facts mattered.

you're welcome back to reality anytime.

 

[Justin-case]

I already given my reasoning for why 12% is not too wide.

He ran as a democratic. He was accepted by the party, that makes it his party.

His numbers in some demographics just weren't there, his message only went so far ,regardless of what the dnc did. Let's face it, Bernie couldnt get a black voter's attention if he was on fire.

 

[MisterBouncyBounce]

His numbers in some demographics just weren't there, his message only went so far ,regardless of what the dnc did. Let's face it, Bernie couldnt get a black guys attention if he was on fire.

maybe. it's not a fact he would have won if the DNC played fair.

 

[Justin-case]

maybe. it's not a fact he would have won if the DNC played fair.

I mean, trump was up against a 'rigged' primary and he won the nomination. If Bernie couldnt overcome that in the primaries, I don't imagine he could have won the general.

 

[MisterBouncyBounce]

I mean, trump was up against a 'rigged' primary and he won the nomination. If Bernie couldnt overcome that in the primaries, I don't imagine he could have won the general.

you could be right. shame we didn't get chance to find out instead of talking about "not likely" and could haves" on forums.

 

[Justin-case]

you could be right. shame we didn't get chance to find out instead of talking about "not likely" and could haves" on forums.

He would have done better in the rust belt, no doubt.

 

[UncleBuck]

He would have done better in the rust belt, no doubt.

yeah, those rural rednecks scared of mexicans and ISIS would have gone apeshit for a commie jew.

 

[tangerinegreen555]

He would have done better in the rust belt, no doubt.

Analysis is fun, but the future is coming. Cory Booker 2020.


I hope I can dig up this post on Jan. 20, 2021. It may have collector value then.

 

[Justin-case]

yeah, those rural rednecks scared of mexicans and ISIS would have gone apeshit for a commie jew.

Lol, yeah after trump was done with him. I only say that because of his numbers in the primaries.

 

[UncleBuck]

Analysis is fun, but the future is coming. Cory Booker 2020.


I hope I can dig up this post on Jan. 20, 2021. It may have collector value then.

i will smear your good name to get julian castro nominated.

but, ya know, if that doesn't work out, i will be 100% on board with your guy.
























berniebots: take note, this is how it works^^^^

 

[Padawanbater2]

I mean, trump was up against a 'rigged' primary and he won the nomination. If Bernie couldnt overcome that in the primaries, I don't imagine he could have won the general.

What evidence is there that the Republican primary was rigged?

If Sanders couldn't overcome a rigged primary, you don't imagine he could have won the general? Where is the logic in that? Had he won a fair primary, there's no reason to believe he couldn't have won the general election. He beat Clinton in a few pivotal states that she lost to Trump, and most of her wins in the primary were won by Trump in the general.

i will smear your good name to get julian castro nominated.

but, ya know, if that doesn't work out, i will be 100% on board with your guy.

berniebots: take note, this is how it works^^^^

Would you still support Booker if he rigged the democratic primary against Castro?

 

[Justin-case]

What evidence is there that the Republican primary was rigged?

If Sanders couldn't overcome a rigged primary, you don't imagine he could have won the general? Where is the logic in that? Had he won a fair primary, there's no reason to believe he couldn't have won the general election. He beat Clinton in a few pivotal states that she lost to Trump, and most of her wins in the primary were won by Trump in the general.

Would you still support Booker if he rigged the democratic primary against Castro?

The RNC did everything they could to stop trump from getting to 267. There was talk all the way up to convention of denying him the delegates needed to clench the nomination.

As far as Bernie goes, he could only pull solid support from a limited demographic.
Say, don't you have a butt hurt white boy thread to tend to?

 

[UncleBuck]

Would you still support Booker if he rigged the democratic primary against Castro?

by "rig", do you mean do normal things that all campaigns do to win, including bernie's campaign?

and yes.

 

[Padawanbater2]

The RNC did everything they could to stop trump from getting to 267. There was talk all the way up to convention of denying him the delegates needed to clench the nomination.

Did they? Where's the evidence?

As far as Bernie goes, he could only pull solid support from a limited demographic.

Right, because the democratic primary was rigged against him. Had it been a fair election, the outcome could have likely been very different. Unfortunately the Clinton campaign ensured it wasn't, so we'll never know. I'd think if you actually cared so much, you'd hold the Clinton campaign to the fire for rigging the primary

 

[Unclebaldrick]

Did they? Where's the evidence?

Encrypted on Putin's hard drive.

Thank God democracy is safe though, eh?

 

[Padawanbater2]

Democracy Lost: A Report on the Fatally Flawed 2016 Democratic Primaries

DNC Lawyers Argue No Liability: Neutrality Is Merely a ‘Political Promise’

So naive of us..

"The DNC lawyers’ argument here is that the charter’s demand that the chair and DNC staff remain neutral throughout the Democratic primary is a political promise, similar to policy proposals made in campaign platforms that aren’t fulfilled when in office. The lawyers cite an argument made in another court case stating that voters are free to vote out politicians. In their initial motion to dismiss the lawsuit, DNC lawyers argued Bernie Sanders supporters were aware the DNC and Wasserman Schultz were biased against their candidate. Now their argument is a neutral DNC and DNC chair are just political promises, leaving voters susceptible to the deception that the DNC would treat Clinton and Sanders equally. The lawyers argue liability only applies to consumer-merchant relationships"