"If you do not believe in climate change, you should not be allowed to hold public office"

[ginjawarrior]

Energy is energy but Britain's geography and energy map is drastically different from that of the US.

Nuclear power's promise was energy 'too cheap to meter', but it simply hasn't borne out. Operating costs never dropped as expected and the consequences of things going badly wrong are incalculable, because humans simply don't know how to account for 'forever'. It has turned out to be a dangerous boondoggle whose risks aren't worth the rewards, and never will be.

If humans were as resistant to radiation as cockroaches I'd have no problem with it.

Wind, solar, biomass, tides and hydro are all renewable energy sources that don't pose such high risks to the environment. It's high time we got rather more serious about using them.

lol whats the point of saving the enviroment when you have to pave it over with solar, wind turbines and say service roads to and from them? along with the added farmland/ woodland loss?

and again you keep refering to "forever" as if you have a mental block on the whole discussion of burning the waste as fuel...

 

[Padawanbater2]

Where is the value in this conversation?

 

[ginjawarrior]

Yes, it does.

Your citation was nothing, you're the one who made the claim of two hundred years instead of thousands and I checked your source and it's bullshit.

It's ironic that the guy asking for citations provides a bullshit citation himself.

Clown shoes indeed.

you had the dumbed down link first

http://www.world-nuclear.org/information-library/nuclear-fuel-cycle/nuclear-power-reactors/generation-iv-nuclear-reactors.aspx
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long-lived_fission_product

if you burn away the long lived actinides your left with material that had 30 year halflifes....

After several years of cooling, most radioactivity is from the fission products caesium-137 and strontium-90, which are each produced in about 6% of fissions, and have half-lives of about 30 years. Other fission products with similar half-lives have much lower fission product yields, lower decay energy, and several (151Sm,155Eu,113mCd) are also quickly destroyed by neutron capture while still in the reactor, so are not responsible for more than a tiny fraction of the radiation production at any time. Therefore, in the period from several years to several hundred years after use, radioactivity of spent fuel can be modeled simply as exponential decay of the 137Cs and 90Sr. These are sometimes known as medium-lived fission products.[1][2]

i said a couple may should have said a few but your the one that presumed it must be 200 year half life with minimum couple of thosads of years

modern technology can make a nuclear reactor that leaves waste which is only dangerous for a couple of hundred years (less than how long the current co2 is going to affect the world)

 

[zeddd]

Well you're protected from Alpha radiation by something as simple as the dead cells in your skin or by a single piece of paper.

Beta only requires a thin layer of glass or metal to block, or about an inch or two of water.

By contrast, gamma rays need 6.5ft of concrete, 1.5ft of lead or 14ft of water.

The problem with alpha is ingestion either into the alimentary canal or the lungs where it sits decaying passing energy into the DNA and causing mutagenesis

 

[SneekyNinja]

you had the dumbed down link first

http://www.world-nuclear.org/information-library/nuclear-fuel-cycle/nuclear-power-reactors/generation-iv-nuclear-reactors.aspx
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long-lived_fission_product

if you burn away the long lived actinides your left with material that had 30 year halflifes....



i said a couple may should have said a few but your the one that presumed it must be 200 year half life with minimum couple of thosads of years

Hypothetically.

Because the hypothetical reactors don't exist yet.

Your citations are bullshit, check the reference in Wiki.

We're closer to sustained fusion that we are to your bullshit magic reactors.

 

[ttystikk]

Where is the value in this conversation?

Demonstrating the insanity of 'saving the environment' with poisons that last longer than human civilization.

The same idiots who don't believe in anthropomorphic climate change very often think that nuclear power is an answer.

I'm thinking that my work in building systems to grow food inside boxes will come in handy sooner rather than later.

 

[SneekyNinja]

Demonstrating the insanity of 'saving the environment' with poisons that last longer than human civilization.

The same idiots who don't believe in anthropomorphic climate change very often think that nuclear power is an answer.

I'm thinking that my work in building systems to grow food inside boxes will come in handy sooner rather than later.

The bit that gets me off is he calls other people "pipedreamers" but his magic reactor hasn't even been built yet let alone tested.

We're literally closer to fusion because at least theyre currently building next gen Tokamak reactors.

 

[ginjawarrior]

Hypothetically.

Because the hypothetical reactors don't exist yet.

Your citations are bullshit, check the reference in Wiki.

We're closer to sustained fusion that we are to your bullshit magic reactors.

GIF focus
After some two years' deliberation and review of about one hundred concepts, GIF (then representing ten countries) late in 2002 announced the selection of six reactor technologies which they believe represent the future shape of nuclear energy. These were selected on the basis of being clean, safe and cost-effective means of meeting increased energy demands on a sustainable basis, while being resistant to diversion of materials for weapons proliferation and secure from terrorist attacks. They are the subject of further development internationally, with expenditure of about $6 billion over 15 years. About 80% of the cost is being met by the USA, Japan and France.

In addition to selecting these six concepts for deployment between 2010 and 2030, the GIF recognised a number of International Near-Term Deployment advanced reactors available before 2015. (see Advanced Reactors paper )

Most of the six systems employ a closed fuel cycle to maximise the resource base and minimise high-level wastes to be sent to a repository. Three of the six are fast neutron reactors (FNR) and one can be built as a fast reactor, one is described as epithermal, and only two operate with slow neutrons like today's plants.

http://www.world-nuclear.org/information-library/nuclear-fuel-cycle/nuclear-power-reactors/generation-iv-nuclear-reactors.aspx


they dont have anything like the same problems as fusion....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast-neutron_reactor#List_of_fast_reactors

they're being built now.....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prototype_Fast_Breeder_Reactor

 

[ginjawarrior]

Demonstrating the insanity of 'saving the environment' with poisons that last longer than human civilization.

again with the bullshit........

 

[zeddd]

Demonstrating the insanity of 'saving the environment' with poisons that last longer than human civilization.

The same idiots who don't believe in anthropomorphic climate change very often think that nuclear power is an answer.

I'm thinking that my work in building systems to grow food inside boxes will come in handy sooner rather than later.

Lol thought you were a physics major

 

[SneekyNinja]

http://www.world-nuclear.org/information-library/nuclear-fuel-cycle/nuclear-power-reactors/generation-iv-nuclear-reactors.aspx


they dont have anything like the same problems as fusion....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast-neutron_reactor#List_of_fast_reactors

they're being built now.....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prototype_Fast_Breeder_Reactor

Clownshoes, that's a breeder reactor designed in the 80's.

By all means, keep showing your stupid and bias simultaneously.

Clownshoes...pipedreamer.

The only source for "waste than only lasts a few hundred years" is a link to an opinion piece by Jim Hansen, you know the climate alarmist who gave deniers so much ammo against the Climate Change movement with his bullshit?

 

[Grandpapy]

In 1972, an Exxon internal audit disclosed that Esso Italiana, Exxon’s Italian subsidiary, had been making payments to Italian political parties that were tied by amount to specific corporate objectives. One of the objectives that was listed on documents seized by Italian authorities was halting nuclear energy development in Italy in favor of burning more oil in electrical power plants.

Exxon (being a voter and having Supreme Power in Washington) gives no money to anything that it chooses.

We've had a hydrogen powered Toyota sitting @ Livermore Labs for about 15 yrs now....

There is plenty of work and jobs just catching up for lost innovation in America if we can just stop the forced ignorance. edit: jmo

 

[Fogdog]

Lol thought you were a physics major

Demonstrating the insanity of 'saving the environment' with poisons that last longer than human civilization.

The same idiots who don't believe in anthropomorphic climate change very often think that nuclear power is an answer.

I'm thinking that my work in building systems to grow food inside boxes will come in handy sooner rather than later.

Anthropomorphic = Wolf man, furries, teen age mutant ninja turtles

 

[Fogdog]

Type 4 reactors are ten years away from commercial use. Basically, anything more than 5 years out is just a pipe dream for Nuclear power advocates. The specs are a pipe dream. The most recent power plant to come on line was originally permitted in the 70's.

Unlike @ginjawarrior, I don't have any problems with him engaging in blue sky dreams of what can be. After all, what could possibly go wrong with a high temperature, high pressure reactor filled with plutonium? The companies who want more government grant money to pay for developing the reactor says type 4 reactors will be really, really spiffy. He feels his dreams are better than yours. When other people reach at what's possible they are standing in the way of progress, unlike him, which is kind of funny.

Nuclear power pipe dreamers can dream on all they like, just don't spend the money without a transparent and impartial assessment of policy options. Won't happen under Trump. He loves him coal and nuclear weapons.

 

[666888]

Ice age,warm bit in the middle, ice age, warm bit in the middle, ice age, warm bit in the middle, ice age, etc. etc.
And then whitey comes along and supposedly fucks it up
The planet spends most of its time cold, we finally get a bit of decant weather and all you pissy little brain washed lefties and minority's do is whinge
And demand a fix to a problem that is not there
Suckers

 

[Grandpapy]

Ice age,warm bit in the middle, ice age, warm bit in the middle, ice age, warm bit in the middle, ice age, etc. etc.
And then whitey comes along and supposedly fucks it up
The planet spends most of its time cold, we finally get a bit of decant weather and all you pissy little brain washed lefties and minority's do is whinge
And demand a fix to a problem that is not there
Suckers

Don't you want your kids to make thru this "warm bit" to the next "warm bit"?
We should invest in education.

 

[fdd2blk]

Don't you want your kids to make thru this "warm bit" to the next "warm bit"?
We should invest in education.

Think of the children!!

 

[SneekyNinja]

Ice age,warm bit in the middle, ice age, warm bit in the middle, ice age, warm bit in the middle, ice age, etc. etc.
And then whitey comes along and supposedly fucks it up
The planet spends most of its time cold, we finally get a bit of decant weather and all you pissy little brain washed lefties and minority's do is whinge
And demand a fix to a problem that is not there
Suckers

Let's pretend we don't affect the climate whatsoever...

Why not change to the source of power that is free, clean and abundant as an issue of advancement rather than the climate angle?

 

[Fogdog]

Ice age,warm bit in the middle, ice age, warm bit in the middle, ice age, warm bit in the middle, ice age, etc. etc.
And then whitey comes along and supposedly fucks it up
The planet spends most of its time cold, we finally get a bit of decant weather and all you pissy little brain washed lefties and minority's do is whinge
And demand a fix to a problem that is not there
Suckers

You don't know very much.

Pre-industrial climate variation does not compare to what started to happen a little more than a hundred years ago.

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/03/were-screwed-11-000-years-worth-of-climate-data-prove-it/273870/


The cause of the recent rapid and unprecedented rise in global temperature is well documented and understood. The cause is heat trapping waste products from burning fossil fuels and industrial activities. Such as CO2, methane and fluorocarbon chemicals.

 

[Grandpapy]

Let's pretend we don't affect the climate whatsoever...

Why not change to the source of power that is free, clean and abundant as an issue of advancement rather than the climate angle?

Because whats good for Halliburton is good for America.