Any powdery mildew experts?

[Norby Grown]

Ah I said I'd stop reading but fuck me he's got to be a troll..not gonna respond to him anymore

I'm the troll? LOL. I was here first posting factual information. And your the one who called me a ignorant cunt. Pretty sure you got this one backwards.

 

[theslipperbandit]

When applied correctly, myclobutanil is known to have low toxicity to humans. Myclobutanil-based fungicides, including Eagle 20EW, are not currently approved for use in the United States on tobacco, the only (other than marijuana) smokable agricultural commodity. The toxicity and health effects of myclobutanil in the context of combustion/inhalation (versus ingestion) have not been assessed.

Have NOT BEEN ASSESSED! as in they haven't gone thru the testing to get it ok'd. If they went thru the testing they would come up with a time frame and amount you can spray, just like they do with everything else. It hasn't been BANNED it's not even been looked in to for guidelines for using on tobacco. That doesn't say whether it's bad or ok for tobacco. If you can't understand the difference then you should not be arguing that the US "ban" is reason enough to think it's terrible stuff. The EPA is shitty at figuring out what's not ok for us as you can see with roundup and tons of other chems they use on our food. It's just not a good guideline to use to figure out the toxicity of something. So that argument fails in my eyes. The best thing to do with anything you spray is to make sure it's gone by the time you harvest it.


Just follow the link u moron that shits banned on tobacco so once cannabis gets less taboo that'll soon follow...bet u flush aswell n defoliate

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You're missing out on a few key points why tobacco and not cannabis n why were those legal ops told to quarantine the ones it was used on and the reason it hasn't probably been assessed is the legality...you spray it? U know that shit is...look good-looking to u I. Hope ur patients don't suffer


Let's see ur plants

 

[theslipperbandit]

I'm the troll? LOL. I was here first posting factual information. And your the one who called me a ignorant cunt. Pretty sure you got this one backwards.

"factual" would be what everyone else mentioned. Defy ignorance; it's basing an opinion on something you know nothing about and I'd say I know a bit more than u....just received tracking for new cob lenses n reflectors for free Currency a that's what happens when u progress u gain respect which no1 has any for u although your stubbornness is admirable

 

[Norby Grown]

First off, again, haven't used it in over 1.5 years, catch on dimwit. And the rest I don't understand. Please structure your sentences better if you want a reply. but I thought you didn't want to continue this conversation? Quite a confusing bunch. Conflicting info, terrible sentence structure and very mixed signals going around here.

You're missing out on a few key points why tobacco and not cannabis n why were those legal ops told to quarantine the ones it was used on and the reason it hasn't probably been assessed is the legality...you spray it? U know that shit is...look good-looking to u I. Hope ur patients don't suffer


Let's see ur plants[/QUOTE]

 

[Norby Grown]

I'd rather be correct than gain respect from people who have no respect for science, lab testing and reason/logic. Especially ones who like to brag rather than think. When you think I'm not respected you know nothing other than what this little forum tells you. I have the respect of the people I know and also respect. That's all that matters.

"factual" would be what everyone else mentioned. Defy ignorance; it's basing an opinion on something you know nothing about and I'd say I know a bit more than u....just received tracking for new cob lenses n reflectors for free Currency a that's what happens when u progress u gain respect which no1 has any for u although your stubbornness is admirable

 

[Tangerine_]

Basic human a&p?
No debate needed, it's quite clear you posted conflicting info in your post as to whether you think PM is systemic or not. Anyone can see that.
Eagle 20 is safe if there is none left in the plant at harvest. I just don't get how people can not understand this. You need to have basic understanding of testing and metabolism of eagle 20 to continue this discussion and you obviously don't. Nor do you understand what your posting if you think your links and quote don't provide conflicting info on whether or not you think PM is systemic.

My links were added as extra info so that others could read up further. There is nothing conflicting. Yes, PM is systemic (in a sense). Does it "replicate" on its own inside plant tissue? No. But, it IS inside the plants tissue.

As far as Eagle 20, to put it in very simple terms- it has the potential to linger and when combusted is a dangerous poison that could have adverse effects. Those effects could prove life threatening to the unknowing.

At this point your responses are nothing more than a warped attempt at justifying your decision to use it and then irresponsibly pass it on to pts.

So again...if YOU want to use that shit go ahead, but do not tell other growers/med providers its as safe as a AACT or any other spray. ITS NOT.

And as far your "weed is banned too" rhetoric? What a bunch of pretentious horseshit, lol.

Now, I'll kindly ask you to please stop quoting me. I've already made it clear that I have no wish to debate this with you. If people take your ill-informed opinions as fact, so be it. As nurse, I think what your proposing people do is dangerous, unnecessary, and irresponsible.

 

[Norby Grown]

I don't have to justify anything i only used it 2x( for the umteenth fuking time) and I told my patients exactly what I was doing!
I justify using it responsibly once or twice, to get rid of a problem, not as a constant treatment with every crop so stop trying to bend my logic to your rant! I know that it's safe under the conditions I used it in. Can you show me one link to where anyone has been harmed by it? Just one article even, not even a reviewed paper? And considering how many places got caught using it i imagine a LOT of people have been smoking it UNFORTUNATELY! I'm not a salesman or company rep I simply am passing along information of how to use it once or 2x and clear up a problem SO YOU DON'T EVER HAVE TO USE IT AGAIN!!!!
If you don't want me to quote you then don't misrepresent what I'm saying. I didn't say that eagle 20 was as safe as AACT. I said both can be harmful and both can be safe. I said eagle 20 can be safer depending on how you use it. You should be teaching people to learn and think for themselves or they get the idea they can spray AACT a week before harvest and it's safe. They think you can spray neem a week before harvest and its safe because it's organic, well so is hydrogen cyanide!! In this case eagle 20 sprayed in veg and not in flower is safer for an immunocompromised patient than spraying AACT the week before you harvest. If you can't understand that you shouldn't be a nurse. AACT has the potential to "linger" too if not washed off. Maybe you should start ranting about that too instead of jumping down my throat!
Again, PM is systemic or isn't it according to your posts? It isn't systemic, in a sense. It isn't systemic period!

My links were added as extra info so that others could read up further. There is nothing conflicting. Yes, PM is systemic (in a sense). Does it "replicate" on its own inside plant tissue? No. But, it IS inside the plants tissue.

As far as Eagle 20, to put it in very simple terms- it has the potential to linger and when combusted is a dangerous poison that could have adverse effects. Those effects could prove life threatening to the unknowing.

At this point your responses are nothing more than a warped attempt at justifying your decision to use it and then irresponsibly pass it on to pts.

So again...if YOU want to use that shit go ahead, but do not tell other growers/med providers its as safe as a AACT or any other spray. ITS NOT.

And as far your "weed is banned too" rhetoric? What a bunch of pretentious horseshit, lol.

Now, I'll kindly ask you to please stop quoting me. I've already made it clear that I have no wish to debate this with you. If people take your ill-informed opinions as fact, so be it. As nurse, I think what your proposing people do is dangerous, unnecessary, and irresponsible.

 

[whitebb2727]

It doesn't travel throughout the plant, therefore not systemic(the fungus or the fungicide). It only penetrates into the surface layer of the leaves, it may be labled "systemic" but you have to understand how they work to understand how "systemic" it is.

eagle 20 also only penetrates the first layer of cells it contacts. It also has not been detected remaining in the plant more than 7 weeks(under indoor conditions) and it doesn't travel throughout the whole plant. You only use 2ml per gallon, that's not very much compared to how much they were feeding the rats to test it. And of the 2 ml only 19% is mycobutanol) Considering the rats never developed cancer, I don't know where you get your info from but eagle 20 is relatively safe in the concentrations used if used properly. The person most at risk is doing the spraying. If you never spray when in flower there is never anything left when you harvest.

And since you give me no links to where you got your quotes from I can't really check for accuracy but I already know that your statements are false. Read teh MSDS sheet. Does not cause cancer, causes irritation, doesn't cause birth defects, etc.etc.

http://www.kernred.com/kern-agcomm/products/EAGLE 20 EW.pdf

If I were you I'd re read and understand what you are talking about before bashing someone like you did. First off I only used it 2x to get rid of mildew. You think it's better to serve mildewy buds to my patients or interrupt their supply so they could go out and but stuff that WAS sprayed with heavy fungicides or miticides from someone else? Other than the eagle 20 I used on 15 plants about a year and a half ago my buds are all organic and always have been.

So shove your poison comment up your arse!

Bull shit. Eagle 20 is very dangerous shit. You need you fucking teeth knocked out for using that shit and selling or giving it to other people.

There is a long thread about it here.

Theres a reason it is banned in all medical states. There is a reason it is banned for use on tobacco you moron.

I hope to god you are not passing you shit on to others.

Yes the links have all been provided her before.

 

[whitebb2727]

I don't think it "belongs" on cannabis I just know that it's a safe and effective one or 2x use kill for PM.

I'll have to tell the guy I got the PM cutting from about your regimen since he's been using organics to battle PM for 2 years before he gave it to me. He won't get rid of his collection and he won't use anything non organic and he's had PM in his garden for over 2 years, thinking his weekly spraying regimen had worked. But everytime he stopped it came back and he neglected to tell me when he gave me a hi CBD cutting that he had been battling it for 2 years and he "thought" it was gone. Basically using me for a "test".

Had he told me I'd not have accepted the cutting. So I used what I used and told my patients what I was doing and they had no problems trusting me. As i said it was 2 x and done. And it work

Wow, you can't deal with logic, science, reason and truth so you are calling out people to troll me?
What a loser.
If you can't deal with someone using eagle 20 on his own crop, after doing the research on toxicity, and then telling his 5 patients he was doing it and then testing to see if any was left in the end product and then posting the TRUTH of the situation on a forum, you've got some real personal problems dude.
You should probably spend some time dealing with that rather then spending the time going after me. It would help you heal.

You've shown no science its safe dumb ass. Even the meds says it creates hydrogen cyanide when burned.

 

[whitebb2727]

Wow, are you guys all this reactive?
Do you understand what a whole load of bacteria can do to someone with a compromised immune system because you sprayed AACT into teh buds? Do you even know what all bacteria and fungal strains are in your AACT? Obviously not. Then how can you say what will happen to immunocompromised patients inhaling or eating such meds?
ANd obviously you can't even tell that you've posted conflicting info on whether or not PM is systemic. Read your post dumbass and tell me whether you think PM is systemic or not?

And what the hell are you talking about what happens to a patient who needs colony building treatments and how eagle 20 affects that. What do pulmonary complications have to do with using MJ that was sprayed with eagle 20 and tested to see that it has all dissipated(NONE LEFT IN THE BUDS)? It'd be safer than giving some MJ with aspergillus to a immunocompromised patient to smoke, no? If you think the aspirgillus would be better you should just stop now. If not tell me how a trace amount of eagle 20 is worse than giving them something contaminated with tons of unknown bacteria and fungal spores to inhale?

You are equating a highly poisonous poison to bacteria.

The only reasons one would use eagle 20 is laziness and stupidity.

Its for ornamental crops not something you smoke.

 

[Norby Grown]

Read what I wrote dipshit, then you don't even have to post.
Look back in the thread, it isn't "banned" for use on tobacco, it hasn't been tested to be used on tobacco. There is a difference in finding evidence that it won't be dispersed from the plant and would be harmful in X amount if smoked and not ever being tested at all. I think a LOT of you really have no clue what "banned" means and what "hasn't been tested as to the effects" means. And at the 2ml per gallon rate and spreading the amount left would be miniscule if only sprayed once in veg. If any of you would look at the MSDS sheet youd see it's safer than a lot of other chemicals. But people would rather argue then learn I guess. You do realize, from an edibles standpoint you are getting more myclobutanol in your food everyday than you'd ever get from making MJ medibles right? From a vaporizer standpoint you don't hit the 401f to turn it into HC right? The only problem comes with smoking(combusting) it as you are getting tons of eagle 20 in the veggies you eat everyday!
If you'd have read anything I posted you would know exactly what I had done but it seems you'd rather threaten people than learn anything.
So can anyone show me a link to where anyone has been hurt by smoking anything with eagle 20 on it?

Bull shit. Eagle 20 is very dangerous shit. You need you fucking teeth knocked out for using that shit and selling or giving it to other people.

There is a long thread about it here.

Theres a reason it is banned in all medical states. There is a reason it is banned for use on tobacco you moron.

I hope to god you are not passing you shit on to others.

Yes the links have all been provided her before.

 

[Norby Grown]

It's used on lots of veggies dumbass. you realize botulism is a toxin created by bacteria right?

Where are you getting all this misinformation from?

http://www.toxipedia.org/display/toxipedia/Myclobutanil

http://msdssearch.dow.com/PublishedLiteratureDOWCOM/dh_08d6/0901b803808d60fd.pdf?filepath=productsafety/pdfs/noreg/233-01023.pdf

You should really read more before you speak.

You are equating a highly poisonous poison to bacteria.

The only reasons one would use eagle 20 is laziness and stupidity.

Its for ornamental crops not something you smoke.

 

[whitebb2727]

@Norby Grown


Ill take the time to do this again. Myclobutinal can be found in fully flowered plants from a single treatment. It has a very lo g half life.

http://www.coloradogreenlab.com/blog/eagle-20-and-myclobutanil.

It is toxic to amphibians and other aquatic life.

http://www.pesticideinfo.org/Detail_Chemical.jsp?Rec_Id=PC120

Here. You are smoking hydrogen cyanide.

http://learn.woahstork.com/grow/the-dangers-of-inorganic-fungicides

It has a low acute toxicity. Meaning it isn't the one time exposed to it. It is the repeated exposure. Studies show all kinds of effect from repeated exposure.

http://www.toxipedia.org/display/toxipedia/Myclobutanil



It bad shit dude. It is meant for ornamental and very few eaten crops. It was never meant for a crop you burn and inhale.


You want to rid pm? Increased airflow, lower humidity and uv lights will take care of it.


I am disappointed and think less of lazy ignorant pot growers that use dangerous stuff lime eagle 20 and try to justify it.

 

[Norby Grown]

You've shown no science its safe dumb ass. Even the meds says it creates hydrogen cyanide when burned.

If you had read that I had plants tested for it and nothing showed, you would realize that that is science. Lab testing showing it was gone from teh plant showed that it was no longer in the plant and that plant was safe is showing that the way I used it was completely safe. Is there some other science I don't know about?
I realize that doesn't mean it would react the same in every garden for every strain under any conditions but it shows it's possible to spray it and tehn have it be gone from the plant before it's consumed which in my instance showed it can be used safely.

 

[whitebb2727]

It's used on lots of veggies dumbass. you realize botulism is a toxin created by bacteria right?

Where are you getting all this misinformation from?

http://www.toxipedia.org/display/toxipedia/Myclobutanil

http://msdssearch.dow.com/PublishedLiteratureDOWCOM/dh_08d6/0901b803808d60fd.pdf?filepath=productsafety/pdfs/noreg/233-01023.pdf

You should really read more before you speak.

So. That justifies its use?


Yea its used on a few food crops. That you EAT. We smoke pot retard.

 

[whitebb2727]

Read what I wrote dipshit, then you don't even have to post.
Look back in the thread, it isn't "banned" for use on tobacco, it hasn't been tested to be used on tobacco. There is a difference in finding evidence that it won't be dispersed from the plant and would be harmful in X amount if smoked and not ever being tested at all. I think a LOT of you really have no clue what "banned" means and what "hasn't been tested as to the effects" means. And at the 2ml per gallon rate and spreading the amount left would be miniscule if only sprayed once in veg. If any of you would look at the MSDS sheet youd see it's safer than a lot of other chemicals. But people would rather argue then learn I guess. You do realize, from an edibles standpoint you are getting more myclobutanol in your food everyday than you'd ever get from making MJ medibles right? From a vaporizer standpoint you don't hit the 401f to turn it into HC right? The only problem comes with smoking(combusting) it as you are getting tons of eagle 20 in the veggies you eat everyday!
If you'd have read anything I posted you would know exactly what I had done but it seems you'd rather threaten people than learn anything.
So can anyone show me a link to where anyone has been hurt by smoking anything with eagle 20 on it?

Once again you lazy stupid cunt. It is banned on tobacco because it creates hydrogen cyanide when burned.

Hydrogen cyanide.

Go ahead and smoke you shitty weed with hydrogen cyanide.

You think you will actually get any respect from anyone here? No. There is a reason no one is agreeing with you.

You say it has a low acute toxicity. That's if eaten. You don't have the intelligence to grasp the dangers of what you are doing.

Any farmer that uses shit like eagle 20 is lazy. Period.

I grow organic. Cannabis and vegetables.

Maybe I shouldn't call names, I try to let arguments stand on their own merits. I just get tired of people using dangerous chemicals and trying to make others think its ok. Its not. You have no leg to stand on.

I can tell you this, part of my job in the military was hazardous material handling, storage and disposal. With dangerous chemicals like eagle 20 its not the once or twice you are exposed to it. Its the repeated exposure.

Go beyond that and the fact it creates cyanide when burned no telling the damage you've done to yourself or others. Sometimes it takes years for it to show up.

I'm sure you know you are in the wrong or you wouldn't be trying to justify it by saying "I only used it twice."

 

[Norby Grown]

Your first link didn't work.
Lab tests that show it gone after 8 weeks of flowering don't lie. It doesn't move throughout the plant, if you spray with no buds they don't get myclobutanil in them.
Some people don't smoke MJ and vaping doesn't hit the temp to turn it into HC, for the 2nd time.
A "few" food crops? Soys in everything. It's used on a LOT of food crops!

Next we can get on to PPB left in the plant and what that equates to in smoking. You realize that quantity is very important as to effects and I'm pretty sure people have been smoking myclobutinal for a long time. you think these Co tests were the first time anyone ever sprayed eagle20 on a pot plant? You think you can find me one instance of anyone being harmed by eagle 20 on the pot they smoked?
I don't think eagle 20 should be used anything more than a 1 or 2x and out thing. I don't think people should use it on every crop. But overreacting if someone uses it once and discloses is perpetuatin the problem of PM. The reason I got it in the first plce was from someone who kept the humidity and temps right and used organic methods to try adn eradicate PM from his perpetual garden and after 2 years he still had it and gave it to me! Yet I killed it off in a perpetual grow with 2 applications of eagle 20 in veg and none was ever found in the buds but his he sprayed in flower with neem and potassium etc.etc.etc and he never got rid of it. Said he didn't see "outbreaks" but still passed it along to me and never told me he was fighting it so......... If he would've just sprayed once or twice I'd never have got it and wouldn't have had to use it in the first place.
Believe me I'm an all organic garden for over 15 years except that one instance 1.5 years ago. I don't suggest people using it but i'd rather people use it once and be done rather than linger that shit on and spread it all over the place. That's why people use this shit every crop because people think they've got rid of it under an organic regimen and then pass it to other people.

@Norby Grown


Ill take the time to do this again. Myclobutinal can be found in fully flowered plants from a single treatment. It has a very lo g half life.

http://www.coloradogreenlab.com/blog/eagle-20-and-myclobutanil.

It is toxic to amphibians and other aquatic life.

http://www.pesticideinfo.org/Detail_Chemical.jsp?Rec_Id=PC120

Here. You are smoking hydrogen cyanide.

http://learn.woahstork.com/grow/the-dangers-of-inorganic-fungicides

It has a low acute toxicity. Meaning it isn't the one time exposed to it. It is the repeated exposure. Studies show all kinds of effect from repeated exposure.

http://www.toxipedia.org/display/toxipedia/Myclobutanil



It bad shit dude. It is meant for ornamental and very few eaten crops. It was never meant for a crop you burn and inhale.


You want to rid pm? Increased airflow, lower humidity and uv lights will take care of it.


I am disappointed and think less of lazy ignorant pot growers that use dangerous stuff lime eagle 20 and try to justify it.

 

[whitebb2727]

Whatever dude. You know you are wrong. Peace out.

 

[Norby Grown]

Listen here you oversized dumbass meathead, I used it twice, I don't use it anymore other than those 2 times 1.5 years ago. Even a dumbass like you should be able to understand this surely.
At least I'm not too lazy to learn. It's not "banned" on tobacco, it hasn't been tested as to how long it lingers on tobacco. And tobacco also gives off hydrogen cyanide when burned, dumbass!

Again, respect from people who are a bunch of brainwashed unrespectful parrots doesn't really bother me. The reason no one speaks up is because you have driven anyone who thinks for themselves off the board or quieted them by bashing their ability to think for themselves.

Now if you could tell me how much HC comes off a cigrette and how many PPB you would have to have in a joint to equal the amount of HC that comes off a cigarette maybe I'd listen.

But as it stands eagle 20 can be used safely if you follow certain guidelines and get tests done. If you let arguments stand on their merit you wouldn't have anything to say.

The reason I said I only used it twice is because I don't think it's right to use it on every crop or on a crop more than once. But you don't care about that because you are just out to argue about something you know nothing about.

Once again you lazy stupid cunt. It is banned on tobacco because it creates hydrogen cyanide when burned.

Hydrogen cyanide.

Go ahead and smoke you shitty weed with hydrogen cyanide.

You think you will actually get any respect from anyone here? No. There is a reason no one is agreeing with you.

You say it has a low acute toxicity. That's if eaten. You don't have the intelligence to grasp the dangers of what you are doing.

Any farmer that uses shit like eagle 20 is lazy. Period.

I grow organic. Cannabis and vegetables.

Maybe I shouldn't call names, I try to let arguments stand on their own merits. I just get tired of people using dangerous chemicals and trying to make others think its ok. Its not. You have no leg to stand on.

I can tell you this, part of my job in the military was hazardous material handling, storage and disposal. With dangerous chemicals like eagle 20 its not the once or twice you are exposed to it. Its the repeated exposure.

Go beyond that and the fact it creates cyanide when burned no telling the damage you've done to yourself or others. Sometimes it takes years for it to show up.

I'm sure you know you are in the wrong or you wouldn't be trying to justify it by saying "I only used it twice."

 

[Norby Grown]

Whatever dude. You know you are wrong. Peace out.

LOL