Meet the progressive that's going to hand Joe Manchin his ass in the Democratic primary; Paula Jean

[ttystikk]

Whichever candidate wins, you donate $50 to my charity, I donate $50 to your charity

Don't you think it's kind of weird to support the bluedog Democrat over the actual progressive? And to bet on it at that? I know I'd feel weird about that, especially after claiming I'm some Russian propaganda tool to help get Trump elected.. Even if you win, you lose..

Think about it. Who would want a blue dog Democrat?

 

[Fogdog]

Think about it. Who would want a blue dog Democrat?

Up until now, voters in W VA.

It's completely reasonable to advocate change elsewhere, even donate time and money to primary a blue dog. What I don't understand is why you think people in W VA shouldn't pick the person they want.

 

[UncleBuck]

Think about it. Who would want a blue dog Democrat?

about 60% of west virginians.

 

[SneekyNinja]

The vote is local because voters in the locale vote for whom they want to represent them. It's their choice. Not saying outside money can't be used in the form of donations to the candidate they want. Too much of that is not good but them's the rules until we change them. Both Democratic candidates, Manchin or what's her face are supportive of repealing the Citizen's United ruling, so there is that. The whinger in the video, at least he got the idea right that the election is in the hands of W VA's voters.

Somehow Bernie's babies seem to think that California has a right to select W VA's next representative. I guess you do to. Neither are correct, in fact.

I mean not to impose my will upon anyone, I'm just saying small local decisions make big ripples and we should "encourage" the Democrat candidate likely to win.

 

[ttystikk]

Up until now, voters in W VA.

It's completely reasonable to advocate change elsewhere, even donate time and money to primary a blue dog. What I don't understand is why you think people in W VA shouldn't pick the person they want.

Quote where I said that.

 

[ttystikk]

about 60% of west virginians.

You missed my point entirely.

 

[UncleBuck]

You missed my point entirely.

you asked who would want a blue dog democrat, i told you exactly who.

 

[Fogdog]

Quote where I said that.

That whinger on the video was talking as if the only way what's her name could lose is skulduggery. I've heard similar from you regarding national primaries last year. It's a Bernie Sanders supporter's thing. "If we win, it was a fair election." Unfair of me to lump you in with Others that I've been corresponding with.

 

[Fogdog]

I mean not to impose my will upon anyone, I'm just saying small local decisions make big ripples and we should "encourage" the Democrat candidate likely to win.

Local voters can take that into account if they wish. For myself, I vote for whom I want in primaries and my choice doesn't win, which is often the case. Because liberal candidates hardly ever win majority votes, I get behind the next best but winnable candidate who is not a right wing consumertive in the fall.

 

[ttystikk]

That whinger on the video was talking as if the only way what's her name could lose is skulduggery. I've heard similar from you regarding national primaries last year. It's a Bernie Sanders supporter's thing. "If we win, it was a fair election." Unfair of me to lump you in with Others that I've been corresponding with.

I will clarify; I think the WV voters would be better served by a hard left progressive but any Democrat will do. And yes it is their choice. Let's see how smart they are with it.

you asked who would want a blue dog democrat, i told you exactly who.

We'll see. If they do, let's hope it works out better than it has for them in the past.

 

[ttystikk]

Local voters can take that into account if they wish. For myself, I vote for whom I want in primaries and my choice doesn't win, which is often the case. Because liberal candidates hardly ever win majority votes, I get behind the next best but winnable candidate who is not a right wing consumertive in the fall.

I did the same. In my precinct it was 80 for Bernie and 16 for Clinton.

When Bernie lost the nomination, I still showed up and voted for Clinton in November.

 

[Padawanbater2]

The candidate that the whingers like seemed interesting. I don't live in W VA. I hope they pick somebody they like and wins in the fall. The whinger in the video pretty much did what he could to promote her with his audience. I wonder how many in W VA. listen to that whinger.

Buck is right in that Manchin has an advantage right now. I suppose it would be too much to expect that Bernie's boyz would respect the will of the voters in W VA to pick their own candidate who supports the issues they want represented. But if what's her name wins the primary, I'll be good with that.

"whinger"?

You're saying you would rather have a Senator representing WV like Manchin if that's what the WV citizens want than someone instituted by some outside influence. Jean is from WV, Justice Democrats have selected her to run against Manchin in his next primary because she has pledged not to take corporate or Super PAC money and actually represents progressive values. This is how democracy works. This is when WV voters get to choose for themselves which candidate they support. It's not how you attempt to frame it, as if someone from California came in and set up shop just to implement their liberal agenda in the deep, deep red backwoods of WV, so obviously they have no chance of beating the Republicans there!.. If they choose Jean over Manchin, and I'm sure they will, especially if Sanders endorses her, who are you to stand in the way of that?

Justice Democrats aren't handicapped by only supporting the ACA, they can openly and honestly say they support medicare for all. The Republican position is "you poor? FUCK YOU!", not even a contest. Universal college? Raising the minimum wage? Americans are on our side on nearly every single issue.. If you guys want to dismiss polls, feel free, but it'll be at your own peril in the long run..

 

[SneekyNinja]

"whinger"?

You're saying you would rather have a Senator representing WV like Manchin if that's what the WV citizens want than someone instituted by some outside influence. Jean is from WV, Justice Democrats have selected her to run against Manchin in his next primary because she has pledged not to take corporate or Super PAC money and actually represents progressive values. This is how democracy works. This is when WV voters get to choose for themselves which candidate they support. It's not how you attempt to frame it, as if someone from California came in and set up shop just to implement their liberal agenda in the deep, deep red backwoods of WV, so obviously they have no chance of beating the Republicans there!.. If they choose Jean over Manchin, and I'm sure they will, especially if Sanders endorses her, who are you to stand in the way of that?

Justice Democrats aren't handicapped by only supporting the ACA, they can openly and honestly say they support medicare for all. The Republican position is "you poor? FUCK YOU!", not even a contest. Universal college? Raising the minimum wage? Americans are on our side on nearly every single issue.. If you guys want to dismiss polls, feel free, but it'll be at your own peril in the long run..

Why can't "Justice Democrats" run on their own name if they're so popular and such an "unstoppable force"?

If Bernie is so popular across the spectrum why didn't he run Indy?

 

[Padawanbater2]

Why can't "Justice Democrats" run on their own name if they're so popular and such an "unstoppable force"?

If Bernie is so popular across the spectrum why didn't he run Indy?

Not sure what you mean, they are running on their own name. They're funding their campaigns by donations from average Americans. They're walking the walk, exactly like I've been espousing for years on this forum. If you don't take campaign contributions from corporations or Super PACs, you're not beholden to special interests. If you fund your campaign via individual donations, you have to represent those individuals who donated or else they won't donate to you again. It incorporates a factor of verifiable results automatically into the platform of every JD candidate. If you don't produce results, we will replace you with someone who will by donating to them instead of you.

Unfortunately, today, the war of politics is waged with money. They have a lot more of it than we do, but that's changing. People are waking up to the fact that American politicians are largely bought by special interests. There are only 6 members of congress that don't take corporate donations or Super PAC money, and look at the state of the Union at the moment. Anyone who denies the financial influence of corporations and special interests in politics doesn't exist is living in a fantasy reality.

Sanders is a sitting senator.. again, what are you talking about? He did run, he won, multiple times and he's now the most popular politician in America because of the policies he supports.

 

[SneekyNinja]

Not sure what you mean, they are running on their own name. They're funding their campaigns by donations from average Americans. They're walking the walk, exactly like I've been espousing for years on this forum. If you don't take campaign contributions from corporations or Super PACs, you're not beholden to special interests. If you fund your campaign via individual donations, you have to represent those individuals who donated or else they won't donate to you again. It incorporates a factor of verifiable results automatically into the platform of every JD candidate. If you don't produce results, we will replace you with someone who will by donating to them instead of you.

Unfortunately, today, the war of politics is waged with money. They have a lot more of it than we do, but that's changing. People are waking up to the fact that American politicians are largely bought by special interests. There are only 6 members of congress that don't take corporate donations or Super PAC money, and look at the state of the Union at the moment. Anyone who denies the financial influence of corporations and special interests in politics doesn't exist is living in a fantasy reality.

Sanders is a sitting senator.. again, what are you talking about? He did run, he won, multiple times and he's now the most popular politician in America because of the policies he supports.

So why you running them in the Democrat primary?

Why did Sanders run in the Democrat Presidental Primary?

You're a delusional mental case dude, stick to duct tape.

It's not even something we can agree to disagree on, you're just saying things that are plainly false.

At least Tty is honest and wants to change the ethos of the Democrats further left, I can dig that but I'm more of a "gradualist".

 

[ttystikk]

So why you running them in the Democrat primary?

Why did Sanders run in the Democrat Presidental Primary?

You're a delusional mental case dude, stick to duct tape.

It's not even something we can agree to disagree on, you're just saying things that are plainly false.

At least Tty is honest and wants to change the ethos of the Democrats further left, I can dig that but I'm more of a "gradualist".

Nothing those candidates are doing is against any of the rules. Why are you so terrified of the idea of citizen funded campaigns?

You aren't smart enough to call anyone else delusional, Stinkydigit.

Look where gradualism has gotten our country over the last 40 years. I'm not a gradualist anymore.

 

[Fogdog]

Nothing those candidates are doing is against any of the rules. Why are you so terrified of the idea of citizen funded campaigns?

You aren't smart enough to call anyone else delusional, Stinkydigit.

Look where gradualism has gotten our country over the last 40 years. I'm not a gradualist anymore.

Which is why I don't think you can call yourself a progressive.

 

[SneekyNinja]

Nothing those candidates are doing is against any of the rules. Why are you so terrified of the idea of citizen funded campaigns?

You aren't smart enough to call anyone else delusional, Stinkydigit.

Look where gradualism has gotten our country over the last 40 years. I'm not a gradualist anymore.

I'm saying if your candidates are so universally popular then why do they need to run as part of the Democrat Party at all? Why not start your own "whiner justice party" if you're "polling 60% nationally"?

 

[ttystikk]

Which is why I don't think you can call yourself a progressive.

Explain. I see no conflict.

 

[Fogdog]

Explain. I see no conflict.

Progressive supports making progress, not radical change. Hence "progressive" gradualist is somebody who supports gradual changed, like a progressive. You are a bit shrill about it all happening right away. To the point where you offend people who would accept progress without hitting all the bumpers in your political pinball table. Yet there is no peaceful path to do that.