Decarb 3 year old bubble ?

[ROOSTERMAN]

I have some old bubble about 3-5 years old, which I want to turn into a tincture, Is decarbing even necessary at that age ?
Would I wind up converting THC/THC-a into CBN, This would may even be beneficial for my purposes as im a true light weight ?

 

[thezephyr]

I have some old bubble about 3-5 years old, which I want to turn into a tincture, Is decarbing even necessary at that age ?
Would I wind up converting THC/THC-a into CBN, This would may even be beneficial for my purposes as im a true light weight ?

hey rooster, if you still need an answer I'd say don't decarb. decarbing breaks down trace cannabinoids into primarily activated thc. so especially if your worried about it being too strong and wanting all the beneficial medical attributes intact, just make your infusion as usual without a decarb step.

 

[chemphlegm]

I have some old bubble about 3-5 years old, which I want to turn into a tincture, Is decarbing even necessary at that age ?
Would I wind up converting THC/THC-a into CBN, This would may even be beneficial for my purposes as im a true light weight ?

I bet there will be no further decarb possible
tincture to your hearts content

 

[Fogdog]

I have some old bubble about 3-5 years old, which I want to turn into a tincture, Is decarbing even necessary at that age ?
Would I wind up converting THC/THC-a into CBN, This would may even be beneficial for my purposes as im a true light weight ?

Four different conversions are contained in your question.
THC-a ----> THC (decarboxylation)
THC -------> CBN (oxidation)
CBD-a -----> CBD (decarboxylation)
CBD --------> ? (oxidation)

Also, terpenes can convert, oxidize and evaporate during heat-driven decarboxylation of your bubble.

All of these reactions take place at different rates. So, what you are asking is really complicated. From what I've read, decarb of THC-a is the fastest of the four reactions listed above. As @chemphlegm says, the THC-a has probably already completely converted. That said, CBD-a rate of decarb is significantly slower than THC-a decarb rate. CBD-a may not have entirely converted to CBD after 3 years. I haven't seen any studies on this so it's just a guess on my part. This is all a guess without chem analysis.

It sounds like you are interested in the terpenes and/or CBD. If you are interested in terpenes, then don't heat the herb. If you are interested in CBD, then to be sure it's all converted, I'd decarb. If you are interested in THC, then you I would not decarb.

I've been experimenting with lower temperature decarb using a water bath to control temperature with good results. The purpose is to reduce oxidation, keep more terpenes and avoid stinking up the house. . From my experience, you could probably decarb your bubble by placing your loosely stoppered vial into a zip lock bag and immersing the bag in simmering, not boiling water for 2 hours. Assuming decarboxylation is still possible in your stuff, you'll need to weight the bag to keep it from floating. Another option (that I haven't tried) would be to place the loosely stoppered vial in an otherwise empty mason jar, seal the mason jar and immerse it in simmering water. You'll need to weigh the jar down too.

Please note that decarboxylation generates carbon dioxide, which if confined in a fixed small space will develop pressure. If you heat the "bubble" in a sealed glass vial, the container can break under pressure. This is why I emphasize "loosely stoppered". A mason jar is designed to leak off excess pressure through the sealed lid and so, won't develop pressure either from gas expansion or CO2 generation.

I'm haven't invested in chemical analysis. I test with my head. Not very scientific, but my head knows how high I get. Just saying that I'm speaking from personal experience and not hard data.

https://www.rollitup.org/t/sous-vide-for-decarboxylation.906933/

 

[ROOSTERMAN]

Thanks for the replys

but they only confused me even more, So I decided to just make 2 small batches.

1 decarbed in a oven at 250F for 20 minutes, The other no decarb just natural ageing

Their both soaking in rum at the moment, Now im just looking to find a micron syringe filter for alcohol. and I can start my dosage

 

[ANC]

Unless you decarb or heat press it, I think the THC starts breaking down after a year.

 

[ROOSTERMAN]

Unless you decarb or heat press it, I think the THC starts breaking down after a year.

I know you are correct but the question is how fast does it break down and into what does it break down into ? ?


I have had both bud and bubble older than what im presently working with, While I personally never sampled it, the guys that did actually loved it, and happly took the rest.


I think I evaporated my tincture down to far now, it smells like most of the alcohol has evaporated.

Should I just mix back in some alcohol ? or fully evaporate it and then re absorb it into alcohol ?

 

[Fogdog]

I know you are correct but the question is how fast does it break down and into what does it break down into ? ?


I have had both bud and bubble older than what im presently working with, While I personally never sampled it, the guys that did actually loved it, and happly took the rest.


I think I evaporated my tincture down to far now, it smells like most of the alcohol has evaporated.

Should I just mix back in some alcohol ? or fully evaporate it and then re absorb it into alcohol ?

Some THC degraded over the three years. Pretty much all the THCa is gone.

http://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/data-and-analysis/bulletin/bulletin_1997-01-01_1_page008.html

The above were results from bud stored at room temperature. How the material was stored and in what form might matter.

THC degrades to CBN mostly.

 

[ROOSTERMAN]

Some THC degraded over the three years. Pretty much all the THCa is gone.

http://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/data-and-analysis/bulletin/bulletin_1997-01-01_1_page008.html

The above were results from bud stored at room temperature. How the material was stored and in what form might matter.

THC degrades to CBN mostly.

Great link, Exactly what I was looking for

The Cbn interests me more than the Thc . . . I think ? ?


I gave the no decarb batch a shot last night . . . . No luck but that does not surprise me at the tiny dose I took ? I

 

[Fogdog]

I know you are correct but the question is how fast does it break down and into what does it break down into ? ?


Should I just mix back in some alcohol ? or fully evaporate it and then re absorb it into alcohol ?

If I were you, I would not try to decarb and would just add alcohol back to make a tincture. You can always evaporate out the alcohol later if you decide the non-decarbed tincture doesn't do anything for you.

Great link, Exactly what I was looking for

The Cbn interests me more than the Thc . . . I think ? ?


I gave the no decarb batch a shot last night . . . . No luck but that does not surprise me at the tiny dose I took ? I

CBN is short for Canabinnol and isn't the good stuff. If you are a grower, it's why you want to avoid too many amber trichs, which contain the breakdown product of THC into CBN.

CBD, is short for Canabidiol and is the stuff that people say is medicine.

I think you are right to experiment with your own response to find out what to do. Also right to start small.