Defoliation and CO2

Dumme

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Above, I did just post some articles supporting defoliation.
I agree with @Dr.Nick Riviera. I can't see how those studies on leaflets with trifoliata, and a study on a monocot (grass), are relevant to this discussion with increasing cannabis flower yield.

Maybe I missed something. Please state your case, as opposed to just posting links. Where do you make the link?
 

KryptoBud

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Firstly, saying an object which is casting a shadow isn't blocking light is just plain dumb. Secondly, the parts of the light that do travel through a top leaf are useless to any leaves below because the wavelengths they need have been absorbed by the chlorophyll in the top leaf. A leaf doesn't absorb 'light', it absorbs wavelength frequencies. Also, when people talk about light penetration, they are referring to the relative drop off in light intensity from source, not how many layers of leaves it can zap through - otherwise why would plants bother growing towards the sun if light penetrates everything?? Maybe the rainforest canopy is just a myth! Plus by your logic you'd only need 1 light bulb for the whole world lol! And yes of course the sun is the most powerful light in the solar system, though I wasn't really disputing that, plus the exact difference between outdoors and indoors growing is they're two totally separate growing environments so of course somethings will be done different.
And yes I agree you can't trust everyone on here, though please show me anywhere online where you can. Plus, I still find pics always trump no pics, and the issue of verification comes into play afterwards. Oh, and if you could send me links to all these controlled double blind lab tests on cannabis that you have access to, please do indeed - if you can show me academic papers and sources then I will truely apologise for thinking you to be so ill-formed.
Not sure about all plants, but in the case of cannabis wind pollination comes to mind. Growing against the gravitational pull, maybe? I think that's how seeds sprout when there is no sun or leaves until it breaks ground. The scientific name of it is tropism or phototropism. Plants produce auxins that bend and turn leaves allowing it to absorb as much light as possible. In this thread you say light can't penetrate or is useless to the leaves below and needynate says you're not supposed to defoliate outdoors. Why not? Wouldn't defoliation work better outdoors? See the contradiction? Also keep this in mind, this plant is still illegal for many of us to grow. What some think can be used to prove growing techniques can also be used to send you on a state sponsored vacation. We're debating whether or not stripping a plant of it's leaves is beneficial or not. Pictures don't mean a fuckin thing without having both sides grown side by side by someone who doesn't have an opinion on it. None of us in this thread qualify nor does growweedeasy, iluvdefol, iluvleaves, bigstembigbuds, or shits heads like 3lbs a light who try to sell a $500 magazine and nutrients to the blind and dumb.


i dont take off bottom leafs i leave them there fo that matter i try to leave as much large bottom leaves as possible .its all about knowing how to do it.defoliating isnt for people who dont know what their doing
Translation I have no idea what I'm talking about I seen it on youtube.
Here's pic


Stress the shit outta your plants by removing leaves closest to the light source so the bottom leaves get more light?
 

vostok

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Defoilating or de-leafing is one of the most misunderstood techniques of drug Cannabis cultivation. In the mind of the cultivator,several reasons exist for removing leaves. Many feel that large shade leaves draw energy from the flowering plant, and therefore the flowering clusters will be smaller. It is felt that by removing the leaves, surplus energy will be available, and large floral clusters will be formed. Also, some feel that inhibitors of flowering, synthesized in the leaves during the long noninductive days of summer, may be stored in the older leaves that were formed during the noninductive photoperiod.

If these inhibitor-laden leaves are removed, the plant will proceed to flower, and maturation will be accelerated. Large leaves shade the inner portions of the plant, and small atrophied floral clusters may begin to develop if they receive more light.
In actuality, few if any of the theories behind defoilatin or de-leafing give any indication of validity. Indeed, leafing possibly serves to defeat its original purpose. Large leaves have a definite function in the growth and development of Cannabis. Large leaves serve as photosynthetic factories for the production of sugars and other necessary growth sub-stances. They also create shade, but at the same time they are collecting valuable solar energy and producing foods that will be used during the floral development of the plant.

Premature removal of leaves may cause stunting, because the potential for photosynthesis is reduced. As these leaves age and lose their ability to carry on photo-synthesis they turn chloro tie (yellow) and fall to the ground. In humid areas care is taken to remove the yellow or brown leaves, because they might invite attack by fungus.

During chlorosis the plant breaks down substances, such as chlorophylls, and translocates the molecular components to a new growing part of the plant, such as the flowers. Most Cannabis plants begin to lose their larger leaves when they enter the flowering stage, and this trend continues until senescence. It is more efficient for the plant to reuse the energy and various molecular components of existing chlorophyll than to synthesize new chlorophyll at the time of flowering. During flowering this energy is needed to form floral clusters and ripen seeds.

Removing large amounts of leaves will interfere with the metabolic balance of the plant. If this metabolic change occurs too late in the season it could interfere with floral development and delay maturation. If any floral inhibitors are removed, the intended effect of accelerating flowering will be counteracted by metabolic upset in the plant.

Removal of shade leaves does facilitate more light reaching the center of the plant, but if there is not enough food energy produced in the leaves, the small internal floral clusters will not grow any larger. Leaf removal
may also cause sex reversal resulting from a metabolic change.

Marijuana Botany.Clarke
 

Dumme

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Defoilating or de-leafing is one of the most misunderstood techniques of drug Cannabis cultivation. In the mind of the cultivator,several reasons exist for removing leaves. Many feel that large shade leaves draw energy from the flowering plant, and therefore the flowering clusters will be smaller. It is felt that by removing the leaves, surplus energy will be available, and large floral clusters will be formed. Also, some feel that inhibitors of flowering, synthesized in the leaves during the long noninductive days of summer, may be stored in the older leaves that were formed during the noninductive photoperiod.

If these inhibitor-laden leaves are removed, the plant will proceed to flower, and maturation will be accelerated. Large leaves shade the inner portions of the plant, and small atrophied floral clusters may begin to develop if they receive more light.
In actuality, few if any of the theories behind defoilatin or de-leafing give any indication of validity. Indeed, leafing possibly serves to defeat its original purpose. Large leaves have a definite function in the growth and development of Cannabis. Large leaves serve as photosynthetic factories for the production of sugars and other necessary growth sub-stances. They also create shade, but at the same time they are collecting valuable solar energy and producing foods that will be used during the floral development of the plant.

Premature removal of leaves may cause stunting, because the potential for photosynthesis is reduced. As these leaves age and lose their ability to carry on photo-synthesis they turn chloro tie (yellow) and fall to the ground. In humid areas care is taken to remove the yellow or brown leaves, because they might invite attack by fungus.

During chlorosis the plant breaks down substances, such as chlorophylls, and translocates the molecular components to a new growing part of the plant, such as the flowers. Most Cannabis plants begin to lose their larger leaves when they enter the flowering stage, and this trend continues until senescence. It is more efficient for the plant to reuse the energy and various molecular components of existing chlorophyll than to synthesize new chlorophyll at the time of flowering. During flowering this energy is needed to form floral clusters and ripen seeds.

Removing large amounts of leaves will interfere with the metabolic balance of the plant. If this metabolic change occurs too late in the season it could interfere with floral development and delay maturation. If any floral inhibitors are removed, the intended effect of accelerating flowering will be counteracted by metabolic upset in the plant.

Removal of shade leaves does facilitate more light reaching the center of the plant, but if there is not enough food energy produced in the leaves, the small internal floral clusters will not grow any larger. Leaf removal
may also cause sex reversal resulting from a metabolic change.

Marijuana Botany.Clarke
Excellent information!
 

Dumme

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Defoilating or de-leafing is one of the most misunderstood techniques of drug Cannabis cultivation. In the mind of the cultivator,several reasons exist for removing leaves. Many feel that large shade leaves draw energy from the flowering plant, and therefore the flowering clusters will be smaller. It is felt that by removing the leaves, surplus energy will be available, and large floral clusters will be formed. Also, some feel that inhibitors of flowering, synthesized in the leaves during the long noninductive days of summer, may be stored in the older leaves that were formed during the noninductive photoperiod.

If these inhibitor-laden leaves are removed, the plant will proceed to flower, and maturation will be accelerated. Large leaves shade the inner portions of the plant, and small atrophied floral clusters may begin to develop if they receive more light.
In actuality, few if any of the theories behind defoilatin or de-leafing give any indication of validity. Indeed, leafing possibly serves to defeat its original purpose. Large leaves have a definite function in the growth and development of Cannabis. Large leaves serve as photosynthetic factories for the production of sugars and other necessary growth sub-stances. They also create shade, but at the same time they are collecting valuable solar energy and producing foods that will be used during the floral development of the plant.

Premature removal of leaves may cause stunting, because the potential for photosynthesis is reduced. As these leaves age and lose their ability to carry on photo-synthesis they turn chloro tie (yellow) and fall to the ground. In humid areas care is taken to remove the yellow or brown leaves, because they might invite attack by fungus.

During chlorosis the plant breaks down substances, such as chlorophylls, and translocates the molecular components to a new growing part of the plant, such as the flowers. Most Cannabis plants begin to lose their larger leaves when they enter the flowering stage, and this trend continues until senescence. It is more efficient for the plant to reuse the energy and various molecular components of existing chlorophyll than to synthesize new chlorophyll at the time of flowering. During flowering this energy is needed to form floral clusters and ripen seeds.

Removing large amounts of leaves will interfere with the metabolic balance of the plant. If this metabolic change occurs too late in the season it could interfere with floral development and delay maturation. If any floral inhibitors are removed, the intended effect of accelerating flowering will be counteracted by metabolic upset in the plant.

Removal of shade leaves does facilitate more light reaching the center of the plant, but if there is not enough food energy produced in the leaves, the small internal floral clusters will not grow any larger. Leaf removal
may also cause sex reversal resulting from a metabolic change.

Marijuana Botany.Clarke
Im really impressed. Finally a cannabis author that knows his shit. Wow, I can't believe I haven't heard of this book up until now. Lol

It's almost as if he wrote a book on normal plant botany, then put "marijuana" on the cover. (Pun intended)
 

RedWhiteBlueGreen

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Not sure about all plants, but in the case of cannabis wind pollination comes to mind. Growing against the gravitational pull, maybe? I think that's how seeds sprout when there is no sun or leaves until it breaks ground. The scientific name of it is tropism or phototropism. Plants produce auxins that bend and turn leaves allowing it to absorb as much light as possible. In this thread you say light can't penetrate or is useless to the leaves below and needynate says you're not supposed to defoliate outdoors. Why not? Wouldn't defoliation work better outdoors? See the contradiction? Also keep this in mind, this plant is still illegal for many of us to grow. What some think can be used to prove growing techniques can also be used to send you on a state sponsored vacation. We're debating whether or not stripping a plant of it's leaves is beneficial or not. Pictures don't mean a fuckin thing without having both sides grown side by side by someone who doesn't have an opinion on it. None of us in this thread qualify nor does growweedeasy, iluvdefol, iluvleaves, bigstembigbuds, or shits heads like 3lbs a light who try to sell a $500 magazine and nutrients to the blind and dumb.



Translation I have no idea what I'm talking about I seen it on youtube.
Here's pic


Stress the shit outta your plants by removing leaves closest to the light source so the bottom leaves get more light?

Lol are you even serious??!! You're not sure why all plants grow upwards and in the case of cannabis you think it might be to aid wind pollination??! And you're having the audacity to criticise my knowledge??! That alone qualifies you to be disregarded from any discussion! And yet like Dumme, a person who knows the least (and you added an unsure 'maybe' into your own statement lol!) always seems to be the one most jumping on other people's opinions and calling them psuedo-science - you don't even know real fcuking science mush! Now I have plenty admitted I both don't fully know or even condone defoliating yet, but I came on here hoping to learn & intelligently discuss the topic, not deal with dickheads just calling everything they disagree (or more to the point, don't know about lol!) bullshit anytime anyone types.

And also, why the hell would a plant feel the need to specifically grow against earth's gravitional pull???!! What would that gain it then??! Lol! And the trophism prefix you're looking for is geotropism - that's just another nail in your coffin too - spouting big ideas and not even knowing the terminology! As for the rest of your confused and convoluted bullshit on defoliating and outdoors, I ain't even gonna bother answering as (a) it'll go over your head and, (b) you've clearly got some super magic science already nailed down so good luck cracking on with that!
 
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RedWhiteBlueGreen

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In fact I was reading thread on other section last week of some guy saying he thought RIU was dying - tbh I'm starting to see his point now: alot of knowledgeable growers & willing teachers seem to have left the site since I was last here, and loads more postings now seem to end up degenerating into slanging matches of people defending whatever position. I mean, apart from Needynate posting his bits, it's taken to page 9 till someone like Vostock kindly posts some more actual intelligent & in-depth information - hell, the OP has clearly given the hell up to expecting an answer to his actual original question, which was about fcuking CO2 lol!! I used to learn loads from this website and now it's just attracted too many kids talking shit like they're on the YouTube comments section.

In fact, for both Dumme & Krypto, I reckon it'd be interesting to review all your posts to date and see how many were where you offered advice & helped people, and how many are just straight trolling calling people idiots? I suspect I can guess the rough percentage. And how old are you two as well?
 
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Dumme

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In fact I was reading thread on other section last week of some guy saying he thought RIU was dying - tbh I'm starting to see his point now: alot of knowledgeable growers & willing teachers seem to have left the site, and loads more postings seem to end up degenerating into slanging matches of people defending whatever position. I mean, apart from Needynate posting his bits, it's taken to page 9 till someone like Vostock kindly posts some more actual intelligent & in-depth information - I used to learn loads from this website and now it's just attracted too many kids talking shit like they're on the YouTube comments section.

In fact, for both Dumme & Krypto, I reckon it'd be interesting to review all your posts to date and see how many were where you offered advice & helped people, and how many are just straight trolling calling people idiots. I suspect I can guess the rough percentage. And how old are you two as well?
Well, how many time should I need to post the same thing over and over.

https://www.rollitup.org/t/three-a-light.906899/page-8#post-13516554

There's a ton of these defoliation threads on RIU, and it gets old, fast. About once a week, and then we have dumbass like yourself, egging the process on. This thread should have been over months ago.
 

Dumme

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Funny thing is, this thread was dead back in 2016, and it wasn't till needynate started shit with me on sunday, that I even came back in here.

RedWhiteBlueGreen, you wanna lay blame to me posting, blame him for tagging me. ...and now it seems youre butthurt.
 

RedWhiteBlueGreen

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You spout that people are just here slagging off people and then you write shit like that. Hypocrisy at its finest.

Says the noob who told me to fuck off!?! Lol! The difference is I didn't start it though if people wanna then I'll happily finish it. It's already been proven that your knowledge is very poorly constructed, and you're clearly an arrogant, condescending prick who loves trolling - I've no problem calling you out for the runt of a cunt you clearly are, and the same goes for that Dumme & Krypto wankers - if you guys hadn't felt the need to get rude & opinionated then it would've stayed a nice, constructive discussion.
 

Dumme

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Says the noob who told me to fuck off!?! Lol! The difference is I didn't start it though if people wanna then I'll happily finish it. It's already been proven that your knowledge is very poorly constructed, and you're clearly an arrogant, condescending prick who loves trolling - I've no problem calling you out for the runt of a cunt you clearly are, and the same goes for that Dumme & Krypto wankers - if you guys hadn't felt the need to get rude & opinionated then it would've stayed a nice, constructive discussion.

Lol
 

JDMase

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Says the noob who told me to fuck off!?! Lol! The difference is I didn't start it though if people wanna then I'll happily finish it. It's already been proven that your knowledge is very poorly constructed, and you're clearly an arrogant, condescending prick who loves trolling - I've no problem calling you out for the runt of a cunt you clearly are, and the same goes for that Dumme & Krypto wankers - if you guys hadn't felt the need to get rude & opinionated then it would've stayed a nice, constructive discussion.
Yeah I did tell you to fuck off but im not being a hypocrite am i? I stand by telling you that.
 

Dumme

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The difference is I didn't start it though
...um, yes you really did. Page 7
Oh and Dumme (which is so ironically apt btw!), this will be the last time I respond to you as I was too polite to console Needynate with it earlier, though I'm happy to say it now you're clearly itching to get nasty again, the reason being is the old proverb poser of who is more stupid; an idiot or a man who argues with an idiot?

So for the last time of being that man - you say leaves 'never' block light??! Hmmmmm, so I guess chloropyhll (and all surrounding leaf tissue) is deviously translucent despite looking like a solid colour block, yet somehow magically is still able to absorb light into it's translucent cells yet then somehow also releases it all again after absorption and it restores back to the light all the energy it deducted & used right?! (The answers no btw) And I'm not disputing photosynthesis occurs either. Secondly you pretty much can look at it as 1 leave blocking another because that's what's fecking happening!! Yes energy is relocated, as it is in any living organism, yet the plant still needs to maximise light yield - otherwise by your logic, 1 lone leaf could power the whole plant fine lol! And the limit in water uptake due to reduced stomatas is negligible enough to be obsolete as a factor, if you're defoliating and not stripping it bare.

Sorry to break it to you dude as I was trying to be nice earlier yet it's sadly ironic that the one person constantly accusing others of psuedo science is the one spouting the most and just mixing it with random biology facts.
You came in trying to defend your lil friend, needynate. ..and since he's the one that started shit with me Sunday, I'd say you're both rightfully full on asses.
 

needynate

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Funny thing is, this thread was dead back in 2016, and it wasn't till needynate started shit with me on sunday, that I even came back in here.

RedWhiteBlueGreen, you wanna lay blame to me posting, blame him for tagging me. ...and now it seems youre butthurt.
yea laugh like the dumb little bitch u are.. ur a wannabe with no proof of anything .. u and ur boyfriends need a reality check.. i didn't start shit with u . i simply stated u needed to do more research.. u then turned into a total idiot and made things real hostile ,. u really should just go read instead of writing all this bs , real talk kid! u dont know how to handle the truth clearly.. straight ignorant
 
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