Is this over crowded? Shold I throw a plant out?

Psychonautic Tendencies

Psychonautic Tendencies

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How big is the grow tent, what type/wattage of light. Assuming it's a 600w hps or equiv, you could definitely fit all 5. Although you wouldn't have too. I do 4 under 6 when I scrog, right now I only have 3 >.<
 
Johnei

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At this stage it looks nice, but if you plan to grow them for another while, and then also considering when you flip the lights to flower they get even bigger and more bushy, I'm pretty sure you would want just 4 in there and will do the job and fill the whole tent/canopy. with 5 probably will have too much bushiness all the leaves touching and mold/powdery mildew concern.. maybe.
 
Jason0121do1

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Johnei said:
At this stage it looks nice, but if you plan to grow them for another while, and then also considering when you flip the lights to flower they get even bigger and more bushy, I'm pretty sure you would want just 4 in there and will do the job and fill the whole tent/canopy. with 5 probably will have too much bushiness all the leaves touching and mold/powdery mildew concern.. maybe.
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Yh I know they grow double in size when in flowering.

That's exactly what I was thinking going to be over crowded
 
Flowki

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You'll cover the foot print much better if you use 2-2-1 lay out. Put the weakest plant on it's own in the floor space under the bulbs screw in point (closer to the wall though) raise it up to height with a wood block or w/e. Atm you have two big gaps either side of the middle small plant and that is some of the best light getting wasted.

The leaves are ok to over lap a bit as long as you have good canopy movement and a de-hue if humidity is an issue. You don't want to see gaps in the middle 3x3 area as thats the best light, so move the 2-2-1 lay out as close together as you can get them (you can edge them out during stretch as they expand). Gaps on the out side edges of the tent are no real issue as the light intensity by that point is not as good anyway. Give the 4 best plants light priority.
 
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dadio161

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5 shorter plants will produce more buds than 4 taller plants . Growing them taller will look cool but light will not get to bottom of plants . Just more branches . If you flip to flower now ... harvest will be done that much sooner . You will want to make some kind of trellis during week three because the beginning of week 5 , buds will start to get heavy and lean over . Possibly breaking a stem or two .
 
Jason0121do1

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dadio161 said:
5 shorter plants will produce more buds than 4 taller plants . Growing them taller will look cool but light will not get to bottom of plants . Just more branches . If you flip to flower now ... harvest will be done that much sooner . You will want to make some kind of trellis during week three because the beginning of week 5 , buds will start to get heavy and lean over . Possibly breaking a stem or two .
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Thank you. What I'd trelli?
 
Jason0121do1

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Flowki said:
You'll cover the foot print much better if you use 2-2-1 lay out. Put the weakest plant on it's own in the floor space under the bulbs screw in point (closer to the wall though) raise it up to height with a wood block or w/e. Atm you have two big gaps either side of the middle small plant and that is some of the best light getting wasted.

The leaves are ok to over lap a bit as long as you have good canopy movement and a de-hue if humidity is an issue. You don't want to see gaps in the middle 3x3 area as thats the best light, so move the 2-2-1 lay out as close together as you can get them (you can edge them out during stretch as they expand). Gaps on the out side edges of the tent are no real issue as the light intensity by that point is not as good anyway. Give the 4 best plants light priority.
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Interesting but I think you give abit of a contradiction there mate.

You said put the weakest plant under the screw in point of bulb

And then you go to say give biggest plants light priority.

THanks for the advice I'll post a picture of reposition pots to see if it is as you said.

Also do you think lights should be flicked to 12/12 now or hold until all plants are over 18 inches?
 
Johnei

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Jason0121do1 said:
Interesting but I think you give abit of a contradiction there mate.

You said put the weakest plant under the screw in point of bulb

And then you go to say give biggest plants light priority.

THanks for the advice I'll post a picture of reposition pots to see if it is as you said.

Also do you think lights should be flicked to 12/12 now or hold until all plants are over 18 inches?
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Jason.. He also said the plant under the socket should be raised up. ;) which I think you missed.
 
Flowki

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Jason0121do1 said:
Interesting but I think you give abit of a contradiction there mate.

You said put the weakest plant under the screw in point of bulb

And then you go to say give biggest plants light priority.

THanks for the advice I'll post a picture of reposition pots to see if it is as you said.

Also do you think lights should be flicked to 12/12 now or hold until all plants are over 18 inches?
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I said under the screw in point ''closer to the wall though'', could have been worded better sorry. If your screw in point is on the right side from the picture perspective then the pot needs to be near the right wall.

I've just noticed your other pic, that's not what I mean. I see the wire on left side, you want the smallest plant near the left wall from the picture perspective. It can be anywhere you want along that wall. Then you want two plants to the right of that. Those two plants should be lined up front to back (or to the left and right of the actual length of the bulb). The last two pots follow suite. So from left to right of the pic perspective you have 1-2-2.

I would slide the light a few inches to the right (from pic perspective) as you want the best plants getting priority (my perspective may be off due to pic angle though). The single smallest plant will get drowned out of light when the bigger ones stretch up and fill out. You should stand it on top of a wooden block etc to raise it to the same canopy height as the other plants, or even slightly higher. The single smaller plant may actually be the best one in terms of genetic yield but at this point I'd priorities those that have the widest canopy area to maximize light coverage (but that's me). If it was a cutting and you knew it was the better yielder than naturally it would go under the main foot print.

I'd also look to keep the light height from canopy at around 18" possibly 20" absolute max in your situation for flower. Covering more canopy surface area may be worth losing intensity if you are running a tightly packed sog. In your case you have many gaps in the potential light coverage area so it's not worth sacrificing intensity(closer light). Again entirely my opinion, feel free to ignore it.

I would probably flip those more or less now or within the week. You don't need to worry about stretch with topped plants like that, just lightly bend the more dominant tops daily. Nothing extreme, just lay them over so they are a few inches shorter.
 
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Jason0121do1

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Flowki said:
I said under the screw in point ''closer to the wall though'', could have been worded better sorry. If your screw in point is on the right side from the picture perspective then the pot needs to be near the right wall.

I've just noticed your other pic, that's not what I mean. I see the wire on left side, you want the smallest plant near the left wall from the picture perspective. It can be anywhere you want along that wall. Then you two plants to the right of that. Those two plants should be lined up front to back (or to the left and right of the actual length of the bulb). The last two pots follow suite. So from left to right of the pic perspective you have 1-2-2.

I would slide the light a few inches to the right (from pic perspective) as you want the best plants getting priority. The single smallest plant will get drowned out of light when the bigger ones stretch up and fill out. You should stand it on top of a wooden block etc to raise it to the same canopy height as the other plants. The single smaller plant may actually be the best one in terms of genetic yield but at this point I'd priorities those that have the widest canopy area to maximize light coverage (but that's me).

I would probably flip those more or less now or within the week. You don't need to worry about stretch with topped plants like that, just lightly bend the more dominant tops daily. Nothing extreme, just lay them over so they are a few inches shorter.
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I got you thanks for all that info. Yeh pots are pretty much as you described 1-2-2. Smallest is directly under screw in point. I just need to place second smallest plant nest to it in the same row rather then next to it on the back row? .

Yeh I have a pots to place smaller plants on, so when the light needs rising which will be in less then a week, I will rest smaller plants on top of those pots (all plants will be equal in size then).

I have just flipped the to 12/12

Had to put temperature reader outside tent, with the wire inside tent so temp is picked up inside tent but can read it from outside as I like to keep an eye on temp when lights are on or off.
 
Flowki

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Jason0121do1 said:
I got you thanks for all that info. Yeh pots are pretty much as you described 1-2-2. Smallest is directly under screw in point. I just need to place second smallest plant nest to it in the same row rather then next to it on the back row? .

Yeh I have a pots to place smaller plants on, so when the light needs rising which will be in less then a week, I will rest smaller plants on top of those pots (all plants will be equal in size then).

I have just flipped the to 12/12

Had to put temperature reader outside tent, with the wire inside tent so temp is picked up inside tent but can read it from outside as I like to keep an eye on temp when lights are on or off.
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Yeah you'll fine tune foot prints as you go. Just don't put any priority on the single smallest one, it's an optional bonus. If it were 6 plants then you could share more of the light as less would be bouncing off the floor and wasted.
 
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