What Happened by Hillary Rodham Clinton

st0wandgrow

st0wandgrow

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Fogdog said:
LOL

"I don't know much but I think maybe some blacks didn't vote for Bernie because he is Jewish. I also think that a person has to believe in a god to be Jewish."

You certainly don't know much. Or thought about this very much. But you do get long winded when saying what you don't know.

Along with tax policy (@Padawanbater2 ), this is complicated.

Here is what some people who have thought about it say:
https://www.momentmag.com/can-there-be-judaism-without-belief-in-god/

A pithy (but to me obnoxious quote) from the article:

The contradictions might seem glaring, but centuries of Jewish history since the Haskalah, the Jewish Enlightenment, have proved that Jews are too strong for narrowly defined contradictions. One of the most important responsibilities a person has is to carefully and conscientiously examine her beliefs. She has a moral responsibility to not simply inherit her beliefs, accepting them as she does her name, to not assert propositions about the world just because of the group that she was born into. If an open-minded look at the world makes her conclude that this is a godless universe, does she have to renounce the culture she grew up with, that has done so much to develop a moral outlook and human values? The answer, for me and many others, is no.

I'm atheist but observe and participate in judeo-christian culture and values. I find it quite logical to do so. Mainly because that's the culture I live in and I understand that a society where, for example, murder is common and accepted would necessarily be a small one. It couldn't compete with a culture that is resolved to cooperate rather than eliminate those who disagree. Same goes with religion-based human sacrifice. I see religion as a means to communicate acceptable behavior and enabled societies to evolve in a darwinian sense. Judeo-Christian values have created societies that are more effective at competing and growing than many others from the past, such as the religions prevalent at the time of Jesus's birth. I also think that other religions such as Buddhism, Islam, and a handful of others are behind the growth and prosperity of it's people.

To reject the existence of a god doesn't mean I reject the culture and values based upon Christianity. I wish more Christians observed more of their own values. They have this tendency to pick and choose which parts of Christianity to follow. Beginning with the modern Christian who also opposes helping refugees from a war we helped start.

Lieberman said he doesn't think Judaism would continue if Jews no longer believed in a god. I'm not so certain of this but it would create a paradox that less thoughtful people might become fixated upon.
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tl;dr

You're calling me long winded? lol

Yes, saying you're Jewish, or Christian, or Muslim, kind of implies that you believe in a god. That's the central tenet to every religion.

Type in "what does it mean to be Jewish" in google. The very first point, in the very first link says "To believe in God. Divine affirmation is the foundation of Judaism. Everything else comes second."

As I mentioned, there are also customs and practices that define Judaism as well, so it's not all just about the imaginary friend in the sky.

It's so cute how you groupies come running to bucks defense! Wash those balls! :lol:
 
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schuylaar

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Fogdog said:
LOL

"I don't know much but I think maybe some blacks didn't vote for Bernie because he is Jewish. I also think that a person has to believe in a god to be Jewish."

You certainly don't know much. Or thought about this very much. But you do get long winded when saying what you don't know.

Along with tax policy (@Padawanbater2 ), this is complicated.

Here is what some people who have thought about it say:
https://www.momentmag.com/can-there-be-judaism-without-belief-in-god/

A pithy (but to me obnoxious quote) from the article:

The contradictions might seem glaring, but centuries of Jewish history since the Haskalah, the Jewish Enlightenment, have proved that Jews are too strong for narrowly defined contradictions. One of the most important responsibilities a person has is to carefully and conscientiously examine her beliefs. She has a moral responsibility to not simply inherit her beliefs, accepting them as she does her name, to not assert propositions about the world just because of the group that she was born into. If an open-minded look at the world makes her conclude that this is a godless universe, does she have to renounce the culture she grew up with, that has done so much to develop a moral outlook and human values? The answer, for me and many others, is no.

I'm atheist but observe and participate in judeo-christian culture and values. I find it quite logical to do so. Mainly because that's the culture I live in and I understand that a society where, for example, murder is common and accepted would necessarily be a small one. It couldn't compete with a culture that is resolved to cooperate rather than eliminate those who disagree. Same goes with religion-based human sacrifice. I see religion as a means to communicate acceptable behavior and enabled societies to evolve in a darwinian sense. Judeo-Christian values have created societies that are more effective at competing and growing than many others from the past, such as the religions prevalent at the time of Jesus's birth. I also think that other religions such as Buddhism, Islam, and a handful of others are behind the growth and prosperity of it's people.

To reject the existence of a god doesn't mean I reject the culture and values based upon Christianity. I wish more Christians observed more of their own values. They have this tendency to pick and choose which parts of Christianity to follow. Beginning with the modern Christian who also opposes helping refugees from a war we helped start.

Lieberman said he doesn't think Judaism would continue if Jews no longer believed in a god. I'm not so certain of this but it would create a paradox that less thoughtful people might become fixated upon.
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Why is it blacks don't like Jews?
 
_gresh_

_gresh_

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schuylaar said:
Who? The poster, of the comment, to which I was responding- aka not you.
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The poster of the comment to which you you were responding was using quotations and paraphrasing. Why are you feigning ignorance?

All the Bernie Ballwashers (including you) are in this thread shitting on another person's religion just for the fuck of it. It's especially adorable because those same people are the ones who constantly whine about others throwing insults in this section. And, how those insults are moderated. I've heard the word hypocrite get thrown around a lot lately, too.

Hilarious.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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twostrokenut said:
not enough to buy your house.
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do i have to explain why the taxes alone, much less the lost investment income, far outwigh the cost of a few years worth of PMI?

it seems like i do, but what good would it do to explain this again to a trailer dweller who couldn't even afford his own house and lost every single penny he ever put into it, and then some?
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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st0wandgrow said:
tl;dr

You're calling me long winded? lol

Yes, saying you're Jewish, or Christian, or Muslim, kind of implies that you believe in a god. That's the central tenet to every religion.

Type in "what does it mean to be Jewish" in google. The very first point, in the very first link says "To believe in God. Divine affirmation is the foundation of Judaism. Everything else comes second."

As I mentioned, there are also customs and practices that define Judaism as well, so it's not all just about the imaginary friend in the sky.

It's so cute how you groupies come running to bucks defense! Wash those balls! :lol:
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just look at the people who 'liked' your comment. holocaust deniers, jew haters, and much worse.
 
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