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Heisengrow
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This is false in every sense.Maybe outdoors under as much light as they can get but even 2 seperate phenos under the same light same conditions will yield different.This statement coming from you is a surprise as ive read some of your other post.here's the key....there is no such thing as low yields. the longer you veg the heavier the yield will be every time.
If you veg until sex shows you'll be rewarded with good yields, top it, veg for another month and trees could result.
Indoors 6 different phenos under same light same recirculating 1 plant will always yield more.For some a 2 month veg is impractical and should be when you only have but so much light to deal with.If you have to veg a month longer your technically not yielding more because to produce the same gram per watt is using a month more of electricity.We would all love to grow indoor trees under DE gravitas and 12 foot ceilings but for some of us who only have 7 foot ceilings and rely on scrogging we need a good yielding plant.Im talking colas that are as fat as coke cans Hence the nickname Cola!If im getting quarter size nuggets no matter how far up i VEG i still only have but so much surface area of light;Once you reach a ceartian height lower branches will suffer.I 100 percent scrog out everything and some strains will flat out OUT YIELD others this is a no brainer.Give me a heavy producing plant and ill kill it every time in a 5x6 scrog under 1000 W in 90 days flat from clone.
Put a lower yielding plant in the same scrog and veg 4 weeks extra and still wont even come close to the 90 day plant.So yes a good yielding plant trumps Veg times for practical growing
Dividedsky
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^This is exactly what I thought when I read his statement. His logic makes no sense. There is definitely low yeilding strains. Some pheno types of certain strains don't yeild well no matter the veg time, training. Sure you'll yeild more if you veg longer, that's common sense. For instance my buddy just harvested a strain that yeilded him 10 zips per plant with little veg time/training. Think it was bb headband or critical kush. We'll call it critical kush because he got huge yeilds from that strain also. Anyways say you have a low yeilding cookies clone (usually pulls 2-3 zips per 1mo/veg) against his critical kush clone, veg them each the same for 3 months and hit it with some lst, supercropping ect. His critical kush will always kill that cookies clone in the yeild department. Thus making the cookies strain he has a low yeilder compared to his other strains. Some of the most fire ogkb phenos just don't yeild shit. Their colas or lack there of just don't get that big or swelled up. Sure you can veg for 3-5 months and grow trees, but your also going to have 2 harvests a year and some of those trees will yeild more than other trees.
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cookie master
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I agree with above. Hopefully this ogkb x stardawg will yield... I heard moondawg yields, according to the breeder?
Heisengrow
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This is what i like to see in a good yielding plant.Grew this from Humboldt and was surprised.This was part of the top branch.All trimmed up i got some weight on this fat girl.Biggest mistake i ever made was not keeping this plant.the smoke,smell and size was my best to date.12 oz plant in 75 days flat.
I always grow for quality but i have to also offset my cost and pull a good yield to even things out so i can get my expenses back and have enough for my wife to go through.I dont even smoke the stuff i just love growing these plants.
I always grow for quality but i have to also offset my cost and pull a good yield to even things out so i can get my expenses back and have enough for my wife to go through.I dont even smoke the stuff i just love growing these plants.
chemphlegm
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I get ya. but without putting any words in my mouth, or considering efficiency, impracticality, subpar lighting, training, space, plant health, controls, comparisons to other plants or cost I stand by this statement;
"the longer you veg the heavier the yield will be every time"
its simple really- veg one plant for two months or three months-which is heavier in the end? outside/inside makes no difference.
veg a plant outdoors for a month and flower, now veg the same one for three months and flower....=heavier weight?
I start with healthy plants. If two clones from the same mom are not uniform I begin again. two healthy clones from the same donor will grow the same next to each other, the one vegging longer will yield more every time. I've never heard anyone believe differently. If your resources are lacking then we have no comparisons. we need to be apples to apples with healthy like plants, c02, quality air feed water temps rh and controlled space. If i ws suffering any of my resources I am sure my results would differ, even from cycle to cycle. Controls make results repeatable.
I've proven it out with hundreds of strains.
Assuming all resources, including light, feed, water, temps, c02, rh are controlled properly it is true, Its been true here for hundreds of varieties. Send me a pack of your lightest yielders and I'll show ya. Sure some grow better under cfl's than others do, some grow taler with higher ceilings, or better temps, or with c02 even but....
the only fair comparison in this scene is two of the same strain side by side in optimal conditions. Veg one for 5 weeks and the other for 10 and your yields will be heavier from the longer vegged plant. Its not the plants fault it ran out of space, didnt have good enough light, or time.
more accurately to your point would have been to say some plants veg faster than others perhaps? I hope this clears it up
chemphlegm
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yes of course I agree.
a shitty yielding plant will yield heavier if vegged longer. agreed ?
chemphlegm
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confused? with 1 and 2?
there is no logic to consider when you read my statement
"the longer you veg the heavier the yield will be every time."
of course some strains will yield more than others with the same veg time nobody would disagree, even same strains apply.
but veg those for another month and guess what.....more yield with the longer veggers aye? thats all I said-the longer you veg the heavier the yield will be every time. still misunderstood?
hillbill
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One can choose to have fewer bigger plants that are vegged longer but vegging longer is not free as space for other potential seedlings or clones is gone. No free lunch here. Ultimately yield is more important for many in relation to Grow space and time needed to mature. Growing trees or scrogging or SOG or other training all work.
Some strains will yield poorly no matter what. Even a very "heavy" yielder that takes 12 weeks is no bargain in real terms.
Some strains will yield poorly no matter what. Even a very "heavy" yielder that takes 12 weeks is no bargain in real terms.
chemphlegm
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yes. those that yield poorly will have a heavier yield if vegged longer in a healthy environment.
yield= weight ( cost, feasibility, convenience, time constraints, are not part of yield right?)
for clarity I dont give 2 chits about yield here. I've got six times the space I grow in, all controlled as work space, play space etc, over 20 different strains cycling in a perpetual harvest. My veg room is a shopping cart for requests to flower for my patients and myself. I always have seen the ones that have vegged longer (than the last time, than their sister next to her etc) yield more simply because they have a more complex root system and exponentially more budding sites. training and such can increase or decrease this result. I often top my vegging girls several times if they become too large for my needs. Those get bushier if I let them.
like @Dividedsky said= "Sure you'll yeild more if you veg longer, that's common sense. "
I could add "bigger containers make bigger plants" lol
madininagyal
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Maybe if we talk about a grow only but i have already tested 4 critical + clone, 8 week veg and worked under a net (topped training), 3x3 space,400mh veg /600 hps flo ,12 liters pot, yields a little below 500g ,
24 clone in 3l pot 2 week veg , sog, same sétup, a little shy of 600g... with 6 week saved , at the end of the year you clearly see the différence
chemphlegm
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you had 6x the plants with 6 weeks less veg time right? makes sense to me. you would see the power savings and yield increase with more plants in same space. I used to do that for the added genetics in play but now I like less plants to work with.
if you took your 4 Criticals and vegged the next cycle for 2 weeks instead of 8 weeks, in 12 litre pots...let me know what the yield is compared to the 8 week veg...then we got something to compare equally. I already know the answer there, bet you do too?
chemphlegm
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My first Raindance ever was vegged for 3 weeks and I harvested 2 ounces of buds.
My next 12 were vegged for 5 weeks and none yielded less than 4 ounces of buds each.
I see a pattern and am going to stick to the smaller less yielding veg time. I find it difficult to care for
the larger ones, as much as I love walking among them...
My next 12 were vegged for 5 weeks and none yielded less than 4 ounces of buds each.
I see a pattern and am going to stick to the smaller less yielding veg time. I find it difficult to care for
the larger ones, as much as I love walking among them...
chemphlegm
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agreed, having a few large plants to care for could leave a grower without weed if something goes wrong. larger numbers are a great buffer for sure !
genuity
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I do love big plants,my best grow was 3 big plants/600 per plant...but like you say...lots of work..to keep them on track.
I like to hand water,so that's my only drawback to the larger numbers.
hillbill
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I LST smaller plants for variety and ease of handling. The LST training gets lots of buds in optimal light. I also have been perpetual for a long time. Just my own preferences. Many valid approaches to growing this herb.
Night Rider is changing aroma in cure going from strong lemon and solvent to strong exotic spice mix with black pepper. Each GP strain I've done so far has been very impressive. 4 Black Gold and 3 Dynamite Diesel will go to flower tent in a couple weeks. Second time around for Black Gold for me.
Night Rider is changing aroma in cure going from strong lemon and solvent to strong exotic spice mix with black pepper. Each GP strain I've done so far has been very impressive. 4 Black Gold and 3 Dynamite Diesel will go to flower tent in a couple weeks. Second time around for Black Gold for me.
Porkymcchops
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This is exactly what I thought!! It's one of the reasons I was all over the star dawg crosses. It's my understanding the dawg donates some really kick ass qualities to some already kick ass moms.
I was basically asking if anyone knew of strains from gu that they had noticed a slower growth REQUIRING a longer veg time to match what would be considered average to good yielding strain. I run perpetually so strains that NEED the extra veg just to compete with the other plants around it, will end up getting tossed regardless of how much I like it otherwise.
We all know that more veg time = bigger plant = more yield potential. I have plenty of room it's time that's a problem; most harvests per year type of thinking.. I have 8weeks - generally run about 55-65 days. With clones I know and love. But now I'm switching it all up and cracking these beans. Some may flower longer, some might want more veg to compete. Trying to get a handle on how they behave and plan accordingly.
Chemphlem answered my question saying no gps that he'd encountered had required any "special attention". He also said around 50 days. I have 50 days. Awesome. I want to hear people's experiences with these crosses. If anyone has grown these out and found that after their "normal" veg time they were smaller or had strange growth (lack of branching requiring a lot training - shit like that) of any kind effecting the veg cycle, Id like to know before cracking the seeds. That's all.