cloning; Is it worth it?

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Justjokingnotme

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gday me fellow greenians.
ok so ive had some pretty poor luck in germinating this year or getting seeds to raise post germination. sigh., im guessing bad seeds as i never normally have issues but to counter that, im looking to clone. first time. what is the general success rate of cloning straight in water? how does it effect the mother plant? does it decrease yeild by much, or will new nodes grow if done correctly increasing thy yeild?

I make a cut 45degree angle on a nice branch close to stem. chuck the end In water (tape around the cup if its see through and tape around the top or use a teatowel so the light doesn't reach into the water but the leaves get light) change water daily. is there any main point I am missing here?

my cat just urinated on my shoes so im going to piss on his face.
 
Nugachino

Nugachino

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Plenty of good reasons to clone. One is to sex the parent plant and see if it's male or not. Another is to preserve the genetics. And the other is to increase plant count without the differences in growth variation from differing phenos of the same strain.

I've only had luck cloning with a clone dome and potting mix. My clones were excess branches cut from the mother.

The bigger the cut. The more nutrients it will have stored. I try to make sure mine are at least as tall as a standard toilet roll.

Some plants are harder to clone than others. Mine was very finicky until I added the cloner.
 
ismann

ismann

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Yeah it's worth it. Better than buying a seed.

My Dinafem OG Kush was easy to clone. It was small too, like 2 inches and took about three weeks until it took off. It'll droop a bit then one day it'll spring back up and start growing new leaves. I just stick them into coco in a solo cup with a clear cup to dome over the top of it. Spray it with water every day to keep it humid.

Some strains are hard to clone though. Definitely a good idea to invest in a cloner if you keep a mom and want a lot of plants.
 
Father Ramirez

Father Ramirez

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Hey there mate. At the risk of sounding terribly opinionated, and I'm not typically a brand endorser, I cannot recommend highly enough the Clone King line. I have both a 25 and a 36 (25 best) and I give and throw away plants regularly. Stick a cutting in a collar and in 2 weeks you'll have a thriving plant ready for the hydro bucket or soil pot. Rooting success rate close to 100%.
 
Budley Doright

Budley Doright

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I do the same as white but I add a clear cup on the top that acts as a dome. I also use perilite instead of soil as they are going into net pots. I also use a small tote with 3-4" perilite covering the bottom and root riot cubes c/w rooting powder, also a lid. I cut the stem that will give me at least one stripped node to bury. I water the perilite (typically using used res water lol) and spray once, 6-10 days later I have roots. Also I use 3000k T5's for lighting clones. Ive never had great luck not using domes and not sure why lol.
 
Dr. Who

Dr. Who

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Lately, I have been simply putting my cuttings in a container (1 Liter measuring cup) with about 200 ml of straight RO and setting them on my work bench. They get only ambient light - NO direct lighting and even the most difficult to clone strain has been rooting in 10-14 days..... 75% success rate with this so far... If I could keep the thing warmer.....Might try a seedling mat at 87-88 deg next time. That should increase the success rate nicely. Speed them up a bit too.

I have an EZ clone and do root riot cloning too. Just tossed some left over cuttings in that cup and left then hanging on my water tank, just to "see."....Looked at them in 12 days. They had rooted better then the root riot cuttings.... Still in the playing with it stage...

One of those slap your head moments. Folks used to root Geraniums in the winter that way...
 
Budley Doright

Budley Doright

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Dr. Who said:
Lately, I have been simply putting my cuttings in a container (1 Liter measuring cup) with about 200 ml of straight RO and setting them on my work bench. They get only ambient light - NO direct lighting and even the most difficult to clone strain has been rooting in 10-14 days..... 75% success rate with this so far... If I could keep the thing warmer.....Might try a seedling mat at 87-88 deg next time. That should increase the success rate nicely. Speed them up a bit too.

I have an EZ clone and do root riot cloning too. Just tossed some left over cuttings in that cup and left then hanging on my water tank, just to "see."....Looked at them in 12 days. They had rooted better then the root riot cuttings.... Still in the playing with it stage...

One of those slap your head moments. Folks used to root Geraniums in the winter that way...
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I have done the water thing and yup it works but the success rate was not as high as the riots which so far is pretty close to 100, and the speed to root seems a bit faster then any other way. I've rooted plants by not even trying lol. Hard to Believe that when I first started growing we were air rooting to get clones, didn't have much success with normal methods and didn't try back then lol.
 
Hoare

Hoare

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The down side to cloning in my experience is the older the clone, the slower it grows, and there's more trimming to do.
Since you can't clone autos I gave making fem seeds a try. It's fairly simple and cheap.
Over the summer I tried it on an amnesia auto and a chocolate skunk auto. Even though the Amnesia did get plenty of male flowers I got 0 seeds. I did get ~200 off the chocolate skunk.
Trying it now on a photo.
When I get fem seeds dialed in I'm going that route.....faster growth less trimming.
You can clone just about any strain with water and an air stone. Need a dome if low humidity.
 
TacoMac

TacoMac

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If you are constantly growing or doing large grows in batches, then cloning is the only way to fly. Learn it. Use it. You will save a fortune over the long haul vs. buying and germinating seeds.

If you're like me and only doing one grow per year, or you're doing very small grows, then no. It's not worth it at all. The effort, work and material cost are more costly than the couple seeds you're saving.

It really is just that simple.
 
too larry

too larry

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Like TacoMac said, it depends on what you are wanting to do. First thing though is to just put your seeds pointy end down in good light potting soil, then water very good. Your germination rate will go up. Make some seeds, so you don't have to worry if a few are duds. And by all means, learn to make clones. I use a 5 gallon bucket with 6 holes cut in the lid for netpots and a submersible pump set for 30 minutes on and 30 off. But before I built that I floated them in upside down coffee cups in a aluminum roasting tray with an air stone or two in there. I grew roots both ways.
 
TacoMac

TacoMac

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Germinate in a damp (NOT soaking wet) paper towel inside a Ziplock bag you leave open. DO NOT seal it. Put it on a window sill for a few days.

100% germination success rate.
 
vostok

vostok

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Justjokingnotme said:
gday me fellow greenians.
ok so ive had some pretty poor luck in germinating this year or getting seeds to raise post germination. sigh., im guessing bad seeds as i never normally have issues but to counter that, im looking to clone. first time. what is the general success rate of cloning straight in water? how does it effect the mother plant? does it decrease yeild by much, or will new nodes grow if done correctly increasing thy yeild?

I make a cut 45degree angle on a nice branch close to stem. chuck the end In water (tape around the cup if its see through and tape around the top or use a teatowel so the light doesn't reach into the water but the leaves get light) change water daily. is there any main point I am missing here?

my cat just urinated on my shoes so im going to piss on his face.
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make your own DIY cloner bubbler is fun like keeping 'gold fish' is very cheap, many can be built for under $us20.00. and yeah FUN.

you have kept Gold Fish?

to my blog: https://www.rollitup.org/Journal/Entry/cloning-bubbler-n02-11-2009.28758/
 
mr sunshine

mr sunshine

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TacoMac said:
If you are constantly growing or doing large grows in batches, then cloning is the only way to fly. Learn it. Use it. You will save a fortune over the long haul vs. buying and germinating seeds.

If you're like me and only doing one grow per year, or you're doing very small grows, then no. It's not worth it at all. The effort, work and material cost are more costly than the couple seeds you're saving.

It really is just that simple.
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Cloning is more about saving desirable genetics,imo.
 
vostok

vostok

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I cloned chilli peppers soon after they took off really good, also gooseberries I donate to the local school for cash, they were very easy ..like weed
.. cloning is very additive, esp. when you see the price of some plants, I suspect that the harder the bark the easier to clone as the cambian layer is thicker, my guess
currently growing yet more fucking hedges for my buddy wanting a descrete outdoor grow, and black currents I do every 2 years as they get the scale bug very easy..
I think black currents growing is bannd in the us as the same bug,scale infects local pine trees...??
 
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