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Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Fogdog said:
Not hypocritical about it either. They are the party with the belief that "the government is the problem." By cuts or mismanagement, they show they have no intention of putting government to work for people. Same happened under GWB. I know some federal Department of Forestry professionals who recently retired and can now speak freely. They see the same things happening in the Department of the Interior, BLM and Dept. of Forestry. Anybody who was leading departments studying global warming have been reassigned to meaningless work. Carson is only visible because his area of responsibility got some media attention due to the hurricane.

It's a fucking right wing Tsunami that's hitting the professional ranks in government.
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"The government is the problem! Vote for me to be in charge of the government!"

Baffles me how people buy that
 
Fogdog

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Padawanbater2 said:
"The government is the problem! Vote for me to be in charge of the government!"

Baffles me how people buy that
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Another trope is "a rising tide floats all boats". Absolutely proven false but still a guiding light for the right.

I've never understood why they hew to falsehoods like this. All I can do is understand that conservatives are this way.
 
Fogdog

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_gresh_ said:
But, isn't it?
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I don't see Bernie's policies including massive cuts to spending while raising taxes. If anything, Bernie is very idealistic about government-run programs being an answer. His education policies, for instance would stretch our college system to the breaking point with more people immediately getting access to higher ed rather than fewer, which is what Trump's boys are pushing. I don't see that as a bad thing but a challenge that might create some problems early on.
 
Padawanbater2

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_gresh_ said:
Well, you're arguing that government is not the problem. Is it the problem? Is that not why Bernie is running?
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I don't think I'm arguing that government is not the problem. I think that with government, many new problems are created. I think I feel that the benefits of having a government outweigh the risks of not having one. Having a stable government enables things like medical and scientific advancement. The protection of private property. The prosperity of poor and middle classes, etc.
 
Fogdog

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Padawanbater2 said:
Do you think you really understand it if you don't understand why?
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A set of facts that I can comprehend led me to a problem I don't understand. I understand everything that led me to my conclusion. I don't understand the underlying reason. Maybe you can suggest a different word for it.
 
Fogdog

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Padawanbater2 said:
Is this an assumption or based on evidence?
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We saw this happen in Oregon when we eliminated tuition for recent HS grads who attend jr college. The schools are packed and the system was stretched to cover the additional students. Over time the problem has lessened.

Same happened when the ACA expanded medical access. Hospitals weren't immediately ready for the increased numbers. It didn't matter that this was paid for, the expansion in infrastructure took time.

The logic is pretty obvious. Adding a free or subsidized benefit increases use. If you don't phase it in, the system can't handle the load.
 
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Fogdog

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Padawanbater2 said:
Huh?
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LOL You must know by now how bad I am at explaining things.

I don't know how else to say it. I can understand that conservatives believe in smaller government. I don't understand why they believe this. Put another way, I just know they do believe that government is the problem. I've read behavioral studies and tried to understand but I don't understand how anybody can reject the facts and go with a belief like this.
 
greg nr

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fuke bernie and the horse that pulled his silly little carriage. He is the solution to exactly nothing. A monumental loss waiting to happen.

He can't win. Too many people hold him responsible for trump.
 
Fogdog

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greg nr said:
fuke bernie and the horse that pulled his silly little carriage. He is the solution to exactly nothing. A monumental loss waiting to happen.

He can't win. Too many people hold him responsible for trump.
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He's been a good Senator for Vermont.
 
Fogdog

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greg nr said:
A good senator from vermont doesn't make a president. It doesn't even make a successful candidate for president.

There are MUCH better choices for 2020. He is history; leave him there.
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I'm all for as many good people running as possible. Let voters decide. I understand your point, I'm just saying we need more choices and I see no reason why Bernie shouldn't be one of them. He also has changed his tune of late too.

Listening to him lately, he's much more moderate than he was in 2016, when he was a relative unknown. Perhaps too moderate now for my liking. At 75, he's campaigning like he's still in the thick of a race, as is his right. I don't know if he's planning on running in 2020 but he's acting as if he's running. If others want to challenge for front runner status, they had better be ready to get going after the 2018 elections are done. His strategy is sound, too. I don't like what he's been saying about social issues lately but I see a shrewd politician in Bernie.
 
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