Dr. Who
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He never said "better". And he is right! About the, if not "the same as".
The flush "myth"
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chemphlegm
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ok, lets take a look at what was said;
I said-"
NO amount of drying and curing will make an overfed/nutrient burnt, over ripe, under ripe, under lit, etc bud taste good. maybe taste better, but nowhere near as good as it could have been with a proper feeding and the same dry/cure for example
must be more to it than drying properly?
not arguing, but c'mon, you know there is more to it right?
RM said ;
You simply couldn't be more wrong, but we all know you'll never admit it
it is ALL in the dry/cure which is the single most important thing for a grower to learn
yep, he said I couldnt be more wrong. meaning the opposite of what i said would be...take a look.
so say you?
a shitty grown overfed plant with a super cure is better than a well fed loved plant cured same way? or could I be more wrong by assuming a well fed plant dried properly is actually BETTER than one thats not fed well?
Dr. Who
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In all actuality. The example I use is the basic idea of what happened to, and why food manufacturers took this problem to Physc dept's in colleges and asked if they could tell them why?
This lead to actual brand vs brand testing. The idea being that you could actually compare different products and their difference's in relation to finding trends in those products that the testers enjoyed or the other product (this goes each way). The idea being is that your going to find differences. They want you to! The manufacturer can then adjust the product to the way the majority prefers, in all ways. Can you say "new and improved?"
The real irony, lies in the fact that our family was a test family in a Taco Brand vs. Brand testing (We fit the test profiles. 4 person family with 2 teenage children, that could eat a house). The whole family had to sit at the PC and answer the questions. As a whole and individually.
There was a lot of, "Which did you prefer? What made it better? How would you improve it? and this was for packaged taco kits, complete with everything but the meat and veggies.
Lets say it was "Blue vs. Yellow" Brand......Yellow won....everything but the sauce.
Dr. Who
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Oopsy, blind eyed and no coffee yet! Taking a day off the fall team shoot - damn tired and arthritis is making it too hard today..
I misread your reply!
MY BAD!
But, basically, YES.....even crappy grown can taste great......As far as the same? Damn close!
I know your position and while I disagree with some of it. I respect it enough to simply leave it alone now.
SO, I'm sorry for being bleary eyed and incorrectly reading your post....
Next time you YELL at me. I won't be as nice back.....K?
CannaBruh
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Sooo, when I come off a summer run and cooked all the terpenes and life out of the flowers with canopies running at well above 100f, the suggesting is that I can somehow "cure" my weed into being as good as if I had an ideal run, or did I completely misunderstand?
If that is the position, that the cure can somehow as they say in the studio "clean it up in the mix" I'd have to take a strong stance in disagreement.
If that is the position, that the cure can somehow as they say in the studio "clean it up in the mix" I'd have to take a strong stance in disagreement.
RM3
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This post is not for the flushers, it is for new growers that are actually trying to learn ,,,
I more than anyone am very tired of the whole flush debate and realize that it will never end, but here in this thread you got 2 growers with over 80 years combined experience tellin you the same thing,,,,,, that flushing is nonsense and that how you dry/cure is what is important and what you should focus on learning properly !
Dr Who is mostly (now) an organic soil grower and I am a chem/dry salts grower. Both of us have grown for over 40 years and we've seen some things along the way, and neither of us flush. But beyond that we have a mutual friend in common that not only has smoked both of our buds but is also a member here @DCobeen and he can come here and post or you can ask him ?
DC has traveled the country, logged over 80K miles visiting growers and dispensaries in legal states and has smoked many buds along the way. Many he has visited are also members here as well.
And the true beauty here, for all you new growers trying to learn is that not only the fact that neither Dr Who or myself flush but you have the proverbial organic vs chem grown factor thrown in
I more than anyone am very tired of the whole flush debate and realize that it will never end, but here in this thread you got 2 growers with over 80 years combined experience tellin you the same thing,,,,,, that flushing is nonsense and that how you dry/cure is what is important and what you should focus on learning properly !
Dr Who is mostly (now) an organic soil grower and I am a chem/dry salts grower. Both of us have grown for over 40 years and we've seen some things along the way, and neither of us flush. But beyond that we have a mutual friend in common that not only has smoked both of our buds but is also a member here @DCobeen and he can come here and post or you can ask him ?
DC has traveled the country, logged over 80K miles visiting growers and dispensaries in legal states and has smoked many buds along the way. Many he has visited are also members here as well.
And the true beauty here, for all you new growers trying to learn is that not only the fact that neither Dr Who or myself flush but you have the proverbial organic vs chem grown factor thrown in
CannaBruh
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...appeal to authority, neither of you two are any recognized authority on cannabis, now answer my question about curing and how it relates to your assertion and my scenario.
Flushing is a valid practice that works like clockwork.
That you acknowledge the debate will not end validates that there is substance to the practice, if the practice was a failure (flushing) it would be evident as observed by those who implement it, however what many find is counter to that what is offered by the "non-flush" crowd found within this thread, which fuels the debate...
Flushing is a valid practice that works like clockwork.
That you acknowledge the debate will not end validates that there is substance to the practice, if the practice was a failure (flushing) it would be evident as observed by those who implement it, however what many find is counter to that what is offered by the "non-flush" crowd found within this thread, which fuels the debate...
CannaBruh
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It's hard to quantify what you gain by feeding your plants to harvest but I can assure you it's hardly discernible and to call it a myth with this non-discernible evidence is not scientific, it's "inconclusive" at best.
chemphlegm
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I only know of one gardener that would ever fertilize their plants to the end, or push the ferts to their limits...tobacco farmers, and thats where this nonsense comes from. that shit is not usable when its dried, its got to be cured with fire and smoke and humidity and steam first...why? to ferment the unused carbs in order to make a usable/inhalable product. Even then its so disgusting this way they need to spray it with chems in order to curb your incessant coughing.
but not homegrown baccy, fed normally, not commercially, for love, not cash. I did it! it was awesome right after it was dried right next to my weed in the same controls..imagine that.
I dont grow like that because I'm not trying to make more green cabbage weight for cash. I dont need to sweat all the unused overfed items because they dont exist, if they did I would harvest yet/wouldnt feed so much/often.
I never saw a farmer fert his garden to the end. tomatoes taste like a gold course when fertilized in the end for thought, so does marijuana..unless you ferment it first-frikken crazy if you ask me, if I had to ferment my weed just to make it taste good I' d go back to the books
but not homegrown baccy, fed normally, not commercially, for love, not cash. I did it! it was awesome right after it was dried right next to my weed in the same controls..imagine that.
I dont grow like that because I'm not trying to make more green cabbage weight for cash. I dont need to sweat all the unused overfed items because they dont exist, if they did I would harvest yet/wouldnt feed so much/often.
I never saw a farmer fert his garden to the end. tomatoes taste like a gold course when fertilized in the end for thought, so does marijuana..unless you ferment it first-frikken crazy if you ask me, if I had to ferment my weed just to make it taste good I' d go back to the books
Chunky Stool
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Why would you starve a plant?
Peak nute consumption is about three weeks before the chop. Taper off for two weeks, then water only the last week.
It's harder to do in organic soil, but still possible. Just gotta switch to tea after the soil has been depleted.
kingzt
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What do you keep your ec/ppms at during flowering when using blumats. I ordered some a while ago and haven't used them yet. Still want to experiment with them but don't like keeping the rez high up.
MichiganMedGrower
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This post is not for the flushers, it is for new growers that are actually trying to learn ,,,
I more than anyone am very tired of the whole flush debate and realize that it will never end, but here in this thread you got 2 growers with over 80 years combined experience tellin you the same thing,,,,,, that flushing is nonsense and that how you dry/cure is what is important and what you should focus on learning properly !
Dr Who is mostly (now) an organic soil grower and I am a chem/dry salts grower. Both of us have grown for over 40 years and we've seen some things along the way, and neither of us flush. But beyond that we have a mutual friend in common that not only has smoked both of our buds but is also a member here @DCobeen and he can come here and post or you can ask him ?
DC has traveled the country, logged over 80K miles visiting growers and dispensaries in legal states and has smoked many buds along the way. Many he has visited are also members here as well.
And the true beauty here, for all you new growers trying to learn is that not only the fact that neither Dr Who or myself flush but you have the proverbial organic vs chem grown factor thrown in
The method you describe in your threads shows you flush with too much water every time you add nutrients.
You call it "make it rain". You are continually leaching your pots. Or it's misnomer, flushing.
If you didn't you would burn your plants with your way overuse of potassium sulfate.
Some people have 20 years of experience. And some like you and the growers you mention have 1 year of experience and repeat it 20 times.
flushing or leaching is a tool to be used to clear out extra salts from the medium. It definitely can be necessary.
It is not a do or don't kind of thing. It should be done when nessesary.
And if you feed heavy in potting soil I'm sure you could get away with the last week or two with water only without too much damage. And with less chlorophyll the stuff will taste and smoke smoother sooner.
Oh yeah. The last thing you do to every plant is "flush" your pots with boiling water. To pretend to accomplish the same thing. Smoother weed sooner.
Are you even sure you want to be on the against flushing side? Seems like you wash everything out of your pots you put in the whole time.
Like a noob.
CannaBruh
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It's (flush or to deplete the reservoir of any nutrient or otherwise introduce ONLY distilled water) necessary at the end of everyone of my flowering runs these days.
To unnecessarily feed at a time approaching harvest I cannot quantify or qualify any value added and therefore deem unnecessary.
To unnecessarily feed at a time approaching harvest I cannot quantify or qualify any value added and therefore deem unnecessary.
DCobeen
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On the flushing thing at the end of life its total BS. Only time you flush aka Make It Rain is to remove salt buildup and that is only when you are using chemical nutes not Organic. If you stop feeding couple weeks from finish and just water it will eat all remaining nutes. I use organic now and I make teas as well as slow release organic dry nutes. There is always allot left in the soil when I am done. I do not flush but what I do is water correctly which is a good run off every watering/feeding. If @RM3 or @Dr. Who takes the time to say something I would lsiten. I have smoked all over this country and there are very ffew I say can grow top shelf and they both do and can. I have logged over 120k miles traveling around and meeting people and sharing mine while they share theirs. 6 people I know including myslef can grow top shelf out of well over 100 growers. @Dr.D81 is one of them and he doesn't flush either as he is also no organic. make your soil and it will do the rest except for teas every 2 weeks or so. Some of the best chem I have smoked is from drwho and everything I have smoked of RM3's is top shelf. My grammer is fare form perfect but my buds are top shelf. here I will leave you with this.This post is not for the flushers, it is for new growers that are actually trying to learn ,,,
I more than anyone am very tired of the whole flush debate and realize that it will never end, but here in this thread you got 2 growers with over 80 years combined experience tellin you the same thing,,,,,, that flushing is nonsense and that how you dry/cure is what is important and what you should focus on learning properly !
Dr Who is mostly (now) an organic soil grower and I am a chem/dry salts grower. Both of us have grown for over 40 years and we've seen some things along the way, and neither of us flush. But beyond that we have a mutual friend in common that not only has smoked both of our buds but is also a member here @DCobeen and he can come here and post or you can ask him ?
DC has traveled the country, logged over 80K miles visiting growers and dispensaries in legal states and has smoked many buds along the way. Many he has visited are also members here as well.
And the true beauty here, for all you new growers trying to learn is that not only the fact that neither Dr Who or myself flush but you have the proverbial organic vs chem grown factor thrown in
this is how we roll. right now I can chop a small popcorn and let it dry for 2 days and get 5 people baked for over 4 hrs on it and its not even close to being done. i know this cause I just did that. Flush is only for those who dont know how to feed and water correct and does nothing but hurt the plant more than help when its that close to being done. The dry and cure is why some taste chemicals cause they wet trim which is a no no for those who know how to do it best.
coreywebster
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What has a proper dry and cure got to do with wet trimming? Are you suggesting a wet trim cant be dried properly?
MichiganMedGrower
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That pic is of an in ground outdoor plant. You could accidentally drop a seed on the ground and grow good plants here this season.
Let's see how you do at the cold wet finish?
Your "experienced" ass didn't listen to me when I offered to help cover your crop last year. Flooded and molded is your experience.
How about indoor where you might need to "flush"?
There you managed to kill 4 healthy 5 node clones I gave you. Really good ones. You said they were doing real well when the rest of your crop wasn't. Then never showed me even a pic of them.
Still have spider mites down there I see from your posts. You had them last year before you met me too. Yet you give advice how to get rid of them.
Why do you people pretend you are the experts at this when you struggle so much? You never even brought a bud over that was good or even actually got any of us high.
You are just drunk and talking shit all the time.
Please at least stop instructing everyone until you gain some actual skill and plant knowledge.
Budley Doright
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How does trimming wet cause the chemical taste, not saying it doesnt, just wondering why?
Budley Doright
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The pics of all these top shelf buds really doesn't prove anything IMO 
this was really not that good but looked really nice. Looks can be deceiving lol. Just saying 
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this was really not that good but looked really nice. Looks can be deceiving lol. Just saying .