The flush "myth"

[ANC]

Was it the John berfelo vid where he compares a gavita hps a cmh and an led?

And the cmh has 4% higher thc tested on his own gas chromatograph?

It's the uv and better spectrum for flowering of the Phillips cmh.

He also says the led had better smell. And the hps had denser bigger buds than both.

Yeah, You get to choose, more flavour, more yield, or more punch.

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

Yeah, You get to choose, more flavour, more yield, or more punch.

Right!

So I am going to mix some blue light and some uva and b with my hps.

But I can't keep my room cool with more light so I have to build in the basement next.

 

[ANC]

Yeah, I am enjoying this part of the season. The smiley face on the hygrometer meets me 80% of the day, with just cracking the door open and running the extractor every 2 hours or so.
Summers gets sick here though. Need to get some insulation in the roof for that room before then, so I can run the AC with less juice.

 

[Dr. Who]

Pretty sure you are talking about ed rosenthal.

Actually, Jorge did it first.... Some one here (or used to be here) was with him for most of what I speak. He's close with Jorge and actually has pics of many of his grows in Jorge's books.
Like I said, Jorge actually made and sold, his own HID systems. He used to have a NCali grow shop and sold them through that. Till the FED stepped in a quashed that one!

He actually spoke quite a bit on the experiments from back then, in a thread that (sadly) was lost in the last site crash....

Ed took it farther with the "science" end charting. Kind of the next step thing....I am bigger fan of Ed too....

 

[CriticalCheeze]

Urban Remo. Enough said. That guy grows monster dongs.

 

[whitebb2727]

N p k and mg are all mobile....calcium is the only major nute that is immobile....

And?

 

[Chunky Stool]

I never tried them. I like the simplicity and lack of smells of bottled nutes.

I will likely mix some soil one day and try dry organic nutes mixed in or a super soil mix to see if I can water only. But if I have to add stuff I'm pretty happy with my method. It freaken easy and effective.

I have read nutrient teas are very effective and helpful. And micro biology teas don't really work.

They say that if the environment is right the biology will appear anyway and if we add it we add good and bad bacteria instead.

I have only really started on organics. I just picked up the teaming with... books here in an older thread.

With all the different seeds I like to run and all the different stages I feed each plant differently all the time with bottled nutes so a water only or mostly style would be great if can yield the same results

Does it bother you to have organics and maybe worms inside? That's my biggest hurdle. I (knock on wood) have never had a marijuana pest past a couple gnats or sprayed for them even.

I fear they will come with soil mixing and organic amendments. Bubbling teas. Etc.

I like to experiment with nutrient teas. It is similar to top-dressing, but becomes available to the plant much faster.
It's true that organic soil tends to attract pests more than mediums that do not contain humus, but they can be controlled and eliminated if your plants are still in veg. Oil-based products like neem and 'rid bugs' work great. Spinosad and insecticidal soap mixed together also work great.
If you end up with bugs in flower, options are few & far between. Mighty wash is the most effective with the least amount of residue, but it's expensive.
I like having worms in my soil with the plants, but if I ever decide to give them a strong dose of synthetic nutes, the worms want to get the fuck out & end up in the runoff tray. Some bugs are good to have around, but it's hard to tell the difference. A few weeks ago, I top-dressed three of my plants with worm castings that were so fresh, they were crawling with bugs. There were even tiny white bugs there were jumping! It was freaky. Pretty sure some of them were green lacewing larvae because I've seen adult lacewings around my bin -- and they totally kick ass! Bottom line: not only did the plant love the castings, virtually all of the fungus gnats disappeared. Not exactly sure why, but I bet it was from the good bugs. Spider mite population seems to have decreased significantly. There's a giant tomato plant in the same vicinity, and it has also shown noticeable improvement.

 

[stnr420]

And?

And.....the theory behind flushing is to get the plants to use all its reserves of n p k and starches....which are mobile....

 

[whitebb2727]

And.....the theory behind flushing is to get the plants to use all its reserves of n p k and starches....which are mobile....

They don't use the stores. They move to new growth. Hence being mobile nutrients.

Again. Articulate or show the science behind flushing.

 

[mr. childs]

I like to experiment with nutrient teas. It is similar to top-dressing, but becomes available to the plant much faster.

have you thought about bottom feeding the nutient teas in the later stages of flower & letting the medium wick it up ?

 

[Chunky Stool]

have you thought about bottom feeding the nutient teas in the later stages of flower & letting the medium wick it up ?

I've done that with synthetics but not with tea because they are usually full of little bits of organic stuff that wouldn't get through fabric pots. I guess it's really a hybrid between top-dressing & liquid feed because there's always new organic solids added to the top.

 

[Kingrow1]

Early work and editions are shit. @chemphlegm has it right.
Jorge isn't all full of shit.
He needs to (at least) be credited with all the early lighting experiments. From the 400w Merc vapors right up to the 1K HPS. He actually built and sold his own HID systems. Till the FEDS came in and shut that down - 1989 if I remember right. He had a shit ton of work in the bag before many others on indoor lighting and growing Mj......He could have gotten info from greenhouse (commercial non-cannabis) but, back then it was very illegal and you could draw some heavy time for manufacture. So all that he did, had to be done on the qt.
If there is lighting info and charts in a book or magazine. The whole basis (if not that info) for that, came from Jorge!

I credit them with getting me into growing somewhat, right or wrong they wrote books and that inspired people to buy seed and soil thus becoming long term growers.

People can hate them but they kickstarted a lot of growers and at a time when books were more freely available than the internet. Not all bad i'd say.

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

I like to experiment with nutrient teas. It is similar to top-dressing, but becomes available to the plant much faster.
It's true that organic soil tends to attract pests more than mediums that do not contain humus, but they can be controlled and eliminated if your plants are still in veg. Oil-based products like neem and 'rid bugs' work great. Spinosad and insecticidal soap mixed together also work great.
If you end up with bugs in flower, options are few & far between. Mighty wash is the most effective with the least amount of residue, but it's expensive.
I like having worms in my soil with the plants, but if I ever decide to give them a strong dose of synthetic nutes, the worms want to get the fuck out & end up in the runoff tray. Some bugs are good to have around, but it's hard to tell the difference. A few weeks ago, I top-dressed three of my plants with worm castings that were so fresh, they were crawling with bugs. There were even tiny white bugs there were jumping! It was freaky. Pretty sure some of them were green lacewing larvae because I've seen adult lacewings around my bin -- and they totally kick ass! Bottom line: not only did the plant love the castings, virtually all of the fungus gnats disappeared. Not exactly sure why, but I bet it was from the good bugs. Spider mite population seems to have decreased significantly. There's a giant tomato plant in the same vicinity, and it has also shown noticeable improvement.

I do use ocean forest. It has organics bugs like. And I forgot to say I do get springtails on and off. They are tiny white jumping bugs. They are beneficial.

 

[Kingrow1]

I do use ocean forest. It has organics bugs like. And I forgot to say I do get springtails on and off. They are tiny white jumping bugs. They are beneficial.

Can they jump or what....!

 

[whitebb2727]

Yeah, You get to choose, more flavour, more yield, or more punch.

That's the very reason I prefer mixed spectrum and run t5 for a long time.

I have no test to back it but the pot I grew under mixed spectrum including uv was better. The high was more complex and the taste more robust.

I will also say that any of these arguments is null if the grower can't grow. A lot of it comes down to the grower. How much time that is put in it.

Anything done with love and passion behind it is better than the same done for just money.

I also say to each thier own. What works for a person is what works for them.

I am also open minded. I've probably tried every every grow technique there is.

 

[Buba Blend]

Somebody mentioned lacewings.
I have an unlimited supply of lacewing eggs on a seedless purple plum tree aside from winter. No bugs this year other than gnats in my grow but if leaf miners or anything else show up and the eggs are available to me I'm gonna try to deploy as many eggs as I can. This pic just taken. It's cool to watch them after they hatch as they eat the stalk. First time I ever saw one I thought it was the egg of a bad bug and hosed down the tree and poured some spinosad into the soil, till I learned better here on RIU that it was a lacewing egg.
Good reading on the last few pages.
I agree with ANC. Growers did not have the same knowledge of Organics or hydroponics back in the 70's like today IMO. They did not have hps to my knowledge. At least not in my 1975 grow book that wrote about high output Gro Lux flouresent bulbs.
I agree with whitebb2727 also.
How many millions of dollars are poored in to the marketing of hydroponic weed and marketing new strains and the best weed "EVER"?
How many $'s are poured into marketing organic weed?
Oh! This thread is about flushing, sorry.
Should I flush? I'm two weeks from harvest.

 

[Chunky Stool]

Somebody mentioned lacewings.
I have an unlimited supply of lacewing eggs on a seedless purple plum tree aside from winter. No bugs this year other than gnats in my grow but if leaf miners or anything else show up and the eggs are available to me I'm gonna try to deploy as many eggs as I can. This pic just taken. It's cool to watch them after they hatch as they eat the stalk. First time I ever saw one I thought it was the egg of a bad bug and hosed down the tree and poured some spinosad into the soil, till I learned better here on RIU that it was a lacewing egg.
Good reading on the last few pages.
I agree with ANC. Growers did not have the same knowledge of Organics or hydroponics back in the 70's like today IMO. They did not have hps to my knowledge. At least not in my 1975 grow book that wrote about high output Gro Lux flouresent bulbs.
I agree with whitebb2727 also.
How many millions of dollars are poored in to the marketing of hydroponic weed and marketing new strains and the best weed "EVER"?
How many $'s are poured into marketing organic weed?
Oh! This thread is about flushing, sorry.
Should I flush? I'm two weeks from harvest.
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Lacewing larvae, AKA 'aphid lions' are ferocious little bastards and will resort to cannibalism after eating all the bad bugs. Very good to have around!

 

[Kingrow1]

Lacewing larvae, AKA 'aphid lions' are ferocious little bastards and will resort to cannibalism after eating all the bad bugs. Very good to have around!

Will they bite a human?

 

[mr sunshine]

I'm inventing new techniques left and right. Flash flooding homie, it's between making it rain and a flush. Add some powerade for maximum flavor profile and electrolytes.

 

[Dr.Nick Riviera]

I'm inventing new techniques left and right. Flash flooding homie, it's between making it rain and a flush. Add some powerade for maximum flavor profile and electrolytes.

how about flooding with a slurpee, pure flavor and sugar homie.