Government claims it owns children, threatens 2nd mom with jail

PCXV

PCXV

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Rob Roy said:
Not moving the goal posts, trying to raise concerns about how a blanket plan to "restitute" people for the actions of long ago dead people might cause unintended consequences in the present.

I don't think guilt is transferable in the sense if your ancestor assaulted my ancestor that you owe me restitution or you should let me punch you in the stomach. You didn't punch me, your long dead ancestor assaulted my long dead ancestor, you never did anything to me though.

A stolen physical object, which is tangible, ie "property" and still exists today could be different though. Of course the question then becomes how do you adjudicate things which happened prior to the existence of anybody living today ? How would YOU do it ?.
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My point was to show the inherent contradictions and subjectivity of defensive force, as well as the nonsense of thinking anarchy is more conductive to justice than law and order under democracy.

I don't recall restitution being the original issue, but it is a complicated argument to make. That is probably why measures taken to mitigate and reverse the effects of white oppression haven't come from a place of blame but from sympathy/understanding and pragmatism.

If guilt is not transferable through time, what is the recourse for people displaced by offensive force? When does time run out before their defensive force becomes offensive force? Who enforces that line of reasoning? If it's all just subjective, won't chaos ensue, won't order diminish?

And what about the theif selling your car to a third party? Are they now in the right to use defensive force against your offensive force to steal their property? It's nonsense. Whereas the law, created and enforced by the decentralized power of democracy, says "buyer beware," that buyers take a risk when buying stolen goods and thus are required to perform due diligence.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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PCXV said:
My point was to show the inherent contradictions and subjectivity of defensive force, as well as the nonsense of thinking anarchy is more conductive to justice than law and order under democracy.

I don't recall restitution being the original issue, but it is a complicated argument to make. That is probably why measures taken to mitigate and reverse the effects of white oppression haven't come from a place of blame but from sympathy/understanding and pragmatism.

If guilt is not transferable through time, what is the recourse for people displaced by offensive force? When does time run out before their defensive force becomes offensive force? Who enforces that line of reasoning? If it's all just subjective, won't chaos ensue, won't order diminish?

And what about the theif selling your car to a third party? Are they now in the right to use defensive force against your offensive force to steal their property? It's nonsense. Whereas the law, created and enforced by the decentralized power of democracy, says "buyer beware," that buyers take a risk when buying stolen goods and thus are required to perform due diligence.
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Thank you for asking questions in a reasonable way.

You describe two scenarios. In the first, it seems you would assign guilt to a person alive today for the actions of a person who lived long ago. I'm not sure I have a perfect answer for the question pertaining to that scenario, since I would be concerned about unintended consequences of any "solutions" which displace the responsibility. For instance, the ancestor of the person who was victimized, may also be an ancestor of the person who was the perpetrator of the victimization etc.

In the second scenario, presumably the thief is still alive, why couldn't I seek restitution from him/her ? Also, it seems reasonable if the person in possession of my car, bought it and didn't know it was stolen, to explain the situation to them and let them join me in seeking restitution from the thief.

What do you suggest as a solution ?
 
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Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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UncleBuck said:
point out my error then and tell me why your constant sponsoring of racial segregation is not at all related to your love of white nationalism.
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Well, that was a pretty reasonable request, Poopy Pants.

First of all I am not responsible for other peoples behavior. They are.

I am not responsible for how other people chose to use their property or who they invite or disinvite to their property, they are.

If I disagree with how a person uses their property and that use doesn't take away my right to use my property etc., my recourse is limited to disavowing their behavior and choosing not to associate with them, since forcing a person to associate with me on their property is an act of offensive force and would make me the aggressor.

So, to say I sponsor racial segregation is a lie. I accept that I have no right to force people, even a racist, on their own property to host people they don't want to. If you don't accept that idea, what time should I bring the gang by your house to be served supper by your wife while you watch bound and gagged in your soiled diapers ?
 
see4

see4

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Rob Roy said:
Both instances are examples of somebody forcibly taking away a persons right to self determine.

Could you do me a favor? Send Uncle Buck some cream for his sore nipples? I think his engorged man boobs might have been chafed by all his breast feeding. Thanks.
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So you believe a child should be treated exactly like an adult? As in, you're ok with adult men having consensual anal sex with 12 year old boys? In other words, you support pedophilia. Got it, thanks for clearing that up.
 
MarWan

MarWan

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see4 said:
Can you expand on that more? Who is stealing Israeli homes?
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you can take a look if you care

http://www.rense.com/general50/gu.htm
http://www.middleeasteye.net/essays/stealing-palestine-study-historical-and-cultural-theft-1001196809
https://muftah.org/fraudulent-ways-israel-expands-its-illegal-settlements/
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/israeli-settlers-steal-home-palestinian-family-east-jerusalem/
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20170211-jewish-settlers-take-over-palestinian-home-in-occupied-jerusalem/
https://www.pri.org/stories/2014-03-28/when-israeli-settlers-attack-and-steal-palestinians-now-have-strategy
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/02/israel-land-grab-law-ends-hope-state-solution-170207143602924.html
 
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