I'm in the mood to abuse my plant

Xs121 said:
So maybe you can decipher what I see on this picture.
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Because this picture alone meant more than all the botanical books I've read in regards to cannabis flowering structure.
This picture alone influence my grow style (not talking about SOG), my light schedule, my feeding, my reason for defoliation.
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i might be stabbing in the dark here but would it be a guess that its partially due to overfoliation? or perhaps a commonly misconstrued mutation?
 
Xs121 said:
You get a like for trying but nope
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well thanks, i do know first hand there are things we do and stuff that happens that could be looked at as wrong but theres more than one way to skin a cat so to speak. too many variables to ever draw a concrete conclusion about anything especially nature and plants.
 
The simple picture above is responsible for this cola
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not your typical tried and tested....this is the result of informal experimentation.

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and this cola grows in a 4x4 rockwool, with very small rootball
 
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Zarg said:
besides your defoliation are you training in other ways?
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you get another like for being nice :mrgreen:

When I started this thread I was all for sharing. I was open to share any of my experiences, knowledge, and discoveries( I believe a critical one) but the arrogance of some people here knows no bound. That said, I will not divulge any of my other practices (It's a corporate secret :mrgreen:) since its not scientific enough or I dont have the means enough to be considered serious.
 
Xs121 said:
you get another like for being nice :mrgreen:

When I started this thread I was all for sharing. I was open to share any of my experiences, knowledge, and discoveries( I believe a critical one) but the arrogance of some people here knows no bound. That said, I will not divulge any of my other practices (It's a corporate secret :mrgreen:) since its not scientific enough or I dont have the means enough to be considered serious.
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i totally understand that, i expect to encounter that myself. i kinda say that when people give me funny looks about my setup, im not the master but everything i do has a reason. stupid question but how do you like posts? is that limited to new members? haha.
 
Zarg said:
i totally understand that, i expect to encounter that myself. i kinda say that when people give me funny looks about my setup, im not the master but everything i do has a reason. stupid question but how do you like posts? is that limited to new members? haha.
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:mrgreen:

I forgot what level before you can 'like'. But you have to up level first before you can use that function. I think once you become a 'member'.

I'm kind of hesitant to say this (j/k).....but welcome to RIU
 
Xs121 said:
:mrgreen:

I forgot what level before you can 'like'. But you have to up level first before you can use that function. I think once you become a 'member'.
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well thanks! i think you got some great ideas, and glad to see you obviously dont let others influence your work. respectable.
 
Xs121 said:
So maybe you can decipher what I see on this picture.
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Because this picture alone meant more than all the botanical books I've read in regards to cannabis flowering structure.
This picture alone influence my grow style (not talking about SOG), my light schedule, my feeding, my reason for defoliation.
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I gotta ask... Why did this picture cause a defoliation test?
 
whitebb2727 said:
Depends on strain. There have been a couple people post plants that were in soil with power out for 7 days on one and around 4 or 5 on the other. The 7 day ones were mostly dead. They could recover but not worth it. The 4 to 5 day ones looked rough and yellow.

The whole thing about hydro and air to the roots I'm not sure about. I grow numerous house plants in water with no airstones. All if them are fine.

Water exchanges 02 without an Maidstone or sprayer as long as its exposed to air.

People freak out over bacteria. Thing is I have a large fish tank that I have a couple house plants growing in. I never ad chemicals. The filters haven't been changed in a year.

Why? Good bacteria. I let the good bacteria colonize and the water is stable.

I say all this because it makes me wonder. Some use good bacteria in hydro. They can run higher temps. Any type of water system you setup for fish or plants needs to sit for a week or so for the ph to stabilize. Let good bacteria grow and I think it would be fine.
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You should take a few rooted clones and see what happens if you just let them sit in your colonized water for a few days, I would bet they don't do very well. Different plants require different amounts of DO. I use to grow in a swamp on the raised mounds, lots of aquatic plants and plants in general. In times of heavy rain we had about a day to get the pots moved to higher ground or else death would occur. Even in my flood and drain using hydroguard I would see very unhappy plants if the drain got blocked stopping the recirculated of water. Pretty sure, but not certain, that even using bennies would still require added DO but maybe it would buy some time. Cool concept though, I've seen a few floating mat type veggie grows that did well :).
 
Chunky Stool said:
Creative idea, but photosynthesis requires water.
Here's a brain fart for ya... switch from soil to hydro when you chop. Plants would have to be trimmed like a lollypop. Immediately after chopping, put the main stem in a 5 gallon bucket of water with a hole cut in the lid. Maybe add a little potassium sulfate to the water for a citrus profile. Then just keep going with the same light cycle until the desired fade is achieved.
Basically the bucket is like a giant vase, and your pot plant is a giant flower. Give it a fresh cut & stick it in the vase.
Wadaya think?

I'm baked like a potato. :eyesmoke:
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Well you would need 100 plants, 50 control and 50 tested in water then a panel of 50 people to preform a blind test. Then after posting results you would be told it was a fools folly to do it because you should have tested a few hundred lol. Actually it's almost the same concept as RM exspouses re boiling to speed up the cure if I'm correct. I'm kinda high as well lol.
 
Budley Doright said:
Well you would need 100 plants, 50 control and 50 tested in water then a panel of 50 people to preform a blind test. Then after posting results you would be told it was a fools folly to do it because you should have tested a few hundred lol. Actually it's almost the same concept as RM exspouses re boiling to speed up the cure if I'm correct. I'm kinda high as well lol.
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That never crossed my mind, I'm just a simple experiment type of a guy :mrgreen:

We should sticky that and make it a standard requirement for every informal experiment/test done here in RIU .
 
Dr. Who said:
I gotta ask... Why did this picture cause a defoliation test?
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I will not discuss what I think is a critical discovery in that picture. I got lucky that all the pistils are facing in one direction and that tiny growing bud site exposes its internal structure. That was a challenge to Flowki to figure it out since he implied that he has all the comprehension of how a plant works and what is acceptable and what is not acceptable.

But, I will share this and you already know part of the answer....

root to vegetative ratio. What I see in that picture can be controlled and manipulated and root/vegetative ratio is one of the approach to manipulate it. The ratio is based on biomass (not height or width), so any negative change in biomass in either side will trigger the plant to react to reach what is the last known optimal ratio.

This logically explain why lollipop, scrog, pruning, topping or any procedures that reduces the vegetative biomass works, restricted only by the rule of third.

What's this got to do with my theory of defoliation? This becomes subjective of course hence the experiment. Optimal ratio slows down as the plant continues its growth, it will balance growth between root and vegetative (including bud sites). At one point or another, this ratio will grind to a halt...plant has reached its maximum growth potential in a given environment. In the case of cannabis, most of the top biomass is in the flower structure (hence that picture). The flowering structure of a plant is a separate identity to that of vegetative identity, it's governed by a set of different bio-chemical signalling. Since my plant has reached maturity, the optimal biomass ratio has slowed down or even insignificant. By defoliation, I'm just reducing the bio-mass of the leaves which I believe at this point is insignificant to the optimal ratio, by doing so, I'm triggering the flowering structure not the vegetative structure to increase the optimal ratio (yes that includes the so called sugar leaves). That's my premise anyway.
 
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