How to arrange these under a net

[MidnightTrain]

How would you suggest i go about feeding these through a net? I need all the netting to be at the same height, one half of the room is led, other half is hps, both sides are taking up a 4×8 space, you can see the critical+ on the led side is shorter and bushier than the rest, should I try and bend the others down to that height? How can I arrange them under the net to ensure I'm able to fill the canopy completely through the veg cycle? Or should I wait until they are bigger and then start trying to spread them out through netting?

 

[youraveragehorticulturist]

Just 1 opinion, hopefully somebody else has good insight too;

Man, it can be difficult, but I think you are going to use the net, you gotta get Rough with those plants. The tallest ones need to be lower and wider.

Either "Top" or cut or somehow remove the top few inches of the tallest plants, or bend them till they go under the net.

Cutting growth off the top sucks. It feels like a waste. Bending tall plants over sucks too. Half the time stems just break and what you're trying to bend snaps off anyway. Again, it feels like wasted time and wasted plants. But once you get them under the net, you can train the growth to go where you want, fill your space and not waste more time.

So I would urge you to get the net in there (like right at the top of the short plants) and get those tall plants under it. You might need to bust some shit up to get it done.

In the future, top and start to train sooner, to keep plants shorter and wider.

 

[growingforfun]

Bend them over an tie them to the net, it may be hard at first to get the hang of how to do it but honestly it get easy. If you want you can start training them now by drilling a hole in the top on the pot an bemding the plant over with string. Set the shorter plants on something to raise them up to the screen. Spread the plants as evenly as possible not all bunched up like in the pictures you posted.

Spread em out an the will grow into the gaps an boom your scroggin

 

[MidnightTrain]

Thanks for the advice, that's exactly what I was thinking, the only reason they are bundled up right now is for maximum light to each one but you don' think I should let them get taller first?

 

[MidnightTrain]

Just 1 opinion, hopefully somebody else has good insight too;

Man, it can be difficult, but I think you are going to use the net, you gotta get Rough with those plants. The tallest ones need to be lower and wider.

Either "Top" or cut or somehow remove the top few inches of the tallest plants, or bend them till they go under the net.

Cutting growth off the top sucks. It feels like a waste. Bending tall plants over sucks too. Half the time stems just break and what you're trying to bend snaps off anyway. Again, it feels like wasted time and wasted plants. But once you get them under the net, you can train the growth to go where you want, fill your space and not waste more time.

So I would urge you to get the net in there (like right at the top of the short plants) and get those tall plants under it. You might need to bust some shit up to get it done.

In the future, top and start to train sooner, to keep plants shorter and wider.

Thanks for the reply, and yea I totally agree with you about topping, I've been topping since I got them but I got the as "teens" so they already had a good bit of growth and were already tall when I got them, would you suggest some type of hst (i believe thats what it' called) like bending the stalk maybe 8 inches from the soil?

 

[youraveragehorticulturist]

Some dudes are Great at bending stalks, or doing crazy stuff like Supercropping.

I am not very good at those things. I worry that if I tried to "Bend stem, 8 inches from the soil," I personally would break the main stem, 8 inches from the soil. Then I'd be left with no plant. For this reason, I'd do the bending higher on the plant, so if I messed it up and broke something off, I'd still have some plant left.

Raising the short plants (like growing for fun mentioned) seems like a great idea. That way the net could be slightly higher, making it a little easier to get those tall plants under. And the short plants would still be close to the net, so you can start training them right away.

Unless head room is an issue.

 

[FennarioMike]

To supercrop, do it at a softer portion of the stem and squeeze it between your fingers until you kind of feel it squish, Then you can bend it without it breaking and without interrupting water flow to the tip. It will heal at this bend and make a hard knuckle. There are lots of youtube vids on how to do it.

 

[Cold$moke]

Excuse the mess this was an emergency set up lol.
This just shows the plants are tough

 

[Cold$moke]

HA HA also why i dont grow big in tubes anymore

 

[growingforfun]

Learning how to properly bend a plant over is a very important thing to learn, anyone who doesnt have full confidence doing it NEEDS to practice it imo, its just that important.

 

[growingforfun]

It seems worth pointing out, that if your feeling the need to bunch them up for lighting reasons NOW, and nothing is changing in flower, then theres a problem with the light isnt there.

 

[FennarioMike]

I just keep bending the main branches down under the net and let the lateral branches grow up and trim up everything under it

 

[FennarioMike]

From above - also a 4x8 tray

 

[youraveragehorticulturist]

Great visual aids guys.

Emergency cram job vs carefully planned execution. Bent or topped. Either way, plants grow and both spaces are full.

 

[MidnightTrain]

It seems worth pointing out, that if your feeling the need to bunch them up for lighting reasons NOW, and nothing is changing in flower, then theres a problem with the light isnt there.

Would you suggest adding more light? There's 2 1000 watt kinds and 2 1000 watt hps fixtures, the room is only 11×12

 

[MidnightTrain]

Excuse the mess this was an emergency set up lol.
This just shows the plants are tough View attachment 4068652

From above - also a 4x8 tray

I think it's too late for me to do them up like these, am I going to get the same results if I just bend the plants in half and put them under a net? I've done it before but it didn't look near as good as these, but I also waited until I put them in the flower room before bending over and putting under a net

 

[Cold$moke]

If your asking me my post was merely to show that the plants can take a licken and keep on tickin.

There is 12 different strains in that tube set up
DEFINITELY NOT OPTIMAL if you zoom in close you can see numbers on the stalks lol

But it can be done

No one could be able to tell you the results that YOU. Will acheive
Im just here to give you confidence that they can take abuse. Not say its the BEST way

Now fannario mike has a pretty set up .
Try to do that

Also just a tip as long as you leave the skin or bark intact it should make it.... sever the bark horizontally around the stem and youll have trouble
Vertical stem splits can be mended with duct tape

Just my 2

 

[growingforfun]

Would you suggest adding more light? There's 2 1000 watt kinds and 2 1000 watt hps fixtures, the room is only 11×12

Think about that for a second, then think about what youve said and done, then think about what ive already told you. Youve got all the answers already laod out for you.

I dont mean to be rude but we have already told you everything you need to know.

 

[MidnightTrain]

Think about that for a second, then think about what youve said and done, then think about what ive already told you. Youve got all the answers already laod out for you.

I dont mean to be rude but we have already told you everything you need to know.

I must have missed the comment about optimal lighting in that size space... like I said, they are only bunched up because with the way they were allowed to grow, one side of each one wouldn't get any light if i had them in the spots the will be in, due to the way they are growing, which is why I want to put them under a net, for even coverage. But if you think that's not enough light then I'd like to know so I can properly adjust my room for the best results possible, I'm not an expert by any means so please excuse my ignorance

 

[growingforfun]

You want 50-60 watts per sq ft, so in a 11x12 youll want a minimum of 6.6 kw of light. If you dont want to add that much light and related hardware you need to hang some panda film (black an white poly) to grt the light contained to a smaller area.

Theres some people on here trying to use less light but i dont think ive seen any good looking finished buds off these sort of people.
Generally the first problem they run into is longer grow times because the buds wont ripen up, an all the sudden its week 10 and they have small airy buds covered in white hairs.