Fogdog
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He'll blame it on Obama or at the very least, Democrats, when he and his right wing Congress tank the economy. Republicans have no sense accountability and accept no responsibility..
obama: most admired man in america hillary clinton: most admired woman in america
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Fogdog
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put me on ignore too, snowflake.
dagwood45431
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Cucked out snowflake.
Padawanbater2
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That's unfair. "The left" generally is tolerant of other viewpoints. Don't be confused to believe the loudest people on RIU represent "the left". They don't. Tolerating different viewpoints is fundamental to being progressive; if you don't, you're not progressive. This relatively new political tactic of 21st century McCarthyism is just another way of condemning the person instead of addressing the policy. Progressive populism is.. popular. Imagine that. To combat that, instead of addressing the points being made, establishment Democrats and propagandists have chosen to try to expose the things they believe will be most damning to their political opponents, personally. Things like their sexual interests, something they may have said in the past they might not even agree with today, their criminal history, or their personal, physical, or financial shortcomings.. You know, the same things the evangelical right use as moral purity tests for Republican candidates. This is as far from progressive, or left, as you can get. These people are extremists, just like the religious right.
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Padawanbater2
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To the idea that they're not just "different political viewpoints, it's racism/sexism/etc.", I'm sure some of it is. But all of it's not. To generalize everything in the same way anyway, nothing is ever actually addressed with any thoughtfulness because somehow, for some reason, trying to reason with someone who holds an unreasonable viewpoint is seen as sympathizing with their position. This is absurd. It's like saying the therapists who've worked with serial killers to try to understand their motives agree with them by simple inquiry. By trying to reach these people and understand their motives, it does not mean you agree with them in any way. This is the kind of thing I mean when I say 'effect change'. I have changed peoples minds about things who've previously been condemned as unreachable. These are generally good people who want the same things as I do, they've just been misinformed or misled. The answer is not to berate them and tell them they're stupid - that only emboldens them and strokes the ego of the person doing it. The answer is to show them what is right by way of example, just like MLK and Gandhi did. There has never been a successful political or civil rights movement based on hate and condemnation. Those that choose to perpetuate that viewpoint do a disservice to the cause they claim to support, whether they acknowledge it or not.
PCXV
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Some people you can't reason with. They are obvious trolls. There is no room for willful ignorance, prejudice, and malevolence in any discussion. Marwan, choomer, twopump, rob roy etc. are misanthropic, cynical hypocrites in the truest sense. The only choice is to ignore them or expose their lies.
dagwood45431
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Says the guy who whacks off to humiliation porn, believe "men's rights" is a real thing and makes homophobic slurs.
You, as with BTTYK, do NOT represent the left. Thank fucking gawd.
UncleBuck
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you and tty calling people "f****ots" is as far from progressive as it gets.
Padawanbater2
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100% agree. Those are the people I choose not to engage with. Why would I if I believe they can't be changed for no other reason than to stroke my own ego? Leave them alone
Again, 100% agree
I don't know Marwan or twopump, so I can't comment on either of them, but choomer and robroy hold almost completely opposing political viewpoints that I do, many of which I find completely offensive and we can still manage to hold civil, productive conversations about important topics without resorting to hate. I chose to instead of ignore them, try to talk to them like normal human beings without approaching the situation with malice or judgment. I can still leave the conversation opposing their opinion, simply asking about it and talking about it doesn't mean I support it. But it does give me a much better insight into why they believe it than I otherwise would have had without it. That, to me, is worth something.
Padawanbater2
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I just described the exact tactic you've displayed here in the post you quoted..
Do either of you realize you just proved my point?
UncleBuck
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was your point that only true progressives! call people by bigoted slurs?
don't get me started on your racist budy schuylaar either.
Padawanbater2
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You specifically highlight progressives for their sexual interests in order to condemn them, just like evangelical Christians do towards homosexual people, as a way to obfuscate actually addressing the more popular and more progressive position they hold over the candidate you support
Why does it matter to you what someone is into sexually so long as everything is legal and everyone consensented?
UncleBuck
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oh, there's the problem. you think i am targeting progressives in general. also, you think you are a progressive. both false notions
no, i just target insufferable shitheads and racists. you fall in the former category although you and tty are quickly expanding to both.
twostrokenut
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what is your opinion on @UncleBuck jerking off to Facebook pics of underaged girls like he did on here? I mean I guess it's technically legal but then again it's Roy Moore status.
Padawanbater2
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You target anyone who does not hold the exact same political beliefs that you do, that includes progressives. You're a neoliberal, someone who supports the corporate agenda of the establishment faction of the Democratic party, against the working class
Padawanbater2
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How would you know he did that?
UncleBuck
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the working class supported hillary.
remember when you then tried to argue that they only did that because trump sucked so bad? and then i pointed out that hillary clobbered bernie among the working class too?
funny shit, i'd have thought you wouldn;t be so stupid to just keep walking right into that one.
twostrokenut
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because we don't have student loans and are fiscally conservative? dude I'm more socially liberal than you are I bet.
UncleBuck
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UncleBuck
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"fiscally conservative" - lost his down payment and 10 years of mortgage payments on a house he couldn;t afford, moved into a trailer which will depreciate to $0.00
"socially liberal" - opposes civil rights laws because they would only serve to enrage racist whites