Organic Vs. Synthetic Nutrients

[Chunky Stool]

i would guess the salts in synthetic nutes are not good for your bene colony?

Actually "semi-organic" works very well. Rotating different nutes can also work well if you know what you're doing.
These plants have been give nutrient tea, DG Foliage Pro, and Megacrop

 

[Kingrow1]

The way i see it is that synth ferts dont harm your microherd, i mean those fuckers can survive a lot and colonize very inhospitable environments, but if you dont feed them organic matter they starve and die or hibernate. To me this is why synth and organic work well together.

Probably still have a microherd with synth nutes but just those that eat raw nitrate and stuff and by this point they aint making enough of what your plant needs.

 

[Yodaweed]

The way i see it is that synth ferts dont harm your microherd, i mean those fuckers can survive a lot and colonize very inhospitable environments, but if you dont feed them organic matter they starve and die or hibernate. To me this is why synth and organic work well together.

Probably still have a microherd with synth nutes but just those that eat raw nitrate and stuff and by this point they aint making enough of what your plant needs.

salts dry them out and they die, synth nutes and organic don't mix.

 

[Olive Drab Green]

 

[Kingrow1]

salts dry them out and they die, synth nutes and organic don't mix.

I would need you to produce studies on this from wiley, ncbi or any other highly recognized scientific governing body as there are many salinity tollerant microbes bacteria and fungi in soil that kick dirt in your broad statement.

Salts are one thing that allow many organisms to dominate over others in the evolutionary race to cultivate organic food sources.

Many years has this subject bounced back and forth here and many years has base information not been presented. We could look at individual species and create quite a long list of stuff that tolerates salt fertilization.

Sorry but it has to be said

 

[Olive Drab Green]

The Master Pack is the Roots Organics Player Pack with the addition of Soul Synthetics’ Amino Aid (Veg boost which assists in the uptake of nutrition) and Big Swell (Bloom Finisher) which are organically derived and more satisfactorily organically-derived substances than most OMRI or CDFA listed organics.

I think if you do mix the two though, it should only be organic with 1-2 things that are ethically created synthetics. I think force-feeding chelates defeats the purpose of a living soil, and I’d imagine chelate build-up in the soil could create an inhospitable environment for the bennies if built up.

 

[Budley Doright]

Not scientific data here but just a lot of people running beanies in hydro, does it do anything, I think it does as hydroguard seemed to help a stubborn root rot issue. Yes I needed to replenish but they must have lived a while lol.

 

[Olive Drab Green]

Not scientific data here but just a lot of people running beanies in hydro, does it do anything, I think it does as hydroguard seemed to help a stubborn root rot issue. Yes I needed to replenish but they must have lived a while lol.

Well, the myco is an inoculant. It’s not meant to take up Synthetics, but the fungal attachment protects the root system in hydro along with aerobic bacteria fighting off any anaerobic bacteria.

 

[Stink Bug]

The way i see it is that synth ferts dont harm your microherd, i mean those fuckers can survive a lot and colonize very inhospitable environments, but if you dont feed them organic matter they starve and die or hibernate. To me this is why synth and organic work well together.

Probably still have a microherd with synth nutes but just those that eat raw nitrate and stuff and by this point they aint making enough of what your plant needs.

You are correct. Even synthetics contain amonical and urea N among other things that must be processed by microbes before they become available to the plant.

 

[Kingrow1]

You are correct. Even synthetics contain amonical and urea N among other things that must be processed by microbes before they become available to the plant.

Some seem to be quoting info from hyper saline soils not normal soils. Not just me whos correct, members here have also cited the science over the years and one main fact was that if plant roots can handle the salinity then alk the relevant microbes that inhabit those roots can also.

What were dealing with here is a whole subsection of brology perpetuated by members ignorance to true science and those with the education to actually study the subject in detail.

But who am i to argue, blindly many hand over cash for soil benies, not that we havent laughed at the cap and others in threads over the years that have formed a whole industry of mj growers around it.

Lauaghable...

 

[Kingrow1]

Not scientific data here but just a lot of people running beanies in hydro, does it do anything, I think it does as hydroguard seemed to help a stubborn root rot issue. Yes I needed to replenish but they must have lived a while lol.

Different organisms can be beneficial or not in many different situations, isolate and culture the ones that are beneficial in water environments then let them dominate the others

 

[Yodaweed]

I would need you to produce studies on this from wiley, ncbi or any other highly recognized scientific governing body as there are many salinity tollerant microbes bacteria and fungi in soil that kick dirt in your broad statement.

Salts are one thing that allow many organisms to dominate over others in the evolutionary race to cultivate organic food sources.

Many years has this subject bounced back and forth here and many years has base information not been presented. We could look at individual species and create quite a long list of stuff that tolerates salt fertilization.

Sorry but it has to be said

Read teaming with microbes, it says it in that book .

 

[Kingrow1]

Read teaming with microbes, it says it in that book .

Good book but its far from the whole truth, uncover a res and watch stuff grow in the light, see trichoderma form a green layer on synth fed rockwool etc etc etc.

Easy to prove that most stuff isnt that troubled by what levels of chems we feed.

Just saying that the basic info given isnt really reality, root rot wouldnt happen and a whole host of organisms etc etc etc.

Obviously this book dosent account for these basic soil and water dwelling organisms and a lot of their info has been superceeded by 21st century science.

Lets be honest here

 

[Budley Doright]

Just from an observational point I tend to agree that a salt based res will still allow the growth of bacteria as I've seen it, although it was bad bacteria lol. I stopped using hydroguard when it became unavailable here and honestly the girls are none the worst that I can tell. Also with my soil grows I have not seen a difference in plants that have a diet of salts versus organic but have not done a side by. Well that's not true really, my brother uses MG on his grow and they typically out perform my compost grows lol. Really if your growing using salts is the addition of beanies even required?

 

[Budley Doright]

You are correct. Even synthetics contain amonical and urea N among other things that must be processed by microbes before they become available to the plant.

So these forms of N are not required for optimum plant development? A sterile res would not allow this process correct?

 

[Heil Tweetler]

salts dry them out and they die, synth nutes and organic don't mix.

No. Provide a citation for your mistaken beliefs. Uninformed bs is a dead end to learning

 

[Stink Bug]

So these forms of N are not required for optimum plant development? A sterile res would not allow this process correct?

No they are not. A plant will survive just fine with just nitrate N. Which is the type of N used in hydro specific nutes.
I am not an expert in hydro, but if you run a sterile res with only ammoniacal and/or urea N the plants would suffer from the lack of N.

 

[Dr. Who]

Synthetic nutrients don't "kill" bio's.

You CAN mix synthetic and organic.

Organic liquid nutrients are most likely already chelated and plant ready. The thing is they are organically chelated.
That's the only difference there.

Some argue that's not organic growing! (using organically chelated, plant ready nutrition.)

I agree with that side of the argument.

Unless your using or building an organic, nutrient rich, water only soil (or top dress, use raw teas), and not adding pre chelated liquid nutrients.
Your not growing organically.....

It's the living soil that does the work.

With those pre chelated "organic" liquid nutrients, being plant ready, are for the most part. Bypassing the bio's and going straight to the plant.
Your loosing something that the living soil provides....

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

Sort of @Dr. Who. With organic bottled nutrients some of the elements are taken up directly and some bond with the soil and the bacteria needs to break it down into usable forms.


And just to add (of course you already know this)

Chemical based nutes don’t automatically kill the life in the soil. Even the common amount of chlorine/chloromine is a minor hinderance.

Further and this is just my opinion. The best way to grow delicious potent pot is to combine good potting soil and supplement with easily uptaken complete fertilizer with chelated micronutrients.

Only way other than properly executed hydro to be sure (mostly sure) the plants actually get the elements they need when they need them.

And if we take this to what method would provide the most controlled, clean, consistent medicine.

This may be an unpopular answer but hydro with complete professional chemical based fertilizer will have the least contamination and the highest potency.

But I like container gardening and doing what we like and are comfortable with is important to results too. And for me the growing is as important as the meds for my treatment.

 

[Johnny Lawrence]

Read teaming with microbes, it says it in that book .

http://www.gardenmyths.com/teaming-with-microbes-book-review/