atomicDETH
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I have 400 watt Vero 29 and is fantastic but been wanting to buy the hlg 550. Seems like a good buy for 840$
they look like nicely built boards. it will be a little while before i get a chance to test it.It's been a couple weeks. Paging @CobKits Paging @CobKits .
Anything to report on these?
I'm going to update my original post with a summary of everything we've learned in this thread. Gonna throw in some pics of my two lights setup in the tent. Going to post a pic of the different diodes to compare so people can see what they are getting. Going to add par numbers for both lights. Would like to add Cobs impression of these boards on the original post too.
No prob. As long as it's still on your agenda. When you do I'll put that info on the initial post.they look like nicely built boards. it will be a little while before i get a chance to test it.
Shoot just assumed their would be an edit button. Bummer. Guess people will just have to read the whole thing. Maybe throw in a summary every ten pages. Anyway, looking forward to hearing how the testing goes.forum doesnt work like that sadly
"What is a quality control paper" in all likelihood not worth the paper it is printed.Interestingly, I've been speaking with them for the past few days. They have shown me they do have and do use LM561C. I have not asked for quality control paper, but did get a bunch of pics. What is a quality control paper?
Somewhat I agree with you with most of it.. but when you take a minute to think about it and realize that the quantum boards were build in china before they recently made the business decision to have the qb288 made in usa.. it goes a long way telling you that id get a similar quality of their board if I order from china directly like they used to do while saving on their markup.. im not saying the QB are not worth the price they are being sold. Im just saying I was willing to get whatever China will send me at the price they gave m knowing id have similar quality but especially similar perfomance..."What is a quality control paper" in all likelihood not worth the paper it is printed.
Back in the day, I used to buy induction lamps from China. After having many QC issues with many factories I settled on working with YML for a brief period (yes I am calling them out in the spirit of Public interest). I got to become good friends with one of their sales reps and after having issues with YML components, he revealed all to me. He told me how most of the certification is forged and QC is lacking to say the least.
He then went on to tell me how YML got an order for just 0ver 9 million usd and charged the customer for nano-reflective paint. Needless to say, the reflectors did not come supplied with the "Paid for" Nano-paint, which ended with a seriously pissed customer. Bear in mind, at the time YML was No2 in the world when it comes to supplying induction lamps.
He also told me how he was against such practices and felt embarrassed by what was going on, but sadly the Chinese economic structure is such, and our demands for "Cheapness" as prawnconnery so rightly pointed out, has created a nightmarish situation, whereby the bottom line has been driven into the ground and Chinese workers desperate to keep their jobs and put food on their table will say anything to get the sale.
Another thing he told me, which I found both interesting and telling, is that even Chinese consumers do not trust Chinese manufacturers, and he asked me if I had heard about the "Chinese Milk Scandal" needless to say it is shocking what happened, and such sentiments serve only to reflect a lot of what Prawn was saying,
In this world, you really do get what you pay for. Me personally I would rather stick with those I know have worked hard to build up a trusted reputation, rather than deal with Rip Off Merchants who are renowned for their untrustworthiness, on the off chance that I might get a bargain.
You need to ask yourselves why stuff is really that cheap? It's cheap for a reason, and not a good one either.
This thread only serves to prove, that all that glitters is not Gold. Ultimately you get what you pay for. Cheapness Buyers Beware!
I just don't see the individual consumer having the clout to hold these Chinese manufacturers accountable. I don't believe that the average Joe will be treated with the same respect as companies that have long-term contracts, and that are buying a hell of a lot more than just a few boards for a light or two.Somewhat I agree with you with most of it.. but when you take a minute to think about it and realize that the quantum boards were build in china before they recently made the business decision to have the qb288 made in usa.. it goes a long way telling you that id get a similar quality of their board if I order from china directly like they used to do while saving on their markup.. im not saying the QB are not worth the price they are being sold. Im just saying I was willing to get whatever China will send me at the price they gave m knowing id have similar quality but especially similar perfomance...
What makes it so interesting to order those lm561 board from china is there isnt much pieces to assemble together.. pcb boards have existed for years.. so at that point its just a matter of putting the led on the boards.. the lm561c are fairly cheap so really there isnt much reason to use anything else or create their own fake led light to save money..
Thats just my two cents
Care to elaborate?It's clear many of you don't know how retail works.
I hear ya, but I feel you have missed a major point, that is someone or two worked hard to create that original QB.Somewhat I agree with you with most of it.. but when you take a minute to think about it and realize that the quantum boards were build in china before they recently made the business decision to have the qb288 made in usa.. it goes a long way telling you that id get a similar quality of their board if I order from china directly like they used to do while saving on their markup.. im not saying the QB are not worth the price they are being sold. Im just saying I was willing to get whatever China will send me at the price they gave m knowing id have similar quality but especially similar perfomance...
What makes it so interesting to order those lm561 board from china is there isnt much pieces to assemble together.. pcb boards have existed for years.. so at that point its just a matter of putting the led on the boards.. the lm561c are fairly cheap so really there isnt much reason to use anything else or create their own fake led light to save money..
Thats just my two cents
What about Nextlight?I hear ya, but I feel you have missed a major point, that is someone or two worked hard to create that original QB.
In all likelihood, they probably went to China sat down with the manufacturer with a completed MTO, then gave them a BOQ and BOM, along with a step by step process of how to manufacture, check and store the original QB's to ensure rigid manufacturing and quality control processes are in place.
How many hours do you think were spent in the planning, testing, and development stages before the first QB was ever made?
Like you say pcb boards have existed for years, and during all that time guess what. Not one QB in sight, in all that time.
Not until the rip off merchants clocked onto what a great product it was, and probably started selling the QB's right out the back door as they normally do. All the while profiting off some else's hard-earned hours. That same someone who probably showed them how to manufacture the board to that standard of quality. And this is how they are repaid. Now hardly fair, is it?
Especially as an argument could be made that this iteration of the Lm561 board would not be in existence had it not been for its original creator.
QB's have blatantly been ripped off. But I guess until you have spent many a long hour creating your own product only to then watch as it too is ripped off, you are not going understand how that feels, nor how wrong it is to do such a thing.
It is so wrong as RIU members to knowingly contribute to the purchase of a product that has been ripped off, by a manufacturer that tried to put the original creator out of business just because he had the manufacturing capability to do so. By simply increasing the volume of production in order to drive the price down. Talk about biting the hand that fed you.
Where's the RIU community spirit and community support in any of that?
But I guess different strokes for different folks and all that, screw morals, so long as it's cheap that's all that matters riiight!
so HLG ripped off nextlightLike you say pcb boards have existed for years, and during all that time guess what. Not one QB in sight, in all that time.
Not until the rip off merchants clocked onto what a great product it was, and probably started selling the QB's right out the back door as they normally do. All the while profiting off some else's hard-earned hours. That same someone who probably showed them how to manufacture the board to that standard of quality. And this is how they are repaid. Now hardly fair, is it?
LED in street lights use the same concept as LED on a board - it's nothing new. The layout of the led on the board to be honest can literally be ANYTHING as long as you get the spread, and the power, you'll be able to grow good. That's why so many people uses strips right now.From what I can remember QB's and the Next light used the same chips, but that is where the similarities began and ended.
After that you had 2 totally different products one was a completed light aimed at non-diyers.
The other product filled a niche gap in the market during the COB craze, and was aimed at the DIY end of the market.
Sure they both used the same chips, but their paths diverged into 2 completely different products aimed at different markets. Would you call that copying? Because I certainly see no evidence of that. Are we then going to argue, "well all light manufacturers are copying the sun" so none of them has an original idea?.
Generally, what has been happening is there has been a steady progression of lighting technology, which is a good thing. But what's been happening with regards to Chinese Lm561 boards is nothing more than a blatant rip off of a good idea, not cool.
Comparing the Next light to a Quantum Board, is like comparing Apples to Oranges. Yeah they are both sweet fruits but that's about all they have in common with each other.
There is a clear distinction between outright Copying and Technological progression.