ANC
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I'l lkeep my nose open, most of the weed I've gotten these last 2 or 3 times were very liquorice swazi.
Getting some tomorrow again, will check if there is any of that and hunt a few seeds out for you if it is good smoke.
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Getting some tomorrow again, will check if there is any of that and hunt a few seeds out for you if it is good smoke.
Viceman666
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I was assuming for the same genetics this is what affect the grow of your plant.
Yes genetic has an impact but to say the old old one (aka original one) were the best.. they had poor genetics.. if you feel they smell or taste better its in your head just like you probably listen to vynils thinking this is the best sound.. they evolved the gentics for one ONLY reason.. its to make them better period.. I agree there is bad genetics plant here and there but nowadays theres a lot of good seeds bank around the world so this shouldnt be an issue for most growers
ANC
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I know what you mean man, I remember the first time a dropped a proper seed from Holland.
Up to that point, I didn't even know weed can be that sticky. Tried to wash the shit off with soap.
Was maybe a 3-foot plant with almost 2/3rds being cola because I planted outdoors late in December.
Up to that point, I didn't even know weed can be that sticky. Tried to wash the shit off with soap.
Was maybe a 3-foot plant with almost 2/3rds being cola because I planted outdoors late in December.
tstick
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Sorry. I didn't want to hijack the intent of this thread.
Yes, technology is superior now compared to what it used to be. However, because of selective hybridization, many of the unique and magical qualities found in the old landrace strains have been weakened or altogether obliterated in favor of things like yield or pest resistance. No light of any kind will bring those qualities back. The qualities that I look for in finished marijuana, don't have anything to do with how many grams per watt were produced.
Yes, all other things being equal, the more advanced and efficient technologies will likely do a better job of growing the plants than did yesterday's technologies. But today's technologies have evolved hand-in-hand with plants that have a very "muddy" and blurred genetic line -a much more generalized genetic line blending both sativas and indicas together in almost every instance.
It's actually a bit difficult to predict which light an old landrace strain might prefer, tbh. Maybe there was something about the way the fluorescent tubes hummed....or maybe the sick, plasma color of sodium vapor HID lights and infra-red heat triggered some kind of internal flavor/effect trigger in the old strains that a modern hybrid wouldn't be triggered as much by with an efficient, full-spectrum LED. Or, maybe because those old flavor/effect constituents don't even exist in hybrid strains or have become muted at least....Landrace strains don't grow the way modern hybrid strains grow, so it's hard to say which technology they might respond to best. Each landrace strain is likely to have some specialized growing requirements whereas a modern hybrid strain is pretty much good-to-grow under various environmental inconsistencies.
I have been around long enough in the game to have seen incredible marijuana grown under less-than-stellar technology. And I have yet to see anywhere on the West Coast (where I live) that is producing anything like the old landrace strains that I was very familiar with in the 70's. People say they have them...but....I have yet to see them anywhere. I would think that the word would be out pretty quickly if someone suddenly showed up with some old school landrace Thai...because the people (like myself) who would be able to recognize them....would be all over them. But IF they are out there, they are sure staying a well-kept secret....maybe one of the best-kept secrets of all times!
Yes, technology is superior now compared to what it used to be. However, because of selective hybridization, many of the unique and magical qualities found in the old landrace strains have been weakened or altogether obliterated in favor of things like yield or pest resistance. No light of any kind will bring those qualities back. The qualities that I look for in finished marijuana, don't have anything to do with how many grams per watt were produced.
Yes, all other things being equal, the more advanced and efficient technologies will likely do a better job of growing the plants than did yesterday's technologies. But today's technologies have evolved hand-in-hand with plants that have a very "muddy" and blurred genetic line -a much more generalized genetic line blending both sativas and indicas together in almost every instance.
It's actually a bit difficult to predict which light an old landrace strain might prefer, tbh. Maybe there was something about the way the fluorescent tubes hummed....or maybe the sick, plasma color of sodium vapor HID lights and infra-red heat triggered some kind of internal flavor/effect trigger in the old strains that a modern hybrid wouldn't be triggered as much by with an efficient, full-spectrum LED. Or, maybe because those old flavor/effect constituents don't even exist in hybrid strains or have become muted at least....Landrace strains don't grow the way modern hybrid strains grow, so it's hard to say which technology they might respond to best. Each landrace strain is likely to have some specialized growing requirements whereas a modern hybrid strain is pretty much good-to-grow under various environmental inconsistencies.
I have been around long enough in the game to have seen incredible marijuana grown under less-than-stellar technology. And I have yet to see anywhere on the West Coast (where I live) that is producing anything like the old landrace strains that I was very familiar with in the 70's. People say they have them...but....I have yet to see them anywhere. I would think that the word would be out pretty quickly if someone suddenly showed up with some old school landrace Thai...because the people (like myself) who would be able to recognize them....would be all over them. But IF they are out there, they are sure staying a well-kept secret....maybe one of the best-kept secrets of all times!
I'm getting close .... I have two lines I'm developing that have crossed in Colombian MangoBiche, Thai, Malawi, and Santa Maria. Generally I'm finding most of the landrace strains I have screened don't have a super high potency more like 15% rather than 20-25% thc. Makes it hard to compete even if the high is better.
tstick
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Yes, it makes it hard to compete against the current market with the trend towards high THC strains, but I've found that, over the years, the only competition that I'm in is the one with my own taste buds. I tend to be more of a flavor seeker when it comes to smoking straight flower. If I want to jack up the THC experience, then I can take a couple dabs of something more concentrated. But there just isn't any replacing the really unique flavors of the old landrace strains when it comes to smoking flower.
OneHitDone
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OLD MOTHER SATIVA
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there is a difference between 15 % landrace sativa and 20+% hybrids....
for me the word "high" only relates to the pure sativas generally..
the other my brain says..well iam something and its strong and pretty good but its not high
OLD MOTHER SATIVA
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its not the flavours..they do not get you high
growing landrace sativas vs glitzy hybrid$..is no way to compete..its not the same
landrace sativa is ALL about certain "mood alterating" characteristics one cannot get from the "other stuff "
not the taste.....
you either understand that or you don't
also imho
if you constantly pound your neuro receptors with high thc hybrid/indicas..its hard for them to translate
the high to your brain..
no doubt ... That's why started with a 20 week Colombian Mangobiche from cannabiogen.
what is your fav landrace sativa ?
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Humple
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Hmm... Why can't landrace sativas be about the high AND the taste? Pretty sure it's about whatever matters to the individual.
OLD MOTHER SATIVA
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well yes of course they can be about taste too......
i was giving my opinon....that the only real thing i care about is the type of high..
then if it tastes good ..thats a bonus..
and you are free to like what you like..
just imho taste or dough is not the reason to get into sativas
i was giving my opinon....that the only real thing i care about is the type of high..
then if it tastes good ..thats a bonus..
and you are free to like what you like..
just imho taste or dough is not the reason to get into sativas
OLD MOTHER SATIVA
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...dang that sounds good..heard good things about it..
don't have a fave yet still going through them...
t h mex..what i am smoking now..i like it..
panama..what i am growing....
zygotes mex growing itnow ..has potential
growing kona..and iss
sl mex is good but maybe too sedative..trying to finish it well
also very sativa phenos of kq..we will see..
WeedSexWeightsShakes
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Get yourself a herbilizer or volcano and everything taste good
tstick
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Nah. A vaporizer only "peels off" certain components in the organic material according to the temperature that's used. To a smoker, like me, it's not a full-spectrum flavor. Don't get me wrong....vapes are cool. I have tried several...preferring the Da Buddha, but, again, it's not the same as smoking real old school marijuana. Vaping flower isn't where it's at for me. I prefer dabbing a concentrate for the vapor experience.
I'm sorry to say that only us old people are going to really know what I'm talking about because time has taken away most of those "pure" strains that stunk so much and tasted so good. It pisses me off because I wish that everyone could have that kind of experience, today. But all the old, inefficient, pest-prone, low-yielding, flavor-packed strains are gone.
I remember when I got my medical card, I went crazy to try all the strains like a kid in the candy store. I remember when I saw "Blueberry" and "Acapulco Gold" and "Columbian" and recognized the names....but was sadly disappointed when the buds advertised as such, turned out to be nothing more than examples of mediocre sinsemilla of some kind -nothing to set off any memory receptors in my brain the way certain flavors and smells can do....nothing like that at all. And I quickly learned the strain name game was nothing more than just that -a game. Anyone can call any strain of marijuana anything they want....and unless you are old enough to know what it used to be like, you'll never be able to recognize the qualities now.
An example of something more recent, but similar to my point: When Girl Scout Cookies came onto the scene, it was a big deal because it was something that actually had a bit of flavor to it....but then almost instantly, there were several "versions" of the original that got made and eventually Girl Scout Cookies also became mediocre and much like everything else out there.
A major problem nowadays is that there is an overproduction of mediocre hybrid marijuana everywhere -to such an extent that the mediocrity has become the norm and the only distinction in the marketplace is in terms of THC levels.
It's ALL about the flavor to me....because like I say, THC is THC. On a molecular level, it doesn't matter if the THC comes from an Indica or from a Sativa....It's still THC. The the flavor components can be almost infinitely variable and I believe that this is where the "secret" of the landrace strains come from. Marijuana plants have evolved within nature for thousands of years and each of the natural strains has developed unique attractants to get the attention of whatever outside organisms are around to come in and help maintain that genetic line. And a few seconds of indiscriminate pollen chucking can mess those evolved traits up just like that. And that's what has happened to the old school weed.
I'm sorry to say that only us old people are going to really know what I'm talking about because time has taken away most of those "pure" strains that stunk so much and tasted so good. It pisses me off because I wish that everyone could have that kind of experience, today. But all the old, inefficient, pest-prone, low-yielding, flavor-packed strains are gone.
I remember when I got my medical card, I went crazy to try all the strains like a kid in the candy store. I remember when I saw "Blueberry" and "Acapulco Gold" and "Columbian" and recognized the names....but was sadly disappointed when the buds advertised as such, turned out to be nothing more than examples of mediocre sinsemilla of some kind -nothing to set off any memory receptors in my brain the way certain flavors and smells can do....nothing like that at all. And I quickly learned the strain name game was nothing more than just that -a game. Anyone can call any strain of marijuana anything they want....and unless you are old enough to know what it used to be like, you'll never be able to recognize the qualities now.
An example of something more recent, but similar to my point: When Girl Scout Cookies came onto the scene, it was a big deal because it was something that actually had a bit of flavor to it....but then almost instantly, there were several "versions" of the original that got made and eventually Girl Scout Cookies also became mediocre and much like everything else out there.
A major problem nowadays is that there is an overproduction of mediocre hybrid marijuana everywhere -to such an extent that the mediocrity has become the norm and the only distinction in the marketplace is in terms of THC levels.
It's ALL about the flavor to me....because like I say, THC is THC. On a molecular level, it doesn't matter if the THC comes from an Indica or from a Sativa....It's still THC. The the flavor components can be almost infinitely variable and I believe that this is where the "secret" of the landrace strains come from. Marijuana plants have evolved within nature for thousands of years and each of the natural strains has developed unique attractants to get the attention of whatever outside organisms are around to come in and help maintain that genetic line. And a few seconds of indiscriminate pollen chucking can mess those evolved traits up just like that. And that's what has happened to the old school weed.
WeedSexWeightsShakes
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I care about my health more then the average person.
Vape>smoking for me
Don’t get me wrong tho I love smoking but I can feel it in my lungs after awhile.
By the way vapes “peels off” all the good shit we are after lol, cannabanoids.
Vape>smoking for me
Don’t get me wrong tho I love smoking but I can feel it in my lungs after awhile.
By the way vapes “peels off” all the good shit we are after lol, cannabanoids.
OLD MOTHER SATIVA
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"It's ALL about the flavor to me....because like I say, THC is THC. On a molecular level, it doesn't matter if the THC comes from an Indica or from a Sativa....It's still THC. The the flavor components can be almost infinitely variable and I believe that this is where the "secret" of the landrace strains come from."
>i support your right to be all about flavour ...however..there are giant" mood altering" difference's between thc vs thc..
much of it is quickly obvious smoking sativa vs indica...
i am ALL about particular "mood altering characteristics" of thc
and[ i guess ] its related"mood altering" compounds...
>i support your right to be all about flavour ...however..there are giant" mood altering" difference's between thc vs thc..
much of it is quickly obvious smoking sativa vs indica...
i am ALL about particular "mood altering characteristics" of thc
and[ i guess ] its related"mood altering" compounds...
WeedSexWeightsShakes
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I wonder is it the other cannabinoids that change effects or is it the thc in different strains?
If that question makes sense.
OneHitDone
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It is my understanding that it is the "Other Terps" that influence the effects.
Don't believe there is "Indica" or "Sativa" THC
Just like in CBD's why Hemp derived Isolate is shit compared to Whole Terp CBD Drug Strain extract. You need all those secondary terps and compounds to get the real benefits from different strains
