Trump and the NRA's answer to mass shootings

[Jimdamick]

The Trump administration says it is "actively exploring" ways to help states expand inpatient mental health treatment, like institutions, using Medicaid funds (which he wants to cut)

President Donald Trump again brought up the issue of mental hospitals in a meeting with governors on Monday, invoking a time when states maintained facilities for mentally ill and developmentally disabled people.

"In the old days, you would put him into a mental institution (nut house)" Trump said, apparently referring to alleged shooter Nikolas Cruz, whose troubling behavior prompted people close to him to plead for help from authorities, without success. "We're going to have to start talking about mental institutions ...we have nothing between a prison and leaving him at his house, which we can't do anymore."

Good idea right?

Somehow, it leaves a really bad taste in my mouth, if he really thinks that would be a solution.

What do you think?

 

[Fogdog]

The Trump administration says it is "actively exploring" ways to help states expand inpatient mental health treatment, like institutions, using Medicaid funds (which he wants to cut)

President Donald Trump again brought up the issue of mental hospitals in a meeting with governors on Monday, invoking a time when states maintained facilities for mentally ill and developmentally disabled people.

"In the old days, you would put him into a mental institution (nut house)" Trump said, apparently referring to alleged shooter Nikolas Cruz, whose troubling behavior prompted people close to him to plead for help from authorities, without success. "We're going to have to start talking about mental institutions ...we have nothing between a prison and leaving him at his house, which we can't do anymore."

Good idea right?

Somehow, it leaves a really bad taste in my mouth, if he really thinks that would be a solution.

What do you think?

There is this strange attitude coming from Republicans about government workers. They cut staff, they cut pay, they criticize whenever they actually enforce the law and then whenever anything goes wrong they expect this staff that they cut, overwork and criticize to do something they were never intended to do. Arm teachers. Never mind that their class sizes have ballooned due to cut budgets, no, step up and start packing.

Then the very idea that mental health institutions are the ones Trump wants to use to create order in this society. Never mind that the mental health system in Florida is deplorably under staffed, and they don't have the budget. So what Trump is talking about is fantasy. Still, the idea that you involuntarily are sent to the mental health institution on the word of an official makes me queasy.

Insult a cop, hello Missus Ratchet. Eh, what's that thing you are sticking in my mouth and why am I strapped in this chair? Zap.

How well will that turn out?

 

[captainmorgan]

The jails and prisons are filled with the mentally ill since they closed all those facilities from the past. There used to be two large facilities within 40 miles of my area that closed years ago.

 

[Fogdog]

The jails and prisons are filled with the mentally ill since they closed all those facilities from the past. There used to be two large facilities within 40 miles of my area that closed years ago.

Right, so what Trump was really doing was deflecting or fantasizing.

 

[PCXV]

If he means we just need better mental health services and public funding to ensure that, then I'd agree. There needs to be medically legitimate diagnoses, oversight to ensure fair treatment, due process, etc. but if it was done right, I would probably support funding some public inpatient mental health facilities.

 

[PCXV]

Right, so what Trump was really doing was deflecting or fantasizing.

Telling conservatives what they want to hear while he does the opposite to get peoples' focus off of guns/the NRA.

 

[Fogdog]

If he means we just need better mental health services and public funding to ensure that, then I'd agree. There needs to be medically legitimate diagnoses, oversight to ensure fair treatment, due process, etc. but if it was done right, I would probably support funding some public inpatient mental health facilities.

Trump doesn't intend to actually upgrade mental health services. It would be completely out of his management style which is to cut without understanding what the cuts mean to people who depend on the services he's fucking with.

 

[zeddd]

This is straight out of the Nazi playbook. It’s an absolutely appalling idea. Pure Trump

 

[abandonconflict]

I think I'd prefer thoughts and prayers.

 

[Grandpapy]

Trump doesn't intend to actually upgrade mental health services. It would be completely out of his management style which is to cut without understanding what the cuts mean to people who depend on the services he's fucking with.

Perhaps sell it as a covert operation where every child was seen by a Dr. on a regular basis to benefit Pharma.

 

[zeddd]

Perhaps sell it as a covert operation where every child was seen by a Dr. on a regular basis to benefit Pharma.

There is that to consider, the f greed of these trump people is outrageous

 

[chiqifella]

Perhaps sell it as a covert operation where every child was seen by a Dr. on a regular basis to benefit Pharma.

Big Pharma has been doing this for many years in k-12 schools.

 

[Grandpapy]

More than 10 percent of kids under 5 in California have a disability or special need that may impact their ability to play and learn. If you think your child might have a disability, health, or mental health condition, you should seek a doctor's help right away. Early intervention services are most effective if started before a child turns 3.
http://www.first5california.com/health-center.aspx?id=6

 

[Fogdog]

More than 10 percent of kids under 5 in California have a disability or special need that may impact their ability to play and learn. If you think your child might have a disability, health, or mental health condition, you should seek a doctor's help right away. Early intervention services are most effective if started before a child turns 3.
http://www.first5california.com/health-center.aspx?id=6

I hope those kids get professional therapy and a chance to work it out before drugs are employed.

This raises the question,

Why do 3.3% of kids in CA "need" adderal and 10% of kids in KY, Lou, and Ind need it?

Is big pharma hijacking kids lives in red states or is it something in the water?

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

doesn't it seem odd that more than 10% of the children in a given area have physical and mental health issues? doesn't that seem like a very high percentage? i lived in a town of about 2000 people for quite a while, and i can't recall a single kid in school that had issues severe enough to be recognized by the state. a lot of them were assholes, but hey, that's people for you. i think there's a boiling point, when the population in a given area reaches a critical point, it starts to mess with people. not enough quiet, not enough privacy, too much open hostility, too many distractions....i think people are bad for people....

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

Trump is for any solution that doesn't call for him to actually do anything. he's not talking about nice modern facilities with good doctors and staff, to help these people, he's talking about one flew over the cuckoo's nest shitholes to hide these people in.

 

[zeddd]

it starts to mess with people. not enough quiet, not enough privacy, too much open hostility, too many distractions....i think people are bad for people....

I hope you don’t own a gun, you are clearly troubled by your fellow humans

 

[chiqifella]

I think Roger is one of the most level headed type posters here

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

i appreciate that, but i do go off from time to time, please ignore me when i do...

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

I hope you don’t own a gun, you are clearly troubled by your fellow humans

i own two, wanna go to the range? i'll buy