giglewigle
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im looking 2 upgrayed my light soon im running viper spectra 600s
The Dons' Organic Garden
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giglewigle
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cool im looking for somthing for winter all tho i would love 2 build a led terpene expresion sure sounds nice lol bout ready to crack some deep dream maybe buy the end of the week
giglewigle
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i dont know any thing about leds and sutch tho lol
FunkeyMunkey
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Sign me up for a light...or 4. Haha def going the LED route ASAP. Let us know a website or something to check out whenever you get a chance. I love the way buds look under diy led, for some reason they just look thicker and frostier to me. Anyways keep rocking as always my dude 
giglewigle
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so now iv maneged 2 scrape some money together iv got some more grow and some call fluid it came 2 day so im hoping my plants arnt going 2 herm if tnay did id consider it a win on tje fact there still alive i still have like half a plant that i dident harvest but iv had the light on and neglected em for three days so will be interesting 2 see if i still get a proper harvest in there defenetly thirsty tho just finnished up mixing gunna go waterfeed em and puth the lights back to 12 12 thayed be going to sleep in an hour or 2 the outside light times are probly flowering times any way so im not but iv made it this far may as well keep going exited tho might pop some pink gravey and some deep dreams
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giglewigle
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hay don whats the deep dreams like in terms of high n stuff i cant wait to pop them i bet im gunna need my carbon filter even as seedlings lol i just about did with tje widows
SSGrower
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IMO HLG
FunkeyMunkey
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The HLG def looks bad ass but couldn’t you make it for way less that 1000 bucks?
SSGrower
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Yes but in reality if you don't have the tools and miscellaneous supplies already on hand, the actual cost to build skyrockets pretty quick. Couple that suspicious vendors on Alibaba or eBay offering potentially counterfeit product diy gets a little less attractive. That said all my lights are diy.
ShLUbY
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totally agree here. I've been educating myself on them lately, but just from watching all the vids and what not, i don't have the tools to start DIY'ing my own, so i'm just gonna buy the first few and bite the bullet.
my buddy runs those spydrx plus lights... those things are fuckin beasts lol. but the HLG is not far behind them so for the money, i'm just gonna go for the HLG, buy it right from them, and enjoy a lower heat summer lol. It'll be nice to stop wasting 18% of the energy to IR... like real nice
SSGrower
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With white LED not mixing the color temps is a mistake, even though there is a spectral distribution it is still very discrete, chip manufacturers have focused development for humans (visible spectra), not so much hotrticulture. Light manufacturers have to work with what is available and currently to my knowledge there arent any qb or strip leds below 2700K suitable for horti. I like what Timber is doing with 1750K cobs. Then there is blue and uv on the other end, why I use agromax 10k finisher, but I have another light with uv and red monocobs to suppliment the white. This is why for now with my DIY lights I will stick with cobs, but if I were just getting into DIY qb and strips is where its at, the chip manufacturers just need to catch up with the demands of horti light manufacturers.totally agree here. I've been educating myself on them lately, but just from watching all the vids and what not, i don't have the tools to start DIY'ing my own, so i'm just gonna buy the first few and bite the bullet.
my buddy runs those spydrx plus lights... those things are fuckin beasts lol. but the HLG is not far behind them so for the money, i'm just gonna go for the HLG, buy it right from them, and enjoy a lower heat summer lol. It'll be nice to stop wasting 18% of the energy to IR... like real nice
The COBs have another 7-10 years before I need to consider replacing them for lost performance, the advantages of qb and strip dont yet justify replacing the investment I have already made. This is I think a major conundrum because there are led users who insist on staing on the razors edge of technology, and it is not cost effective to do that, however this demand is what drives the innovation, so if I support led tech it is in my best intrest to support whatnI see as frivolous spending. Welcome to capitalism.
ShLUbY
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i think that's the main reason why i stayed way from LEDs to begin with. With just about any technology... there is always improvements within a year or two... so the 1st gen shit that was out and all the knock off crap was around, i stayed out and just relied on the HPS and MH. It seems, as you hinted at, we're in the beginning stages of much higher efficacy and efficiency in these LEDs, making them a worth while investment. i mean, the cost of bulbs for HPS pays off the LED itself over the life of the light. not to mention, if you're going from 600w HPS to 500w of quality LED, the payoff will be seen immediately with increased PAR. seems like a no brainer to me
i have yet to indulge in all the spectrums and really understand what the plant needs and when to supply a different spectrum.
another thing i'm gonna be interested to try us the ceramic MH or ceramic HPS that is hitting the markets now. the CRI is waaaaaaaay better than standard SE bulbs (like 300% difference). pretty sure the CRI on my SE HPS eyehort is like 26% or something, and the ceramics are like 81-85%... what a major difference. interested to see how that performance will compare to LED.
SSGrower
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I last used a gas arc bulb when a buddy and I set up a 400w mh flood and drain in his his parents basement back in the early '00s the bulb was probably ran twice in 98-99. Ended up giving the light to his exstepnephue. (Sisters ex-husbands kid)
Since its no longer illegal for me to grow weed the single biggest reason I did not go for a HPS or 315cmh is the questionable legality of operating them indoors in a residence. It comes through manyy local building and zoning codes and a whole slew of shit I have little intrist in educating myself in. Though my diy led probably cost 2x a 315 cmh at the time, 2 years 3 runs a year paid for itself, and it's probably between that and a 600w for light output.
CRI is a tough spec for me to bite into. It is wholy related to how white is white this is a human thing not a plant thing. I would say if you are comparing 4000K to 4000K the higher CRI should win out but shifting either side of natural daylight the spectral combination to make white white may or may not jive with the spectral combination good for plants. I am willing to let those on the cutting edge continue to figure out if higher CRI gas lamps are anythi g more than the industry's last dich effort to combat emerging LED tech. On led the "phosphor" penalty comes into play where light output is reduced to get high CRI.
Since its no longer illegal for me to grow weed the single biggest reason I did not go for a HPS or 315cmh is the questionable legality of operating them indoors in a residence. It comes through manyy local building and zoning codes and a whole slew of shit I have little intrist in educating myself in. Though my diy led probably cost 2x a 315 cmh at the time, 2 years 3 runs a year paid for itself, and it's probably between that and a 600w for light output.
CRI is a tough spec for me to bite into. It is wholy related to how white is white this is a human thing not a plant thing. I would say if you are comparing 4000K to 4000K the higher CRI should win out but shifting either side of natural daylight the spectral combination to make white white may or may not jive with the spectral combination good for plants. I am willing to let those on the cutting edge continue to figure out if higher CRI gas lamps are anythi g more than the industry's last dich effort to combat emerging LED tech. On led the "phosphor" penalty comes into play where light output is reduced to get high CRI.
DonTesla
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Hey again everyone!
I am starting to really prefer sun over anything, nowadays, but most companies are doing alright at mimicking the big star, I'd say. But learning light language is drier than learning plant language that's for sure so credit to everyone trying..
It's true about the half life of electronic shit, overall.. it can be awfully short at times, especially after major break throughs, and pc's and phones, but with the longevity of the parts now in the LED world (esp. drivers etc) and ability to go totally solder-less now, from the get go, its getting easier and easier to penetrate the DIY market I think. DPs very first design needed not much more than a drill.. Those wago connectors and chips on board take a lot of the messy work out..
Especially with traditional bulb power dropping what, an average of 10% per crop, yeah, good cob LEDs pay for themselves quite quickly, especially when you couple in the savings on a/c, cooling and venting, as well as quality hike. That's a big part of it for me. Nevermind the ac and cost savings, & bulb shopping being cut out, the power bill goes way down and terps and quality go up. Meaning options go up.
Plus my light builders say that these units can actually get a percentage or two more efficient over time, depending on how softly their driven.. Not sure if anyone has solid proof on that, or the 10% loss on hps per crop, other than personal experience of everyone, including ppl i know, but for me .. I'm all about expression and terps and unlocking hidden and dormant/secret traits .. So I'm looking for every edge possible.. While KIS, And indoors, that led to LED, no pun intended !
Cheers guys!
I am starting to really prefer sun over anything, nowadays, but most companies are doing alright at mimicking the big star, I'd say. But learning light language is drier than learning plant language that's for sure so credit to everyone trying..
It's true about the half life of electronic shit, overall.. it can be awfully short at times, especially after major break throughs, and pc's and phones, but with the longevity of the parts now in the LED world (esp. drivers etc) and ability to go totally solder-less now, from the get go, its getting easier and easier to penetrate the DIY market I think. DPs very first design needed not much more than a drill.. Those wago connectors and chips on board take a lot of the messy work out..
Especially with traditional bulb power dropping what, an average of 10% per crop, yeah, good cob LEDs pay for themselves quite quickly, especially when you couple in the savings on a/c, cooling and venting, as well as quality hike. That's a big part of it for me. Nevermind the ac and cost savings, & bulb shopping being cut out, the power bill goes way down and terps and quality go up. Meaning options go up.
Plus my light builders say that these units can actually get a percentage or two more efficient over time, depending on how softly their driven.. Not sure if anyone has solid proof on that, or the 10% loss on hps per crop, other than personal experience of everyone, including ppl i know, but for me .. I'm all about expression and terps and unlocking hidden and dormant/secret traits .. So I'm looking for every edge possible.. While KIS, And indoors, that led to LED, no pun intended !
Cheers guys!
giglewigle
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ill defenetly be looking into diy then if tjeres soldierless options i dont have any tools otjer than some random screwdrivers so it might be a bit expensive at 1st having to get some tools but yes im also into the terpine expression side of things of things
DonTesla
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Yeah bro, all 3 of our designs so far are 100% solder less, I can send you some pics and specs on them if you like.. If I can find em amongst the 5 or 10 thousand pics on this thing lol.. Also hilighted on our thread if you're reading a few pg a day
We have tools and part lists too..
Sadly, my bro is too busy to build now, unfortunately, but that's we he gave me his latest connect, who I still need to solidify as my own but I'm working on it. But once I do I can share more there too .. Gladly!
giglewigle
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cool cheers soon i wanna repalace the spectra i have readdy to pull this grow down atm bout week 5 or so need 2 raise my lights higer but have no money atm so i just have 2 do what i can but ye buds are esther way outta the light or 2 close alot ov leaves are getting burned i dont no how thay havent hermid yet tje light cylce has been interupted ipa few times i rekon it just needs some time 2 bounce back but fuck it ill srill have some bud 2 smoke rather that then the mouldy shit i can only eem 2 get a hold off lot of improvments need 2 be made b4 i start the next round but all in all im glad i have a plant all this shit this plant has dealt with tho im starting 2 think these things really are resilient 
think its like maybe week 2 or 3 of it being don throwing hairs and actueply growing bud its not mutch biput shes mine
think its like maybe week 2 or 3 of it being don throwing hairs and actueply growing bud its not mutch biput shes mine