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ANC

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The future is going to have to be some version of that. Most jobs will soon be done BETTER, CHEAPER and FASTER by robots and machines than by humans.
A few humans will still be employed to act as a mutual enhancement to the robotics. But the rest of us need to be fed, watered and entertained when our labor is no longer required.
The extent to which this will be a positive or negative experience is going to depend on our preemptively making our needs clear.
 

Fubard

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The future is going to have to be some version of that. Most jobs will soon be done BETTER, CHEAPER and FASTER by robots and machines than by humans.
A few humans will still be employed to act as a mutual enhancement to the robotics. But the rest of us need to be fed, watered and entertained when our labor is no longer required.
The extent to which this will be a positive or negative experience is going to depend on our preemptively making our needs clear.
Hasn't Elon Musk said the opposite, something like how he screwed up production of his Tesla cars by using too much automation and that production is stagnating because the robots can't adapt to making the different models as fast as yoomins can?

Then we have the issue that a robot is only as good as the instructions a human programmes in, and it has always been so, and we can't ignore the small matter of how the more "robots" you use, the more humans you need to install, repair and maintain them.

It was one argument I used when I decided to be a sparkytrician, this was when they were saying all factories would be full of robots doing everything and I said "Well, I won't be out of a job because some bugger has to put the cables in for the robots" and 3 decades later these same "robots doing everything" still hasn't come true as there isn't a robot out there that has the ability to think and adapt as well as an experienced human. Some things can be done better with more precision, true, but you still need a human making sure these things are doing their job properly as well as to fix things when one stupid little microswitch breaks and slams the whole production line in standstill.

That's just on the manufacturing side of things, we won't start on all the other jobs that, in reality, only humans can do. We won't be replaced in our lifetimes, and it's unlikely to happen in the lifetimes of what would be 3 generations from now either, no matter what they say on things like Star Trek
 

ANC

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robots can't adapt to making the different models as fast as yoomins can?
The limitations of hoomans are mostly permanent. A problem with a robot once identified, can be programmed away. Like it or not it is a fact that nearly ALL jobs are in jeopardy because computers will soon be smarter than you in most ways.

There was a recent exhibition, that created a 3d structure. It had a central AI, dishing out tasks to hoomans and machines, and checking on those. The humans performed tasks that were too difficult for the machines and vice versa. Neither just humans or just machines could have constructed the installation.
 

Fubard

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The limitations of hoomans are mostly permanent. A problem with a robot once identified, can be programmed away. Like it or not it is a fact that nearly ALL jobs are in jeopardy because computers will soon be smarter than you in most ways.

There was a recent exhibition, that created a 3d structure. It had a central AI, dishing out tasks to hoomans and machines, and checking on those. The humans performed tasks that were too difficult for the machines and vice versa. Neither just humans or just machines could have constructed the installation.
Musk was the one who said it himself, he screwed up by setting up his factory with too much automation and it's the inability to adapt to the different models so quickly that, in his view, is one big reason Tesla is struggling so much to get production anywhere near to demand.

It's a known issue, and, as I say, has been present since they first started going so mad with "robots" and, at this moment in time, that same problem is there. It's fine if you've got one production line that produces only one thing permanently but the second you start introducing variations to that then you have problems as you have to keep changing the necessary programming, etc. And that's the point where humans have the advantage and likely always will do, because some of the so-called advances in these modern times are not really different to what was claimed decades ago.

There's a hell of a long way to go before even ham-fisted idiots like me can be replaced by a machine.
 

ANC

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Some places have robot security guards already. Costs like $14 a day.


Watch this little vid.. it is only 2 and a half minutes.


http://bgr.com/2017/10/13/robot-surgery-star-research-study/

Human surgeons are some of the most skilled, precise individuals on the planet, but no amount of training and experience can make them better at slicing human flesh than robots already are. A new study aimed at comparing the steady hand of a human surgeon against the cold precision of the Smart Tissue Autonomous Robot (STAR) revealed just how much better a bot really is, and what that means for patients going under its knife.

The research pitted the surgical bot, which is still in active development, against a human surgeons operating on a human analog — in this particular case, it was pig tissue including muscle, fat, and of course skin. The cuts made by both the human doctors and the STAR were judged based on how precise their cuts were as well as how much damage was done to the flesh surrounding the incision. The result? Well, you can probably guess…

The STAR system not only produced more precise cuts in terms of length, but they were also closer to the “perfect” line and the incision caused less damage to the flesh. In short, the robot completely blew away the human surgeons at their own job.

For anyone who has even casually followed the developments of medical robots, that’s probably not all that surprising. That is, until you hear that STAR could one day be completely autonomous. Yep, that’s right: this ultra-precise robot surgeon may soon be performing procedures all on its own.

“I really believe that this is the future of surgery,” study coauthor Axel Krieger, assistant professor of mechanical engineering at the University of Maryland, told IEEE Spectrum. “I believe this will come about first for small sub-functions of surgery and get more and more complex. Similarly to autonomous cars, where small features such as brake-assist slowly morphed into more and more autonomy. I absolutely would trust a robot like that for my surgery, once it is fully developed and validated.”
 
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Lucky Luke

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Global take away food outlets like McDonalds and Subway have touch screen to order from. Sure they have a human to but less of them and as we get more and more used to ordering on a screen less and less humans.

Banks have less branches than they used to due to the Automatic teller and less staff per branch as well than what they did.

Self check in on screens at airports mean less staff.

Self Check outs at super markets are now the preferred option for shoppers. Less staff.

Been to a concert recently? You don't need a ticket or a person to check your ticket, just your phone and a scanner.

Life will only get exponentially more automated.
 
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Fubard

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Global take away food outlets like McDonalds and Subway have touch screen to order from. Sure they have a human to but less of them and as we get more and more used to ordering on a screen less and less humans.

Banks have less branches than they used to due to the Automatic teller and less staff per branch as well than what they did.

Self check in on screens at airports mean less staff.

Self Check outs at super markets are now the preferred option for shoppers. Less staff.

Been to a concert recently? You don't need a ticket or a person to check your ticket, just your phone and a scanner.

Life will only get exponentially more automated.
Self checkouts at supermarkets here still have a human presence for the inevitable times things go wrong, age check for alcohol and tobacco and, of course, to deter theft.

Concerts/cinemas? Still have the human there to make sure the ticket gets scanned properly and validated. Buying may be fully automated if you wish, but the human is still there. Same goes for McVomits, the majority of the work is done by humans.

You don't have packs of robots stacking shelves in the supermarkets, that's still manpower, same goes with buying stuff from Amazon or whoever.

Banks still need humans to fill the ATM's and to do other things such as sort out loans, etc.

Oh, and they'll never make a robot as adept at nicking things from your suitcase at the airport as the typical baggage handler is, same goes for the mail.

What I'm getting at is that there are limitations to automation which, despite all that has been said over the last 3 decades (and longer), have still not been breached and the reality is that it will take a hell of a lot longer than people think to breach these limitations and for such things to be accepted.

And as for ANC's robot "security guard", well, I want a kilo of what whoever dreamt that up was smoking because that has to be the ultimate in gimmicks but as much use, in reality, as a fart in a spacesuit.

Oh, and how good is that robot surgeon at spotting something that a trained and experienced surgeon could see? Could it spot a potential cancerous tumour, as an example, whilst cutting out a cyst or would it just do what it was told and cut out the cyst and leave the suspicious growth behind? So many variables there, and a great potential for things to go wrong.

All I'm saying is that there are limitations and that they will not be breached in our lifetimes, nor the lifetimes of the next two generations. Otherwise we wouldn't have airline pilots now as airliners have had the capability of taking off, flying from A to B and then landing without a human needing to touch the controls for a couple of decades now, but when that type of automation has a brainfart we all know what the consequences will be and that's why it's still better to have someone who knows what he's doing at the controls, and the same has been shown with self-driving cars as Uber found out the hard way.
 
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