The "D" day pool, best guess as to when Trump is out

Fogdog

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The russian business is deadly serious and Bernie thinks so too from his many public statements. Ya can't fault Bernie for standing his ground against the corporate democrats like the Clintons who made the democratic party just another version of the republicans, betrayed the working people for corporate cash and took the only choice the people had away from them.

Even after they cheated him, he stood with them against Trump for the good of the country like the patriot he is. The week after the election when everybody was in shock, Bernie soldiered on and ya saw him a lot on TV. Cut Bernie some slack, he's one of the good guys who cares about the country. If Bernie went up against Trump he would have beat him like a fucking drum in 2016.
Rigged
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Distraction
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If Bernie hadn't lost he would have won




Yeah. Well, some people don't need facts, I suppose.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Rigged
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Distraction
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If Bernie hadn't lost he would have won




Yeah. Well, some people don't need facts, I suppose.
The DNC screwed Bernie that's a fact and DNC people resigned over it. Bernie came on side and encouraged his supporters to do so for the good of the country. In the end Clinton got more delegates, she was a democrat and Bernie was an outsider who represented change.

If Bernie ran against Trump in the election he would have won hands down and I believe there's polling to back it up. Clinton was a horrible candidate, she might have made a fine president, but as a candidate it was an uphill slog.

Attacks on Bernie and progressives are a distraction, Trump and the GOP are the enemies of America. Bernie has honor, guys like Corey Booker are corporate democrats who lack character and courage, not much better than the GOP. Bernie is the leading voice for getting money out of politics and offers real solutions that work just fine in other countries like Canada. America needs to go extremely left just to get to the center and out of the right wing ditch created by the billionaire owned media.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Here's what should be of concern, Canada is considered a security risk and has sanctions on it's aluminum along with other allies. Canada has a free trade agreement with the USA and the WTO will settle the matter in the end.
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Sanctions on Russia's Rusal could be lifted, Mnuchin says
https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/27/politics/mnuchin-russia-sanctions-rusal/index.html

(CNN)The Trump administration is looking into lifting sanctions against a major Russian aluminum company founded by one of Vladimir Putin's closest allies.

The Treasury Department is considering relieving Rusal of penalties even though its former owner, oligarch Oleg Deripaska, was sanctioned this year by the US in an attempt to punish the Kremlin for interfering in the 2016 US presidential election.
The possible relief for Rusal comes as President Donald Trump continues to deal with the fallout from his Helsinki summit with the Russian president. Democrats and Republicans urged Trump to ramp up sanctions -- not dial them back -- and strike at even more sectors of the Russian economy.
The US imposed sanctions on Rusal in April because of its ties to Deripaska. But the Treasury Department said a few weeks later that it was considering removing sanctions against the massive aluminum company after a surge in aluminum prices.
In an interview with CNN, Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin said the US government knew the impact sanctions would have on Rusal. The company's founder, Deripaska, has since stepped down from his role as a non-executive director on its board.
"It wasn't a surprise that Rusal was going to get picked up if we sanctioned Deripaska," Mnuchin said on the sidelines of the G-20 meeting of finance ministers in Buenos Aires on Saturday. "We evaluated the impact. We made a decision."
Representatives from Rusal could not be reached for comment.
Related: US signals it would consider some exemptions on Iranian oil
By targeting Deripaska and six other prominent Russian oligarchs the Treasury specifically hit members of Putin's inner circle.
The Treasury said Deripaska had been accused of bribery, extortion, racketeering, ordering the murder of a rival businessman and having links to organized crime. Deripaska has denied "the alleged basis" of US sanctions, according to statements he provided to London's High Court, the Telegraph reported in May.
At the time, Mnuchin said the sanctions were intended to punish Russia for aggressive behavior around the world, which also included Russia's annexation of Crimea and its military campaign in Syria. But the move wound up roiling global aluminum markets.
Mnuchin said the priority of the Trump administration was to enforce sanctions against Russia, including Rusal, as required under a law passed by Congress last summer to punish Russia for interfering in the US election.
"We were going to enforce the Russia sanctions," said Mnuchin not put Rusal out of business. "The objective was to impact the oligarchs, not to impact the hardworking people of Rusal as a result of the sanctions."
Related: Defense bill offers harsh words for Russia and China
The law passed by Congress last year gives Treasury new powers to go after Russian oligarchs. Trump reluctantly signed the bill, which was passed with a veto-proof majority, despite criticizing the legislation and previously questioning the effectiveness of US sanctions against Russia.
While seeking sanctions relief, Rusal has taken steps to water down Deripaska's involvement in the company. Deripaska has previously agreed to reduce his stake to below 50% and resign from the firm's board in order to give Rusal a shot at getting off the sanctions list. Seven other members of the board, nominated by a Deripaska-owned company, also resigned in May.
Deripaska also has financial ties to Paul Manafort, who was Trump's campaign chairman in 2016 and is now awaiting trial on a slew of financial crimes related to his work for the Russia-friendly government of Ukraine. Manafort was charged by special counsel Robert Mueller, who is tasked with investigating Russia's interference in the 2016 election and related matters.
None of the recent sanctions against Deripaska are related to his ties to Manafort.
 

Fogdog

Well-Known Member
The DNC screwed Bernie that's a fact and DNC people resigned over it. Bernie came on side and encouraged his supporters to do so for the good of the country. In the end Clinton got more delegates, she was a democrat and Bernie was an outsider who represented change.

If Bernie ran against Trump in the election he would have won hands down and I believe there's polling to back it up. Clinton was a horrible candidate, she might have made a fine president, but as a candidate it was an uphill slog.

Attacks on Bernie and progressives are a distraction, Trump and the GOP are the enemies of America. Bernie has honor, guys like Corey Booker are corporate democrats who lack character and courage, not much better than the GOP. Bernie is the leading voice for getting money out of politics and offers real solutions that work just fine in other countries like Canada. America needs to go extremely left just to get to the center and out of the right wing ditch created by the billionaire owned media.
I got your message the first time.
 

Fogdog

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An example showing how I feel where the real differences lie between Progressives(TM), progressives, and Republicans. Herein is a discussion regarding socialist policies and the new image "social democrat"


Its hard to watch all the way through. I'll just say that there wasn't disagreement between the two Democrats on policies.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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An example showing how I feel where the real differences lie between Progressives(TM), progressives, and Republicans. Herein is a discussion regarding socialist policies and the new image "social democrat"


Its hard to watch all the way through. I'll just say that there wasn't disagreement between the two Democrats on policies.
Pure capitalism doesn't exist and neither does pure communism, instead in all successful democracies we have socialism, even in the USA. We have a mix of the systems in practical use to varying degrees, some more socialist countries appear to do quite well economically.

In 30 to 50 years we'll all be communists when 80 to 90% of the population become unemployable and redundant, your seeing the beginnings of this trend now. Technology makes us all richer, it's increasingly gonna be a question of distribution, the 1% owning 90% of the wealth and not paying taxes on it is unsustainable. Single payer health care systems, free college education and guaranteed annual incomes are the way of the future, there's no choice in the matter if people are be valued human beings instead of seen as useless mouths.

Trump is serving the purpose of destroying and dividing the right in the USA, global economic changes must flow from the USA and the destruction of the right is helpful if the world is to move forward. In Canada the right was divided for a decade and the country was better for it, in California the republicans disappeared and the place went from ungovernable to an economic success overnight. Hopefully Trump does the same for the right in America, helps it disappear. The democrats need a progressive socialist wing to balance and watch the corporate types and the big money they thirst after that will now follow the democrats into power.

A large majority of Americans want money out of politics and it should be top priority. The russians were buying into the American political system because it's for sale to the highest bidder.
 
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DIY-HP-LED

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I figure this is a good metaphor for the current situation, think of Bugs as Trump and the Hillbillies as republicans dancing to his tune after he pulled the plug on the republican party establishment and started calling the "tune" out to the base. Come on, the current reality is not as funny, but is more absurd than this cartoon!
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Bugs Bunny's square dance in 'Hillbilly Hare'
 

DIY-HP-LED

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There are 100 days to the midterm election. Here's what to watch
https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/29/politics/100-days-until-midterms-outlook/index.html

Washington (CNN)Voters are now 100 days away from delivering their verdict on President Donald Trump's first two years in office, and while the political landscape could shift dramatically in three months, right now, the wind is at Democrats' backs.

Democrats need a net gain of 23 seats to wrest control of the House away from Republicans. And they need a net gain of two seats to take a Senate majority, although the path to get to that number is difficult.
Trump got some welcome news on Friday, with the announcement that the economy grew at a 4.1% in the second quarter, the best number since 2014. Trump will surely make that growth part of his midterms pitch to voters.
But despite a strong economy, the GOP's woes are evident in Trump's sagging approval rating and Democrats' edge in the generic congressional ballot. They're even more stark with Democratic candidates outraising Republicans in the vast majority of competitive races.
But the biggest problem for the GOP -- which has played out consistently in special elections over the last year -- is that Democratic voters are much more enthusiastic, and therefore more likely to vote in November.
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schuylaar

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If Trump falls after the midterms Nancy Pelosi might be president since Pence is into this russian shit up to his neck. Not wishful thinking, but a very real possibility, impeachment before the end of the year might even be on the table if the GOP gets fucked over enough.

Too bad about Vlad's visit being delayed that would have given the democrats the senate for sure!
he wanted to bring putin to prove that putin threw the race for the 2018 midterms blue wave..'he was here..he could've done it'. bloody red meat for the 30% unfortunately putin has already professed his love for trump that day..kind of hard to walk back 'yes, i did..yes, i did'.

this was all put together during the helsinki meeting.

he's not coming because that strategy is no longer viable BECAUSE of what putin admitted.

i can't believe trump was still so stupid as to suggest a visit..personally, if i were putin..i'd stay far away from entering the US.
 

schuylaar

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You seem to be overly concerned about Bernie, he has a lot of corporate democratic enemies and anybody who is in someone's pocket is no friend of Bernie's. During the 2016 election Trumps air time on the corporate networks was measured in weeks and Bernie's was measured literally in seconds. With the recent gutting of the ACA a lot of people are gonna be worried to death about health care and it's a good issue for a large segment of the electorate. Freaking out about Trump won't get to all the potential voters, good health care policy will help to get rid of the GOP and Trump too. The problem with the GOP was they bitched about the ACA but never had an alternative except crawl away and die if yer poor.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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I figure Mikey has more things to worry about than being disbarred, hard to practice law from prison. Sounds like obstruction of justice and threatening a witness to me...
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Rudy Giuliani: Michael Cohen Has Been Warned To Keep His Mouth Shut
Cohen is in "grave danger of being disbarred" for violating attorney-client privilege, Trump's lawyer said.
By Mary Papenfuss, HuffPost US
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/giuliani-says-cohen-has-been-warned-to-keep-quiet_us_5b5cff5ae4b0b15aba997304

President Donald Trump’s legal team has warned his former fixer, Michael Cohen, to stop speaking out and violating lawyer-client confidentiality, the president’s attorney Rudy Giuliani told ABC News Saturday.

The warning comes just six days after Trump’s team waived lawyer-client privilege concerning a recorded conversation between Cohen and his former boss apparently about a payment to former Playboy model who has said she and Trump had a long-running affair.

“We have complained” to Cohen’s lawyers that “he’s violated the attorney-client privilege, publicly and privately,” Giuliani told the network. Giuliani said Cohen is in “grave danger of being disbarred.”

But Cohen’s attorney, Lanny Davis, told Huffpost in a statement that Giuliani “seems to be confused.”

Giuliani “expressly waived attorney-client privilege last week and repeatedly and inaccurately — as proven by the tape — talked and talked about the recording, forfeiting all confidentiality,” Davis said.
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