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Has tRUMP ever listened to a briefing?
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Budley Doright
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Sorry, to lazy to google but Benghazi was where she was too tired/sleeping to take the call right? Was she not warned prior to the attack, of the dangers by the diplomat in country? What ever happened it was a tragedy that shouldn’t have happened on anyones watch.
Edit: I’m just asking btw lol keep it in your pants fellas.
yes, the whole point. diplomats knew the danger and chose to go anyway. then when they called for help no one came.
Budley Doright
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So the diplomats were partly to blame?
Fogdog
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I only know what I read. I'm careful to read several sources including the hair on fire right and left stuff. Here is this what I find most believable:
House Benghazi report faults military response, not Clinton, for deaths
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jun/28/house-benghazi-report-clinton-attack-military
Panel chair Trey Gowdy concludes $7m investigation with 800-page report that accuses US of being slow to respond after 2012 attack was already under way
House Republicans investigating the 2012 terrorist attacks in Benghazi, Libya, have found no new evidence to conclude that Hillary Clinton, secretary of state at the time, was culpable in the deaths of four Americans, according to the committee’s final report released on Tuesday.
The 800-page document released by the Republicans on the House select committee on Benghazi brought to a close a fiercely partisan, two-year, $7m investigation that included interviews with more than 80 witnesses. The report reveals new details about the night of the attack and concludes that the Obama administration failed to recognize the possibility of it happening.
There was an effective smear campaign mounted that worked to make people question what happened. This is the best account I know of. "Obama's administration failed to recognize the possibility of this happening". There are reams of speculative crap but I think I'll go to what was found by the Republican-run House investigation. After all we paid $7 million for it. Clinton testified for hours too. That was their best chance to catch her at perjury and -- nothing.
For some people failing to find a conspiracy is cause to think there was one. Not me.
Roger A. Shrubber
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i just picked the name of a scandal she was supposedly involved with. there are enough questions for me about her integrity, her honesty, and her sense of ethics that i didn't want to vote for her, either.
i don't feel like going back and documenting all of it. i'm just stating my opinion. i don't like her, almost as much as i don't like trump. i had no more desire to vote for her than i had to vote for trump, and still don't, honestly.
if the republicans want to take the whitehouse away from trump, they're going to have to come up with someone good to run, someone who doesn't have skeletons in the closet, someone who tells the truth, someone who can talk to women and minorities without making it a confrontation. so, not hillary, and not bernie...
i don't feel like going back and documenting all of it. i'm just stating my opinion. i don't like her, almost as much as i don't like trump. i had no more desire to vote for her than i had to vote for trump, and still don't, honestly.
if the republicans want to take the whitehouse away from trump, they're going to have to come up with someone good to run, someone who doesn't have skeletons in the closet, someone who tells the truth, someone who can talk to women and minorities without making it a confrontation. so, not hillary, and not bernie...
Roger A. Shrubber
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now back to the actual point of this thread....
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2018/aug/02/donald-trump/us-steel-not-opening-six-new-mills-donald-trump/
U.S. Steel has 4 mills....they're going to expand by 150% during a trade war? why doesn't u.s. steel ask trump not to use their name in his fake speeches?
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2018/aug/02/donald-trump/us-steel-not-opening-six-new-mills-donald-trump/
U.S. Steel has 4 mills....they're going to expand by 150% during a trade war? why doesn't u.s. steel ask trump not to use their name in his fake speeches?
Fogdog
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After 20 years of Republicans claiming scandal after scandal, none of which they could ever actually prove, they managed to take her down in a very close election. Benghazi was only one of several multi-million dollar investigations launched by Republicans. The result? Nothing specific, just "question her integrity" and "I don't like her". That kind of propaganda works though. You and the election results are proof of that.
Roger A. Shrubber
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i'm not really exposed to a lot of propaganda, i don't have a television, i don't read any particular sites news regularly, i try to hop around as much as possible. i don't participate in facebook, twitter, skype.....
i guess she just rubs me the wrong way. i don't like her. as a person. she's smarmy, superior, and condescending. maybe her ethics are good, and maybe they aren't. i guess i just wouldn't ever vote for her because i simply do not like her. i don't really need another reason, to be honest. they both sucked, for different reasons, and i was not going to be happy with either one.
i guess she just rubs me the wrong way. i don't like her. as a person. she's smarmy, superior, and condescending. maybe her ethics are good, and maybe they aren't. i guess i just wouldn't ever vote for her because i simply do not like her. i don't really need another reason, to be honest. they both sucked, for different reasons, and i was not going to be happy with either one.
Herb & Suds
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I never understood the "she is a liar" rant
I think this may best reflect why
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So now we know: One of the principal reasons Republicans spent so much public money investigating the tragic Benghazi episode was to bring down Hillary Clinton’s poll numbers.
Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.), the likely successor to House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio), told Fox News’s Sean Hannity explicitly on Tuesday night that the Clinton investigation was part of a “strategy to fight and win.”
He explained: “Everybody thought Hillary Clinton was unbeatable, right? But we put together a Benghazi special committee, a select committee. What are her numbers today? Her numbers are dropping. Why? Because she’s untrustable. But no one would have known any of that had happened, had we not fought.”
The Republican-led House hasn’t been particularly good at governing, but perhaps governing has never been the point. Why govern when there’s a future election to influence?"
This was done with our tax dollars and has a great deal to do with why I as a lifetime Republican walked away
I think this may best reflect why
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So now we know: One of the principal reasons Republicans spent so much public money investigating the tragic Benghazi episode was to bring down Hillary Clinton’s poll numbers.
Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.), the likely successor to House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio), told Fox News’s Sean Hannity explicitly on Tuesday night that the Clinton investigation was part of a “strategy to fight and win.”
He explained: “Everybody thought Hillary Clinton was unbeatable, right? But we put together a Benghazi special committee, a select committee. What are her numbers today? Her numbers are dropping. Why? Because she’s untrustable. But no one would have known any of that had happened, had we not fought.”
The Republican-led House hasn’t been particularly good at governing, but perhaps governing has never been the point. Why govern when there’s a future election to influence?"
This was done with our tax dollars and has a great deal to do with why I as a lifetime Republican walked away
Roger A. Shrubber
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it just keeps going back to the same thing. campaign reform. election reform. it's become a year long beauty pageant where it's alright to sling as much mud as possible at the other contestants.
ads about your opponent shouldn't be allowed. ads should have to be about what you plan to do. no political facebook pages, no skype, none of that shit, those places are for idiots to tell other idiots what they're wasting time with. if there are no political pages allowed, then the fucking russians have one less place to play.
there should be a ten million dollar limit to campaign donations. not each, total....if you can't get your message out with ten million dollars, then your message is too long.
ALL voting machines should be the same, use the same software, and be checked before use by reputable, qualified people.
this is all obvious. there hasn't been an election since the hanging chads that i've had any faith in. there hasn't been a campaign run that i haven't been ashamed of.
and now the electoral college steps in and throws the obvious winner out and let's trump in........so why do we even bother to vote?
it's all a show to make us think our votes matter, when they patently do not.
ads about your opponent shouldn't be allowed. ads should have to be about what you plan to do. no political facebook pages, no skype, none of that shit, those places are for idiots to tell other idiots what they're wasting time with. if there are no political pages allowed, then the fucking russians have one less place to play.
there should be a ten million dollar limit to campaign donations. not each, total....if you can't get your message out with ten million dollars, then your message is too long.
ALL voting machines should be the same, use the same software, and be checked before use by reputable, qualified people.
this is all obvious. there hasn't been an election since the hanging chads that i've had any faith in. there hasn't been a campaign run that i haven't been ashamed of.
and now the electoral college steps in and throws the obvious winner out and let's trump in........so why do we even bother to vote?
it's all a show to make us think our votes matter, when they patently do not.
Fogdog
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Her voice was awful. She had poor choice in clothes. She didn't want to stay at home and bake cookies. Republicans hated her. These are great reasons why she shouldn't be president.
I'm using sarcasm to make a point. I don't mean to mock you. Overall I respect your opinion. I'm just saying that the propaganda campaign was effective. You haven't given a valid objective reason to dislike her, yet you do. I wouldn't invite her over for a cook out party either. That said, just because I found her to be coldly calculating, remote and ambitious didn't mean I thought she'd make a bad president.
Studies about how propaganda works on public sentiment show that it's effective at manipulating public opinion if repeated frequently over a long period of time. The only counter to propaganda is if it's given a good factual counter argument every time it's used. Republicans won this one.
Roger A. Shrubber
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i'm not arguing that point, propaganda works, or it wouldn't be used.
i didn't like hillary when bill was president. it seemed very much to me like she thought she was co-president, not the first lady.
maybe i'm a misogynist, i don't know. i don't have a problem with a female president. i'd vote for a woman if i thought she was the better candidate. i just don't like hillary, and haven't since well before she ever ran against trump. i don't share her sensibilities or values. i don't feel like she really cares about women or minorities, i think she acts like she does to get votes, then promptly forgets most of her promises, just like most politicians. i guess i just feel like people are carrying a scarecrow around on their shoulders as a saviour, and it's not even good at scaring crows
i didn't like hillary when bill was president. it seemed very much to me like she thought she was co-president, not the first lady.
maybe i'm a misogynist, i don't know. i don't have a problem with a female president. i'd vote for a woman if i thought she was the better candidate. i just don't like hillary, and haven't since well before she ever ran against trump. i don't share her sensibilities or values. i don't feel like she really cares about women or minorities, i think she acts like she does to get votes, then promptly forgets most of her promises, just like most politicians. i guess i just feel like people are carrying a scarecrow around on their shoulders as a saviour, and it's not even good at scaring crows
Fogdog
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OK, I get it. You had no good reason to dislike her, you just didn't. You weren't manipulated by propaganda, you just formed the same opinion the propaganda wanted you to form.
Clinton is so yesterday. No reason to get into a kerfluffle over a difference of opinion about a past election. We can, I hope, examine what happened to put the worst president ever in the oval office. I maintain with good reason and factual accounts from the people who were there that one of the reasons Clinton lost is enormous funds directed at falsely smearing her reputation. I may add that Russia is very good at propaganda and advised Republicans on how best to use it.
Just asking the next time you form an opinion about a candidate and you can't really put a finger on why you formed it that you take a harder look at why and find objective reasons for that opinion. Challenge it and try to find reasons why it might be incorrect. I find that sticking to facts -- verified from several reputable sources -- and using them as the basis for forming an opinion helps prevent all sorts of bad choices that advertisers and politicians want me to make.
Sir Napsalot
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Oh he's listened to peopleI think the most important question in regards to this threads heading is, "has Trump ever listened at all?"
Fogdog
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Agree, back to the actual point of the thread. And yet what we just talked about applies too.
Trump doesn't attend briefings. Why? Because facts don't matter to him and his agenda. Regardless of what politifact publishes, he's going to push this trade war and tout its "successes" all the way. Facts are inconvenient and unnecessary. Why should he spend time listening to people tell him them? Any factual reports that counter his assertions and there are many, are fake news.
Gee, I wonder if propaganda is being used in any of this?
A quote attributed to Abraham Lincoln gives me hope though. Something about fooling people.
tangerinegreen555
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Lincoln didn't have to deal with social media or Russia.
If he had, he would have been even more clinically depressed than he already was.
How much can a guy take?
I think I had read they were told not to go.
Budley Doright
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You can have Justin in 2 years lol.