Plant will not form pistils in flower

[Smokingbandit000]

Hello everyone.

I have one large plant in four weeks of flower with no pistils yet.

I tried this once before with the same cut and had lots of issues. I figured it all out and it finished in 14 weeks with large airy colas that were crap.

I have grown the strain before with good success using multiple smaller plants.

This time my temps are good, no light leaks, I doubled my light so I have two thousand Watt led lights on it, both are supposed to be equivalent to a 400 Watt hps. I also checked my time and it's a digital that's on point.

This was a clone vegged for several months and I transplanted it into a 20 gallon pot with fresh fox farm ocean forest soil, lollipopped it and pruned, then vegged for two weeks under the new lights before the flip. I did not use any new for weeks one, then week two and three I only used half strength. I am 3 days into week four with no pistils forming. The plant didn't stretch until week three and is still stretching.

I'm not sure what to do at this point. I gave a couple clones to my buddy and he had pistils in a few days.

 

[kindnug]

Wow 1000w of LED equivalent to 400w of HPS
Why didn't you just buy a 400w HPS?
I get pistils before flowering even starts with HPS/CMH mixture.
Flowers should be forming within the first 2-3 weeks, unless your growing str8 Sativa.

 

[Smokingbandit000]

It's a hybrid indica dom.

I don't use his becuase of heat issues and electrcitye. I don't think light is even the issue.

I'm trying to figure r out if it's too much N or something else.

Thanks for the reply and like I said I have grown this before with flowers in two weeks from switch.

And this plant had pistils on the oreflowers 3 months ago way before I put in the flower tent but those have died and none on the new growth.

 

[Fubard]

1000w led's? What make and model because the claims made on these blurple things are outrageous and it may well be that what is claimed to be "2kW" is actually barely a total of 200-300w

 

[Sithlord88]

If its the equilivent of a 400 then it probably draws the same power as a 400 would. So no electrical savings...

 

[Smokingbandit000]

You know what, it's been a day since I posted needing help and all I get is shit talking on my lights.

There king plus led lights, I don't give rats ass if there not to true thousand watts, the main reason for led was heat issues. There's tons of proven grows with these lights, and I myself had greats results with smaller plants using just one of these lights. See pic.

If your not here to provide input don't waste my time. I'm in socal and I have access to anything I need with hydro shops and dispensary's on every corner and Im well aware of hps, I've also seen people fall flat on there face using them in socal heat, so when you add how much air you need to use one of them including the lights itself, it's more electricity, the LEDs lights don't run near as hot and they cost me like 10 bucks a month to run.

 

[Sithlord88]

No one is talking shit?

 

[Smokingbandit000]

No one is talking shit?

Your right and I came out a little rough it was four in the morning lol and I do apologize.

Im stressed about this because I have alot of time and energy invensted into it and I cannot find a answer. I know my lights are not the best but they have already proven to provide a plant enough to flower. My last plant was bigger than this one and only one light flowered it, it wasn't enough light tho so I doubled it. I'm just stumped on why it won't even start flowering.

I've exuasted all internet searching for this, I flushed it last night as daily I am noticing an increase in clawing as well as dark shiny leaves on the newer leaves.

I'm wondering if it's possible that the fresh soil going into flower is putting out too much nitrogen. I have haulted the nitrogen for now.

I'm just not sure if I should cut it down or ride it out. Last plant I rode out on gave me crap at the end. I don't want to waste my time on this one to.

Keep in mind I don't have light leaks, I checked, double checked and triple checked for that and timer issues. My temps are good I have great growth.

I had this thought of why not grow one big plant in veg while another is flowering and just keep a one plant perpetual grow because I have a small veg space.

The stretch is still happening with no signs of pistils.

 

[Dirtbag4]

How is your Ph?
Is your plant receiving too much nitrogen?

These are things that could cause your plant to not show it's pistils til late and cause slow budding.

 

[Smokingbandit000]

How is your Ph?
Is your plant receiving too much nitrogen?

These are things that could cause your plant to not show it's pistils til late and cause slow budding.

My oh in the water is always between 6.5 and 6.3

I did a mild flush last night and tested my runoff it was reading 6.3

It must be the high nitrogen in the soil, that's the only thing I can't confirm that confirm is cussing cuasing this.

The plant was underfed and showing n defficiency before the transplant, it green up withing the first week of veg in the new soil, thwn I vegged it for one more week using only water, then the first week of flower I used only water, but I did get some burning on leaves, week two and three I gave half dose of nutes including nitrogen. Then week for I only gave bloom nutes on the first day of week four and the next time it dried out which was last night I did a mild flush.

 

[Tim1987]

Hi smokingbandit,

You might be on to something with the nitrogen.

Made me wonder too,
If you're in soil, how good is your drainage, and aeration?
How often are you watering?
Plenty of waste runoff too?

An increase in urea will happen with continuously wet soil.

Also how is your soils ph being measured?

Edit: Your waste isn't an accurate reading.

Wet soil will have an abundance of urea, and ammonium nitrate. This will lower the ph in your soil.

 

[Smokingbandit000]

Hi smokingbandit,

You might be on to something with the nitrogen.

Made me wonder too,
If you're in soil, how good is your drainage, and aeration?
How often are you watering?
Plenty of waste runoff too?

An increase in urea will happen with continuously wet soil.

Also how is your soils ph being measured?

Edit: Your waste isn't an accurate reading.

Wet soil will have an abundance of urea, and ammonium nitrate. This will lower the ph in your soil.

Hey tim,

I water every four days with only about 5% runoff each time. I go by the wieght of the container and I have a dry one filled same size to ensure I don't over water. I also drilled extra drainage holes so there is no chance of standing water.

 

[Tim1987]

Hey tim,

I water every four days with only about 5% runoff each time. I go by the wieght of the container and I have a dry one filled same size to ensure I don't over water. I also drilled extra drainage holes so there is no chance of standing water.

Hey man,

Is there a lot of organic material in your mix? Guano, manures etc?
Is it a rich mix?

 

[Smokingbandit000]

Hey man,

Is there a lot of organic material in your mix? Guano, manures etc?
Is it a rich mix?

Well it's fox farm ocean forest soil, I don't add anything to it but it runs hot from what people say, I have never used anything else. My first grow using it I vegged is the same pot for a few weeks then went into flower before I started nutes and it went great. But my second and now third run I transplanted into new fresh soil before flower and have problems. That's why I think it's the soil giving the plant too much nitrogen for flower.

 

[Smokingbandit000]

Well it's fox farm ocean forest soil, I don't add anything to it but it runs hot from what people say, I have never used anything else. My first grow using it I vegged is the same pot for a few weeks then went into flower before I started nutes and it went great. But my second and now third run I transplanted into new fresh soil before flower and have problems. That's why I think it's the soil giving the plant too much nitrogen for flower.

Every flower shop carries fox farm product now that wee is recreational out here so I figured I would just use that since it's well know to be good stuff to use.

 

[Tim1987]

I'm not denying the quality in the product.
But i havn't used the brand before. Fairly familiar with all things soil though.

Were the pots smaller, in the previous grow? Same environment, light, temps, soil.
Same watering frequency?

Are the fading, clawing leaves dry? A little rough to the touch, like sandpaper?

In the time between watering, are there any coincidences?
Like plant looks worse on the first or second day. But better towards the fourth.
Or vise versa.

Any added drainage?
I'd take soil sample, test the ph, and see what it says also. Just to be safe.
No bottled nutrient at all, only water?

 

[Smokingbandit000]

I'm not denying the quality in the product.
But i havn't used the brand before. Fairly familiar with all things soil though.

Were the pots smaller, in the previous grow? Same environment, light, temps, soil.
Same watering frequency?

Are the fading, clawing leaves dry? A little rough to the touch, like sandpaper?

My successful grow was in five gallon pots same soil and same nutes watered as often but didn't use as much water because they were smaller plants.

For my last two big plant grow including the one I'm on I transplanted then into a fesh batch of soil in a 20 gallon pot two weeks before flower.

Yes some of my leaves are dry to the touch.

My first grow I did not have any air flow or exauat, my owaves and inside of the ten was wet and dripping the whole time, but they flowered nice and never got mold.

Yes the sandpaper feel is there and I have been wondering about that I thought it's because I now have airflow lol

 

[Smokingbandit000]

Sorry about my spelling I'm using my phone.

 

[Smokingbandit000]

I'm not denying the quality in the product.
But i havn't used the brand before. Fairly familiar with all things soil though.

Were the pots smaller, in the previous grow? Same environment, light, temps, soil.
Same watering frequency?

Are the fading, clawing leaves dry? A little rough to the touch, like sandpaper?

In the time between watering, are there any coincidences?
Like plant looks worse on the first or second day. But better towards the fourth.
Or vise versa.

Any added drainage?
I'd take soil sample, test the ph, and see what it says also. Just to be safe.
No bottled nutrient at all, only water?

I used bottled nutes at half strength for week two and three then full strength week four.

After watering I don't notice anything change the next day it seems to just keep growing, I have noticed that the new growth has slowed it's taking 3 days for one leaf to come out the top. I never notice that place t get worse or better between waterings it just look like it always does. Sorry just trying to answer all your questions.

 

[Tim1987]

I used bottled nutes at half strength for week two and three then full strength week four.

After watering I don't notice anything change the next day it seems to just keep growing, I have noticed that the new growth has slowed it's taking 3 days for one leaf to come out the top. I never notice that place t get worse or better between waterings it just look like it always does. Sorry just trying to answer all your questions.

If i can give any advice, id say try plain water for a week or two. See how it goes.

I'd suggest to test a soil sample too. Because the nutrient can lower the ph.
What leachate that comes out into the waste isn't an accurate representation. Because buffers like lime etc, leach from the pot.
You need a mix of your soil to test. A soil test kit, or testing a slurry sample with distilled water, and a pen is the way to go.

Thats all i can tell you to do, and ask that you get the data. Otherwise i'm only guessing.
A pic in natural light will really, really help too.

Sorry bro, just being honest. Trying to help.