Why is my smell not as strong

[herballuvmonkey]

So my last run i did 5 white rhinos. Seeds fron nirvava. They came out terrific. Smell, stickiness and high were all a solid 8.5 on a 1 to 10 scale. So i cloned them and now im doing 16. They look great but the smell is not as strong nor is the stickiness there. Im wondering if i should double my feeding. With 5 they used to run low 2 days before water change. Now these eat everything up in 2 days and theyre are on ph'd water til i change the res in day 7. Im wondering if i should change res every 3 days now because thwy are not getting enough nutrients. Ive been growing for years but never this many. Im using a combo system with drip emitters and nft. Theyare in their 4th week of flower. Any suggestions would be most appreciated.

 

[Dear ol" Thankful Grower!]

So my last run i did 5 white rhinos. Seeds fron nirvava. They came out terrific. Smell, stickiness and high were all a solid 8.5 on a 1 to 10 scale. So i cloned them and now im doing 16. They look great but the smell is not as strong nor is the stickiness there. Im wondering if i should double my feeding. With 5 they used to run low 2 days before water change. Now these eat everything up in 2 days and theyre are on ph'd water til i change the res in day 7. Im wondering if i should change res every 3 days now because thwy are not getting enough nutrients. Ive been growing for years but never this many. Im using a combo system with drip emitters and nft. Theyare in their 4th week of flower. Any suggestions would be most appreciated.

Most smell come within final weeks of flower feeding more can make things worse give it time or feed sweetener like bud candy or botanicare raw I’d say just be patient man better to underfed then over fed

 

[Oo ee oo ah ah]

Would be very interested in any regimen that might boost terpenes.....

 

[ANC]

not ripe yet. Plant is master of the planet... with smells it talks and calls the microbes, as it does with us animals... If it is not calling you yet, it is not ready yet.

 

[herballuvmonkey]

I understand you guys totally. Im only a little worried because at this time last run this same strain was so much stronger. But i just thought about it with the increase in plants i increased yhe space but still running wiyh two 600 watters. Im thinking maybe i dhould have gone with two 1000 watters jnstead.

 

[Bud1284]

I understand you guys totally. Im only a little worried because at this time last run this same strain was so much stronger. But i just thought about it with the increase in plants i increased yhe space but still running wiyh two 600 watters. Im thinking maybe i dhould have gone with two 1000 watters jnstead.

1200W for 16 plants? I do not know if this would affect the smell but wattage seems a bit on the low side if you consider around 300W per plant, which is my measure.

 

[madra]

not ripe yet. Plant is master of the planet... with smells it talks and calls the microbes, as it does with us animals... If it is not calling you yet, it is not ready yet.

I like that answer, but I fucking love coloring!

 

[jarvild]

1200W for 16 plants? I do not know if this would affect the smell but wattage seems a bit on the low side if you consider around 300W per plant, which is my measure.

300 watts per plant? Are you achieving a lb. per plant?

 

[herballuvmonkey]

1200W for 16 plants? I do not know if this would affect the smell but wattage seems a bit on the low side if you consider around 300W per plant, which is my measure.

Wattage is not based on plants but square footage. I have 27 Sq feet and am putting out 180000 lumens. That's 6700 lumens per square foot. You need a minimum 3k per square foot so I'm more than double that. By Wattage per square foot it's 50 watts per square foot not 300. That's why the manufacturers tell you a 3x3 tent needs a 400 watt light. 9 Sq feet x50 equals 450 so it's close. I know some don't agree with this but this was the gospel for decades before the new guys came on the scene. As long as the spectrum is right 50 per is good. By my calcs it should be 1350 minimum I'm running. I plan to upgrade to two 1000 Watters on my next run. I changed my feeding schedule to once every 4 days. They so far seem to have responded well to it and the back plants begun to become sticky like normal. I think I didn't explain that my reservoir is only 10 gals and that is why they are sucking it down so fast. I'm upgrading to a 20 gal res on the next run to alleviate this problem. Newest pick from tonight's feeding all looking healthy.

 

[herballuvmonkey]

Would be very interested in any regimen that might boost terpenes.....

You can put the production in overdrive by using calmag, going to an aggressive formula on your bloom (I cut out into at week 4 and almost double my bloom Nutella keep same nitro though). The last 3 days is straight water and I turn my lights off completely some folks I know turn the lights down to 8 or 10 hours and say they get good results with that also. Oh and start with good genetics. Research pics online then order that strain and try to replicate.

 

[Stink Bug]

Lumens do not matter. Its all about the PAR and spectrum the bulb emits. Are you using the same light set up as the first run? Also there can be slight differences between runs. So many factors involved. Unless you have your environment dialed in and consistent. Every cycle will have its differences. And there is such a things as too much light.

 

[herballuvmonkey]

In actuality lymens do matter. I dont worry about par or specteum becausr i usr hid lights they are cirrect in both. Lumens tell me the intensity of the light and will it penetrate my canopy. This is the first run where i dis not cull the undergrowth. I wanted to see firsthand hiw deep they penetrated in a larger space. The sun emits approx 10k lumens per sq ft on earth. I strive to be a minimum of half that much and it works out well for me.

 

[Stealthstyle]

Nirvanas white rhino likes half strength nutes ive found.

Also as far as smells and taste try canna boost if you can afford it, it does a great job of bringing out smells and flavour. Also seems to improve trichome production.

 

[*BUDS]

The other WR may have flowered at different time of year slightly different ambient temps/rh.
The clones could bloom later and smell stronger closer to finish.

 

[Ecompost]

Lumens do not matter. Its all about the PAR and spectrum the bulb emits. Are you using the same light set up as the first run? Also there can be slight differences between runs. So many factors involved. Unless you have your environment dialed in and consistent. Every cycle will have its differences. And there is such a things as too much light.

neither of those measures really matter, its uMol how much usable light and PPFD how dense this light is.

Lumens mean nothing to plants but everything to humans, so if you are lighting a room for a human, Lumens might matter.

PAR measures the total spectrum, and since we are trying to mimic the sun or rather match a preferred spectrum to a preferred biology, ie a cannabis plant its good to take a note.
PAR is not relevant to humans because we cant see the entire spectrum, but it is relevant during the consumer business of buying a bulb in terms of matching the spectrum to the plants needs, after this dont worry about it, since none of this is a perfect measure of how much of that light any plant gets, so i refer you all to Micromoles or uMol and PPFD.

Micromoles and PPFD are what actually cause plants to react to the light reaching them. As PPFD increases, the light that is reaching the plant is more dense, and thus actually provides more light for the plant to use for photosynthesis, creating larger plants. As a quantifiable measurement, PPFD is a better way to determine how much light plants are receiving than lumens.

The reason you see better growth under a 1000W HID is based on PPFD alone, but dont forget, you are still wasting heaps of light and so you are spending more on electricity than you ought too.
How much light falls from the sun is not relevant either since it is not all used by plants, ie more falls than plants can use in any day cycle. About 40% is used under normal CO2 rates. EG if you want to use 100% of sunlight, you will be dead before you get there because of CO2 poisoning.
Stop wasting your money on 1000W lamps and help save the planet and your economy; learn about things properly. EG what are the limitations of plant growth and why?l How can we bend the physical and biological, what are the costs?

Next time you shop for a light or reflector, be sure to ask about the PPFD it puts out. And remember, a bright light for humans is not necessarily the right light for plants.

A plant in normal atmospheric CO2 has a limit on how many photons of light it can convert. So I would argue most of you indoor growers are wasting watts and contributing to global pollution of the wider environment because you dont understand the basic, and fundamental physical limitations of biology.

here are some basic definitions to help

• Photon: A quanta, or particle, of light
• Micromole: a way to measure the amount of a substance, or in this case the number of photons passing through a target area, one micromole of light equals just over 62 quadrillion photons
• Photosynthetically Active Radiation (PAR): all radiation with a wavelength of 400nm-700nm that is used for photosynthesis
• Photosynthetic Photon Flux Density (PPFD): a measurement of PAR; the number of photons falling on a given area in a given amount of time, typically measured in micromoles per square meter per second

Added the data on this site is very weak imo. Be careful because of that. You all have browsers since you are on a website. I therefore, urge you look outside of the cannabis forums to tighten up any data before posting. Being properly informed is the ony way to insure you arent wasting money on marketing babble

 

[Ecompost]

to the original post point, may be try adding carbohydrates? And also not forgetting some plants just dont smell that much, in fact many hybrids where created for this purpose before the legalization movement where risks of detection were more serious

 

[Ecompost]

I understand you guys totally. Im only a little worried because at this time last run this same strain was so much stronger. But i just thought about it with the increase in plants i increased yhe space but still running wiyh two 600 watters. Im thinking maybe i dhould have gone with two 1000 watters jnstead.

or less plants of better quality?

 

[Ecompost]

1200W for 16 plants? I do not know if this would affect the smell but wattage seems a bit on the low side if you consider around 300W per plant, which is my measure.

I would fine you for overusing electricity, you ought to learn about how plants use light, and so measure it from the plant side to avoid this waste

 

[Ecompost]

Nirvanas white rhino likes half strength nutes ive found.

Also as far as smells and taste try canna boost if you can afford it, it does a great job of bringing out smells and flavour. Also seems to improve trichome production.

canna boost is carbohydrates, expensive and watery but it does work as any carbs would

 

[herballuvmonkey]

or less plants of better quality?

I use nirvana seeds. I never had a quality problem before with them so i dont think i will experience any problems this time. I just wanted to try a larger run as i never go over 5.