Changes at Timber Grow Lights

[Lordhooha]

You know what i think of you, right?

He right though. Just not anodized green which you can find online too.

 

[Dave455]

Hello @Dave455,

Yours is not a true statement and I would appreciate it if you would not spread false information about Timber Grow Lights and it's products.

Our company builds lights that can be customized for color temp, mixing of color temp, mixing of CRI and use of optics. All of these variables will change the PPFD of a fixture drastically. It is not possible for us to test every permutation for PPFD output. We have tested the PPFD output of the most popular (3500K 80 RA) in an integrated sphere and those are the results shown on our website.

Additionally, we have shared these results (raw data) with the community - with the help of a long time and trusted forum member @PSUAGRO. - testing done by NextLight at their laboratory on their dime - so please do a little more research next time you try to speak on the behalf of a company(ies) you know nothing of the inner workings of.

Thank you,
Dan

Hello @Dave455,

Yours is not a true statement and I would appreciate it if you would not spread false information about Timber Grow Lights and it's products.

Our company builds lights that can be customized for color temp, mixing of color temp, mixing of CRI and use of optics. All of these variables will change the PPFD of a fixture drastically. It is not possible for us to test every permutation for PPFD output. We have tested the PPFD output of the most popular (3500K 80 RA) in an integrated sphere and those are the results shown on our website.

Additionally, we have shared these results (raw data) with the community - with the help of a long time and trusted forum member @PSUAGRO. - testing done by NextLight at their laboratory on their dime - so please do a little more research next time you try to speak on the behalf of a company(ies) you know nothing of the inner workings of.

Thank you,
Dan

Ok thanks Dan. Only restating what you told me about only having calculated PPFD on fixture I purchased from you.

 

[Or_Gro]

Ok thanks Dan. Only restating what you told me about only having calculated PPFD on fixture I purchased from you.

So what, the light’s ppfd is as calculated! He already told you he doesn’t test every variation.

Most light makers don’t even do what dan does.

 

[Dave455]

So what, the light’s ppfd is as calculated!

no issue here, merely stating fact,

 

[Or_Gro]

no issue here, merely stating fact,

Useless fact! Not even trivia...

Consider what it says about mfg to spec...

 

[Boatguy]

Yeah , but not everyone wants to do diy, can you get that through your thick head?

You are doing an excellent job making yourself look like a complete asshole in this thread. Pretty much negates anything useful you have ever offered riu.

 

[Aolelon]

Yeah , but not everyone wants to do diy, can you get that through your thick head?

And not everyone wants to sell their competitors products. Cant you get that through yours?

 

[Or_Gro]

And not everyone wants to sell their competitors products. Cant you get that through yours?

What? More babble?

 

[Boatguy]

You again?

Yes, freak.
It is me. You are your own worst enemy.
Great job proving your point though.....

 

[Or_Gro]

But it’s remarkably easy to do. I never said anything negative to you. I simply stated a fact. Your awfully pissy though are you sure your not a woman? But it’s clear your simply a brand whore which isn’t bad but you border on obnoxious.

People can cook too, but some go to restaurants...

Well you just did..,

 

[Or_Gro]

Yes, freak.
It is me. You are your own worst enemy.
Great job proving your point though.....

Troll me some more

 

[Lordhooha]

People can cook too, but some go to restaurants...

Well you just did..,

Nah I smoked ribs today. Good try though. Soon to have more once I pick up my pigs tomorrow.

 

[WeedSexWeightsShakes]

 

[Yodaweed]

Hydro using organic-based liquid nutrients (including humic, fulvic acids and micros), and/or teas, as opposed to straight mineral salts in sterile solution. If you're going to ask what type of hydro, then any type; aeroponics being a bit more challenging due to the susceptibility of misters being blocked by organic compounds. I've grown organic DWC, NFT and currently RTW coco, which provides a better buffer and a bit of insurance in summer in terms of root zone aeration (protection against anaerobic conditions).

SIP is not organic hydro and I'm not a big fan of it as bottom-up watering can lead to salt build-up when it carries minerals to the surface where the solution evaporates and there is no self-flushing action within the pot.

Wouldn't you consider that semi organic? Bottled nutrients aren't really organic it's a big difference between building a food web and feeding bottles. I don't really consider brands like general organics truly organic it's still not the same as having living organisms in the soil breaking down organic materials and forming a symbiotic relationship with the plants growing . I been gardening organically using no till methods and also doing hydro side by side for a while(tried many different types of nutrient brands) if you have some questions you can ask in the organic section there's lots of people there that can help you, bottles aren't organic no matter how hard they try to sell you on them being organic. I'd also suggest picking up teaming with microbes, great read for organic growing.

 

[Boatguy]

Nah I smoked ribs today. Good try though. Soon to have more once I pick up my pigs tomorrow.

Slow and low

 

[Lordhooha]

Slow and low

Yah buddy. I had some left from last years pigs and was like why not. Use pecan wood yum. Now time to restock my freezer.

 

[Prawn Connery]

Wouldn't you consider that semi organic? Bottled nutrients aren't really organic it's a big difference between building a food web and feeding bottles. I don't really consider brands like general organics truly organic it's still not the same as having living organisms in the soil breaking down organic materials and forming a symbiotic relationship with the plants growing . I been gardening organically using no till methods and also doing hydro side by side for a while(tried many different types of nutrient brands) if you have some questions you can ask in the organic section there's lots of people there that can help you, bottles aren't organic no matter how hard they try to sell you on them being organic. I'd also suggest picking up teaming with microbes, great read for organic growing.

Have you ever heard of aquaponics? Probably not. It's a good place to start learning about microbial activity in suspension and symbiosis. Also about nutrient suspension in water.

Likewise, you've probably never made your own fish emulsion. Nor grown with organic teas made with liquified worm castings and guano. But even if you have never made your own - or don't know how - there are plenty of certified organic nutrients on the market that are exactly that: liquified organic nutrients and microbes in suspension.

Perhaps it's the "hydroponic" part you don't understand. You do realise that most forms of hydroponics use media and that, even where they don't (DWC and aeropinics for example) the oxygenated root zone has its own rhizosphere harbouring the same microbial colonies found in soil-grown plants.

So no, I don't consider it "semi-organic". Just as I don't consider you really understand what you're talking about when you refer to "living organisms in the soil breaking down organic materials". You don't need soil to do that. In fact, soil is largely made up of sand - an inert material that simply provides a stable structure to hold roots. And how do you think those same nutrients broken down by microbial activity are transported into the plant? Suspended in water, through epidermal root hairs with the help of mycorrhizal fungi, if present.

 

[WeedSexWeightsShakes]

Have you ever heard of aquaponics? Probably not. It's a good place to start learning about microbial activity in suspension and symbiosis. Also about nutrient suspension in water.

Likewise, you've probably never made your own fish emulsion. Nor grown with organic teas made with liquified worm castings and guano. But even if you have never made your own - or don't know how - there are plenty of certified organic nutrients on the market that are exactly that: liquified organic nutrients and microbes in suspension.

Perhaps it's the "hydroponic" part you don't understand. You do realise that most forms of hydroponics use media and that, even where they don't (DWC and aeropinics for example) the oxygenated root zone has its own rhizosphere harbouring the same microbial colonies found in soil-grown plants.

So no, I don't consider it "semi-organic". Just as I don't consider you really understand what you're talking about when you refer to "living organisms in the soil breaking down organic materials". You don't need soil to do that. In fact, soil is largely made up of sand - an inert material that simply provides a stable structure to hold roots. And how do you think those same nutrients broken down by microbial activity are transported into the plant? Suspended in water, through epidermal root hairs with the help of mycorrhizal fungi, if present.

Seems like you’d need a lot of room for aeroponics? Roots just dangle in the air and get misted. Sounds interesting!

 

[Prawn Connery]

Yes and no. A friend of mine is a professor who lectures on the subject and has many systems he uses to demonstrate on all different scales. At the smaller end, a basic aquaponic system might be a small goldfish tank with plants sitting on top and a small pond pump recirculating the water. You feed the fish and pump the water to the plants, which remove the waste nutrient as they feed and return the purified water to the tank in a waterfall effect that also oxygenates the eco-system and keeps everything happy (both fish and plant roots need oxygen to survive, but fish require substantially more).

Medium-scale you could have two separate systems: a remote fish pond connected to a recirculating hydroponic system via a pond pump and irrigation lines that do the same thing. You feed the fish, the fish shit, the water is circulated through the plant root zone and the plants remove the waste while they feed on the nitrogen and other nutrient-rich water. The purified water keeps the fish happy and the physical act of recirculating the water oxygenates it.

On the largest scale, he has set up community-based aquaponic enterprises in Africa that involve large freshwater fish ponds that abut food-crops and use soil-irrigation techniques to divert water from the ponds to the crop fields, which drain back into the ponds. Some of the cereals from the food crops are used to feed the fish to complete the cycle. The Africans get a steady supply of fresh fish and cereals/vegetables, and the whole system is fuelled by photosynthesis and rain water. Even the pond pumps run on photovoltaic power (supplemented by battery power when there is no sun).

 

[Stephenj37826]

With Citizen COBs it's easy to calculate the number of diodes inside it. The type number gives you the number of parallel series in the COB. So a Citizen CLU048-1212 contains 12*12=144 diodes. A CLU058-1825 even 18*25 = 450. Or the CLU058-3618, yikes.

Citizen actually crams a lot more diodes in the same space than Cree (a 1212 is much smaller than a Cree CXB3590).

It really comes down to die size as well. For instance Nichia has 2 different 2 die 3030 V1 leds. The NF2 and NT2 series. Both use 2 dies in series the NF2 using larger dies than the NT2. The VF will be lower on the NF2 and power handling is also higher as well. NF2 can be slightly more efficient as power levels go up. Hopefully in the future the die size will be an available piece of data{very helpful).