Busted for buying seeds online ?

[jayblaze710]

You're an idiot.

In order to obtain a warrant, you must provide sufficient probable cause.

• there is no link between me and the seeds.
• there is no return address on the envelope the seeds were in.
• there is no way to verify that I ever purchased anything illegal.
• there is no way to even suggest that I had any knowledge the envelope even existed.

So tell me, bright boy: where are you going to get your probable cause? Out of your ass?

And the reason shippers can not forward any shipment of found illegal drugs is simple: IT'S FUCKING ILLEGAL TO SHIP ILLEGAL DRUGS.

They have to notify the authorities immediately, who confiscate them. If they're of sufficient quantity to warrant investigation and they want to pursue you, then they'll take care of delivery and everything else involved themselves.

They sure as fuck aren't going to leave it up to Opey making deliveries for the U.S. mail on a part time basis.

You should start your own law firm.

 

[rkymtnman]

You should start your own law firm.

it's easier to pretend to be one on a pot growing site.

 

[TacoMac]

It's CJ 101.

The world doesn't work like NCIS and Law and Order where a hunch or your good looks gets you a warrant.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

Wrong. They are ALL inspected. There is no "likely" to it.



It could...if it fell, busted open and all the contents popped out. But they have no reason to look at it. It's already been looked at. It's the same with any customs coming into the country.



Wrong. That is black letter law.



Those bust are going on by way of them getting people who bought the bogus pills to rat out who sold them.

If you bothered actually listening, they all know it comes from China.

Nobody in China has been busted.

Nobody China actually shipped it to has been busted.

Only local dealers have been busted and that's because they got stupid and sold it. It took idiots selling to idiots to get busted, so if you're using it yourself you wouldn't have anything to worry about at all.

my friend dates a girl that works at the local post office, he told me a couple of days ago that someone was getting a lb. sent to them and the package popped open, there was weed all over the back of the post office.... she told him the sender used a made up address, but the receiver was in for an interesting visit.....

 

[jayblaze710]

It's CJ 101.

The world doesn't work like NCIS and Law and Order where a hunch or your good looks gets you a warrant.

It’s amazingly easy to get probable cause for a warrant. If your name, your address, or an address you’re connected to is listed on the package, they can search you and your property and arrest you.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

TacoMac has zero, and I mean ZERO idea what he is talking about.

If a shipment comes through country borders, and inspectors realize, through whatever means, that it contains something illegal, they will write up a warrant, deliver it, and then have SWAT or DEA bang down your door.

There isn’t some ridiculous statute where since it was an international order they can’t do anything about it. I personally know someone who got arrested for buying MDMA from overseas.

Stop making up bullshit.

this started off being about beans. the postal inspectors don't do shit about beans except confiscate them and send you an opened packaged with a letter in it that says be good, we're watching you....but they aren't, they'd need ten times more postal inspectors to even make a dent.
i know this because i've seen more than one of those letters. this isn't supposition, it's personal observation.
i would imagine they're a lot more vigilant about harder drugs, and the dea would indeed be interested in someone receiving heroin, fentanyl, or cases of pills.

 

[doniawon]

Look here's the deal you are one small peaon in a great war. Yes there is a chance of getting caught bring seeds into the us, but it about the same chance as crossing the street and getting hit by a car. First off get a prepaid card, second order from a reputable comany....i.e. attitude, don't be a fool and opt out for the stealth shipping...pay for it....never ship seeds were you are growing big mistake. That's what Johnny Law wants plants, not some measly old seeds. If you get a letter from the post office saying you got a package to come and get...fuck it chuck it up as a loss and move on. Lastly if seeds do get caught in customs, the only repercussion you have to fear is a pretty pink slip letting you know that the importation of cannabis seeds in the us is illegal. No law enforcement is going to was dollars to bust some trying to import seeds, now investigations of possible grow site is real, hence why we don't send see to where we are growing. Follow these rules and you will have great harvests for many years. By the way been ordering from attitude seed bank for 3 years and have yet to have an order seized. A+++ service with freebies everytime you order from the, and me likes the freebies.

PS. DON'T TELL ANYONE YOPU ARE GROWING MARIJUANA, WIFE INCLUDED. YOU FORGOT YOUR WEDDING ANIVERSERY AND NOW SHE IS PISSED AT YOU THINGS GET WORSE, NOW SHE WANTS TO LEAVE NEXT THING YOU KNOW THE LAW AND CYS IS AT YOUR DOOR. TRUST NO ONE, IF YOU CAN'T KEEP A SECRET HOW CAN YOU EXPECT ANYONE ELSE TO. THE PEOPLE YOU THINK ARE SAFE ARE THE PEOPLE YOU HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT. TRUST ME I HAVE BEEN THERE AS WELL AS MANY OTHER JUST TURN ON THE 5 O CLOCK NEWS.

Damn fine post

 

[waterproof808]

When they find drugs in the mail they hand it off to law enforcement who usually makes a "controlled delivery" to establish probable cause before they waste time on a case that won't hold up in court. Most cases the person has already been under investigation for a while.

 

[Herb & Suds]

When they find drugs in the mail they hand it off to law enforcement who usually makes a "controlled delivery" to establish probable cause before they waste time on a case that won't hold up in court. Most cases the person has already been under investigation for a while.

Seeds?

 

[waterproof808]

No not seeds. I think seeds are relatively safe in most states. I order all the time with my personal CC and ship to my house.

 

[Herb & Suds]

No not seeds. I think seeds are relatively safe in most states. I order all the time with my personal CC and ship to my house.

OK but the title is about seeds

 

[waterproof808]

and the last 2 pages have been discussing both seeds and drugs in the mail, as well as establishing probable cause.

 

[Herb & Suds]

and the last 2 pages have been discussing both seeds and drugs in the mail, as well as establishing probable cause.

Which is why I tried to get it back on seeds

 

[jayblaze710]

There’s been a well documented history of inspectors/dea not caring about seeds. They just send a form letter telling you to stop it, and that’s it. I know people that have gotten multiple letters, and nothing has happened. Until someone does get a visit from DEA over seeds, we have nothing to worry about.

As for my friend that got busted for MDMA, they identified what the package contained and made a controlled delivery. Once delivery occurred, it made the search warrant active, and DEA/SWAT were banging on his door 30s later. They ransacked his house and took a ton of shit, including his computers. Some of it related to drug usage, most of it not. They unpacked the package in front of him, and then arrested him. Luckily, it was his first offense, it was a small order, nothing they obtained implicated him in anything else, and he was able to plead out and get his record expunged after drug classes and probation. He was facing 4 years and they easily could’ve taken the case federal.

I also know people that have scoped out LE hanging around post offices or UPS stores waiting for people to pick up packages from their PO box. Luckily they were tipped off that something was amiss and didn’t pick up their packages, but sending things to a PO box still carries the same risks.

To say that they couldn’t knock down your door for seeds is wrong. It’s just clearly not a priority. Also to say that domestic is more dangerous than international is straight up wrong. Until GPS started getting packages pulled, I had never heard of domestic orders being intercepted. It’s fairly common for it to happen on international packages. International packages go through a much more thorough inspection process, so they’re more likely to be stopped.

 

[yesum]

^^ Makes sense to me. I recently got the green tape no seeds package. I got a little worried but I live in California so. If in Georgia or some such place I might give a damn.

I have made dozens of mostly international orders and only one with the tape. I have had several Dutch orders go missing. No idea if cops or crooks there.

 

[Tangerine_]

International seizures "seem" more common because they are/were. Green tapes been a thing for literally decades.
Stateside banks are fairly new...or at least new to anyone that's been buying seeds for more than a couple yrs. To me, it doesn't seem like it was all that long ago that there were no stateside banks and our options were limited. And before that, they were bought from the back pages of HTs and seed catalogs. I think even nudie mags had em.

The only seed busts that I know of were big busts and those guys had already been under investigation. Of course there was fuckery and snitching going on but that's a whole other story.

Point being, buying seeds is relatively safe. Theres a million and one threads covering this topic on every grow forum.

 

[Misterbeans]

This makes no sense.. Inbound international mail is wayyy more likely to be inspected than domestic.. Packages can make it past customs and still be stopped by the USPIS along the way fyi.. and the whole "theyre not permitted by law to let it go any further" is a bunch of bullshit. If that were the case there wouldnt be the fentanyl stings where they deliver and pop.

If they can charge you for state-line crimes domestic, they can charge you with a importing contraband.. they're not doing either at the time but your logic is just a little wonky imo

my friend got caught buying from seedsman. they sent him a letter in the opened package. it said, basically" naughty, stop it."
he sent a copy of the letter to seedsman and they reshipped his order, which he then received.
he and i have both bought overseas since then, and have had no problems

so that's 1 seedsman bust, hope I'm to next still waiting. Idk if it comes USPS or what they give no information lol. I swore I paid for tracking but didn't get it as long as they don't swing through the window il let you know.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

so that's 1 seedsman bust, hope I'm to next still waiting. Idk if it comes USPS or what they give no information lol. I swore I paid for tracking but didn't get it as long as they don't swing through the window il let you know.

i've ordered from seedsman with my friend a couple of times, and a couple of times by myself, i've always gotten what i ordered.
both times they came to my house, they were in the regular mail, just found them in the mail box

 

[Misterbeans]

this started off being about beans. the postal inspectors don't do shit about beans except confiscate them and send you an opened packaged with a letter in it that says be good, we're watching you....but they aren't, they'd need ten times more postal inspectors to even make a dent.
i know this because i've seen more than one of those letters. this isn't supposition, it's personal observation.
i would imagine they're a lot more vigilant about harder drugs, and the dea would indeed be interested in someone receiving heroin, fentanyl, or cases of pills.

So you got busted twice?

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

So you got busted twice?

no, i've never been caught, but i know three separate people who have all gotten at least one green tape package. they all turned around and ordered again, and got what they ordered. that leads me to believe that if they even put you on a list, the list is so big it's useless