Trump plans to end citizenship for children of immigrants born in US

squarepush3r

squarepush3r

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londonfog said:
You can't even explain what you highlighted. The birth on USA soil gives puts them in jurisdiction. We not talking about the parents. Why are Trump supporters so damn stupid
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The separate part of the Amendment makes it clear it is something distinct (different) than simply being born in the USA. If the only requirement was being born inside the borders of the USA, then it would have just states this was the only factor (and not added additional requirements)
 
Buddha2525

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UncleBuck said:
Nazi propagandist says what
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Take that up with the racist Republicans appeasing the racist Republican Lincoln. He didn't give two shits about blacks. Before he was assassinated he wanted to send them to Liberia, but the rest of his Republican cronies thought that plan was too hard to implement and suggested he send them to South America instead.

Maybe this quote will show you how much he loved black people.

“I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races,”

The 14th amendment was only ever about figuring out what to do with freed black slaves, because the framers considered them a burden. It had nothing to do with the current revisionist thinking to make us look more civilized than we were back then.

It's also not racist pointing out your SJW delusions that people weren't complete assholes back then, and Lincoln wasn't the savior who freed black slaves because he was not doing it for SJW reasons, but economic ones.
 
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londonfog

londonfog

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squarepush3r said:
The separate part of the Amendment makes it clear it is something distinct (different) than simply being born in the USA. If the only requirement was being born inside the borders of the USA, then it would have just states this was the only factor (and not added additional requirements)
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You are dumb as shit. I take pleasure in knowing that. Please keep going. You make me proud to know what I am
 
londonfog

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Olive Drab Green said:
Dude, I’m coming to that conclusion lately. It actually makes me feel better about myself, honestly.


“And only those as super smart as me will be left alive to bitterly cry:

‘YOU IDIOTS! Damn you!!! GODDAMN YOU ALL TO HELL!’”
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When I first saw the movie " Idiocracy " I was laughing my ass off with disbelief on how dumb the characters were...then came Trump.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Buddha2525 said:
Take that up with the racist Republicans appeasing the racist Republican Lincoln. He didn't give two shits about blacks. Before he was assassinated he wanted to send them to Liberia, but the rest of his Republican cronies thought that plan was too hard to implement and suggested he send them to South America instead.

Maybe this quote will show you how much he loved black people.

“I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races,”

The 14th amendment was only ever about figuring out what to do with freed black slaves, because the framers considered them a burden. It had nothing to do with the current revisionist thinking to make us look more civilized than we were back then.

It's also not racist pointing out your SJW delusions that people weren't complete assholes back then, and Lincoln wasn't the savior who freed black slaves because he was not doing it for SJW reasons, but economic ones.
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What does any of that have to do with you spamming the twin nazi conspiracy theories of Jewish supremacism and white genocide all over our previously unsullied forum, nazi bitch boi?
 
Fogdog

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squarepush3r said:
seems fairly straightforward, there is an AND that says the persons must also be subject to the jurisdiction, which illegal aliens arguably are not. Its perfectly within the constitution framework.

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The part you highlighted was about children of foreign diplomats who are born here. Unlike everybody else in the US, foreign diplomats, ambassadors and their families have immunity to the laws (jursidiction) of the United States. I'm embarrassed for you that I had to point that out.
 
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Fogdog

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squarepush3r said:
you are the one who apparently doesn't understand what "and" means.
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You should stop reading right wing nonsense and simply go to the sources. You are clearly muddled and lost.

https://www.uscis.gov/policymanual/Print/PolicyManual-Volume7-PartO-Chapter3.html
USCIS Policy Manual
Current as of October 30, 2018
Volume 7 - Adjustment of Status
Part O - Registration
Chapter 3 - Foreign Nationals Born in the United States to Accredited Diplomats

A. Purpose
The child of a foreign diplomatic officer accredited by the U.S. Department of State who is born in the United States may voluntarily register for lawful permanent residence. [1]

B. Background
Foreign diplomats enjoy certain immunities under international law. The spouse and child of a diplomat generally enjoy similar immunities. Children born in the United States to accredited foreign diplomatic officers do not acquire citizenship under the 14th Amendment since they are not “born . . . subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.” [2] DHS regulations, however, have long allowed these children to choose to be considered lawful permanent residents (LPRs) from the time of birth. [3]

Registration as a permanent resident under this provision is entirely voluntary, but it does involve an application process.

This registration process is necessary and available only if both parents were foreign nationals when the child was born. If one parent was an accredited diplomat, but the other was a U.S. citizen or non-citizen U.S. national, then the child was “born . . . subject to the jurisdiction of the United States,” and is a citizen.
 
TacoMac

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squarepush3r said:
The separate part of the Amendment makes it clear it is something distinct (different) than simply being born in the USA. If the only requirement was being born inside the borders of the USA, then it would have just states this was the only factor (and not added additional requirements)
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You're a fucking moron.

Unlike you Republicans, we have the ability to actually read. Most of us actually are educated as well, and are quite familiar with the Constitution. You obviously are not.

Section 1 of the 14th ammendment deals with citizenship. Here it is in its entirety:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
 
Unclebaldrick

Unclebaldrick

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TacoMac said:
You're a fucking moron.

Unlike you Republicans, we have the ability to actually read. Most of us actually are educated as well, and are quite familiar with the Constitution. You obviously are not.

Section 1 of the 14th ammendment deals with citizenship. Here it is in its entirety:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
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Imagine what we could do with the 2nd amendment using his logic.

Militia? Sign here, we drill on Saturdays.

Well regulated? We lock our guns up in this cabinet the other six days.
 
squarepush3r

squarepush3r

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Fogdog said:
"It's true because Trump said so and I want him to be right."

@squarepush3r is scraping the bottom of the barrel for answers and this was the best he had. Laughable.
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Its possible, beyond my legal ability to really say. Will probably be hashed out in courts? By the way, the Democrats used to be able to get votes by appealing to the middle class and average citizen, I really don't see why yall are so desperate to have unlimited low IQ immigrants now so you can convince them to vote blue.


https://www.reddit.com/r/Conservative/comments/9smit6/axios_trump_to_terminate_birthright_citizenship/e8q70rn/

According to this
http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llcg&fileName=073/llcg073.db&recNum=14


Senator Lyman Trumbull said:

“The provision is, that ‘all persons born in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens.' That means, “subject to the complete jurisdiction thereof." [...] What do we mean by subject to the jurisdiction of the United States? Not owing allegiance to anybody else.” Source

Senator Reverdy Johnson said

“Now, all that this amendment provides is, that all persons born in the United States and not subject to some foreign Power for that, no doubt, is the meaning of the committee who have brought the matter before us, shall be considered as citizens of the United States.”
 
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