GM laying off 15% of workers and shutting down 5 plants due to trump tariffs

doublejj

doublejj

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Lucky Luke said:
Mining of, making of, charging of and the disposing of makes batteries arguably worse for the environment than a Petrol powered vehicle.
Expensive to replace the packs to and I don't think they have a very long life.
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Nevada Lithium mine.....
 
UncleBuck

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Ripped Farmer said:
This is the actual reason for GM ending jobs. They've been getting pushed around in the market for a long time, decades actually. New companies are coming to take their place regardless.

If Trump was President when Blockbuster went under, ya'll'd be blaming him for it while logging into Netflix.
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GM cites trumps retarded and unwinnable trade war actually

Dumbass
 
Boatguy

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As a trump hater it pains me to defend him.

His trade war/redesign is long overdue and will likely be the only good notes from his hopefully single term.
 
too larry

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Boatguy said:
As a trump hater it pains me to defend him.

His trade war/redesign is long overdue and will likely be the only good notes from his hopefully single term.
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Other than the Supreme Court, these tariffs could do the most long term damage of all his "adventures". We have a little down turn on the way. It's the way the world works. It's been a long time, and it's going to happen sooner or later. These tariffs could turn that into a serious recession or even depression. {tariffs made the Great Depression worse and last longer}
 
Boatguy

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You may be right, but those trade deals were outdated.
The tariff's are a separate issue, but gm isnt hurting. They bought up their stocks, pocketed a bunch of cash and are re positioning for whatever the future holds.
 
ttystikk

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Lucky Luke said:
Mining of, making of, charging of and the disposing of makes batteries arguably worse for the environment than a Petrol powered vehicle.
Expensive to replace the packs to and I don't think they have a very long life.
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No.

You mine, refine and manufacture that battery once. Yep, just once for up to 100k miles. The electricity can be generated from renewable, non polluting sources, even intermittent ones, even solar panels on your roof.

The supply of gasoline has to be endless, especially when you factor in the production multiple, or how much MORE oil is needed in order to extract, refine and deliver that gallon to your neighborhood gas station.
 
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ttystikk

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too larry said:
Yep. It's a shame folks didn't buy them. SUV's are what is selling. I've been saying for years we need to kick up the gas tax high enough that folks will be forced to drive fuel efficient cars. It has worked in EU countries.
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A more nuanced market analysis reveals that due to extreme and worsening income inequality in America, there are relatively few entry level car buyers anymore; those buying new have the money to buy bigger luxury cars, the rest of us buy used.

It is true the GM had trouble selling them. It is just as true that America's major petroleum producers effectively pay negative taxes to extract and deliver gasoline to consumers.

The problem, as usual, isn't technological; it's political.
 
doublejj

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ttystikk said:
No.

You mine, refine and manufacture that battery once. Yep, just once for up to 100k miles. The electricity can be generated from renewable, non polluting sources, even intermittent ones, even solar panels on your roof.

The supply of gasoline has to be endless, especially when you factor in the production multiple, or how much MORE oil is needed in order to extract, refine and deliver that gallon to your neighborhood gas station.
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Data shows Tesla batteries will still have 80% capacity at 300,000 miles....
 
doublejj

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ttystikk said:
Fortunately they're recyclable.
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Tesla's Closed Loop Battery Recycling Program
"As we work to lessen global dependence on petroleum-based transportation and drive down the cost of electric vehicles, we are committed to instituting a closed loop battery recycling system. A closed loop of material use involves manufacturing of battery cells, assembly into battery packs, then vehicles, and finally, recycling into raw materials for future use."....
https://www.tesla.com/blog/teslas-closed-loop-battery-recycling-program
 
tangerinegreen555

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too larry said:
Yep. It's a shame folks didn't buy them. SUV's are what is selling. I've been saying for years we need to kick up the gas tax high enough that folks will be forced to drive fuel efficient cars. It has worked in EU countries.
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I looked at a Volt once. It struck me as a $25K car selling for over 40K because it had a battery.

And the battery warranty/replacement cost was fucking scary. Normal people will buy electric when they're similarly priced to gas, and you get a warranty longer than the loan.
 
too larry

too larry

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tangerinegreen555 said:
I looked at a Volt once. It struck me as a $25K car selling for over 40K because it had a battery.

And the battery warranty/replacement cost was fucking scary. Normal people will buy electric when they're similarly priced to gas, and you get a warranty longer than the loan.
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Yep. We have two Prius. Great cars for a decent price. But neither of us put many miles on a car. My Camry is a '13 and it has 50K. At 33 mpg, that means I've only put a hair over 1500 gallons in it. The wife is retired, so her cars almost never get driven anymore.
 
Lucky Luke

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ttystikk said:
No.

You mine, refine and manufacture that battery once. Yep, just once for up to 100k miles. The electricity can be generated from renewable, non polluting sources, even intermittent ones, even solar panels on your roof.

The supply of gasoline has to be endless, especially when you factor in the production multiple, or how much MORE oil is needed in order to extract, refine and deliver that gallon to your neighborhood gas station.
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Then they are getting more miles on the battery packs than my old boss did. He was lucky to get 5 years and went through a controller or two in that time as well.
Disposing of the batteries is a little bit of a environmental nightmare.

Im not sure why we are not looking at steam again TBH. Guess because its free..
 
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