dabby duck
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Its just a tool and of course it does, but what genetic base hasnt been linebred? Heterosis will only continue for so long....before it too will start creating "mutants."...
Old World Genetics - DJ Short
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CannaBruh
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member the days when "IBL" was the hot acronym for bean selling hype?
jayblaze710
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Ummm...almost everything being grown today are extreme hybrids. There’s almost no linebreeding beyond a generation or two.
Ugh more stoner bro science. Hbridization certainly does not “create” mutants. It does the opposite because it hides deleterious recessive alleles.
eastcoastmo
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Cheers for the rap mate! You smashed it outta the park with this one hey. Really glad it turned out as well as it did
dabby duck
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Thats not what I am saying for the most part, those extreme hybrids are all coming from line bred stock, whether its skunk or nl or g13 or on and on, and as for mutants in quotes, I didnt refer to deletorious, I meant boring, too much variation.
Beyond that, lines like OG have basically been line bred as well as other avenues obviously, even though they werent the product of said method. Most of the bagseed elites have become defacto filial lines, maybe not....
I was just trying to suss more of your reasoning on the line breeding, you took it a different direction, although I heavily agree with all of what you stated, although its a bit off topic...
Maybe a better question is why not line breed? Ease, better chemotype/phenotype sequestering?
dabby duck
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Most were single backcrosses with partial hybrids, lol...wasnt that long ago
jayblaze710
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I see what you mean. I don’t think most older strains were line bred all that much, or that wasn’t the initial intention. The initial NL may have been line bred, but Neville crossed it with different plants to create the different original strains we think of. When seed banks started getting their hands on lines, they may have inbred them to continue producing stock. That may be part of why all the old strains tend to be a shadow of what they used to be (also rose colored glasses).
I don’t like line breeding because of inbreeding depression. Some people want “stable” lines where every seed produces the same pheno. When I think of that, I only imagine a line of nothing but mediocre plants. Even if starting out with amazing parents, the quest for stability is going to inherently move everything towards the middle. I’d rather hunt through a pack with the possibility of an amazing plant along with some poorer examples, then a bunch of decent but not amazing plants. That’s just my opinion though.
Outcrossing is necessary to continually improve breeding stock. After a few generations of inbreeding, it’s not getting any better.
The Mantis
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New Berry packs have sold out on JBC. I just noticed now, but they have probably been sold out for awhile now. Anyone want a pack for $500? jk
CoolDiskoDan
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[QUOTE="Outcrossing is necessary to continually improve breeding stock. After a few generations of inbreeding, it’s not getting any better.[/QUOTE]
Amish struggle.
Amish struggle.
Clown Baby
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DJs gear is great. But there are a lot of genetic oddities and heavier variegation is not unusual, which people usually don't like to see when paying ~$120/pack.
In my experience, best results come from buying a pack or two, then open pollinating or crossing the best malexfemale, and phenohunting from a few dozen(or hundred) of those seeds. Guaranteed to find keepers that way. I definitely like my blueberry keepers better than dozens of polyhybrid cookie derivative strains on instagram today.
Another option is second generation genetics. It's DJ's son who is releasing a bunch of crosses from a Blueberry f4 stud. Some great looking F1s coming out of there
In my experience, best results come from buying a pack or two, then open pollinating or crossing the best malexfemale, and phenohunting from a few dozen(or hundred) of those seeds. Guaranteed to find keepers that way. I definitely like my blueberry keepers better than dozens of polyhybrid cookie derivative strains on instagram today.
Another option is second generation genetics. It's DJ's son who is releasing a bunch of crosses from a Blueberry f4 stud. Some great looking F1s coming out of there
jayblaze710
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With how inbred the DJ shorts lines are, crossing siblings really isn’t going to reveal anything new. If you’re not finding anything good in a pack, then it’s highly unlikely inbreeding it even further is going to help things.
Cptn
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if you pay a bit of attention to whats been going on with him, you'll realize that DJ set up his son (JD) to get a start in the business and his son's work is released under the "Second generation genetics" brand.
DJ's work has always been under the "Old World Genetics" brand.
It seemed DJ had become disillusioned by his experience having all his best work ripped off by european breeders who invited him over to partner with them . . . twice.
Most of the legendary rep for blueberry from the glory days went to those companies that lied to him and stole his gear then kicked him out.
DJ did a few collabs afterwards with Legends Seeds and Chimera, but mostly, he kept a low profile for a while until JD expressed an interest in the game.
JD's work seems to be hybrids of "Dad's" stuff with other people's cuts.
I got the same negative impression from JD.
Don't know him so can't say what the real story is, but the kid should let someone else run his social media cuz he talks about stuff he has no idea about.
Once JD got his feet under him, DJ seems to be re-invigorated and returned to active breeding with a passion.
DJ has always been an active member of the community, even during this quiet period, and shares knowledge and his keeper genetics with anyone he meets. Seems you need to get face to face with him to experience that though, so if that's not you, then you look at the very high price of his seeds packs that for the last 10+ years have produced a high percentage of mutants and low potency plants.
I know one of DJ's friends/testers and he has been reporting that DJ's new gear (Newberry and Happy Pussy) are a return to the glory days of DJ's lines, maybe the best work ever.
He also has other lines under development that have potential to make his work a serious contender again in today's very competitive market.
If the OP got a pack of Newberry, I suspect he is going to be very glad he did. They sold out fast at all seedbanks, and IG pics starting to show up look great.
Again, Newberry and happy Pussy are all DJ, not his son's work, and by insider reports I've heard, those seeds hold the fire.
DJ's work has always been under the "Old World Genetics" brand.
It seemed DJ had become disillusioned by his experience having all his best work ripped off by european breeders who invited him over to partner with them . . . twice.
Most of the legendary rep for blueberry from the glory days went to those companies that lied to him and stole his gear then kicked him out.
DJ did a few collabs afterwards with Legends Seeds and Chimera, but mostly, he kept a low profile for a while until JD expressed an interest in the game.
JD's work seems to be hybrids of "Dad's" stuff with other people's cuts.
I got the same negative impression from JD.
Don't know him so can't say what the real story is, but the kid should let someone else run his social media cuz he talks about stuff he has no idea about.
Once JD got his feet under him, DJ seems to be re-invigorated and returned to active breeding with a passion.
DJ has always been an active member of the community, even during this quiet period, and shares knowledge and his keeper genetics with anyone he meets. Seems you need to get face to face with him to experience that though, so if that's not you, then you look at the very high price of his seeds packs that for the last 10+ years have produced a high percentage of mutants and low potency plants.
I know one of DJ's friends/testers and he has been reporting that DJ's new gear (Newberry and Happy Pussy) are a return to the glory days of DJ's lines, maybe the best work ever.
He also has other lines under development that have potential to make his work a serious contender again in today's very competitive market.
If the OP got a pack of Newberry, I suspect he is going to be very glad he did. They sold out fast at all seedbanks, and IG pics starting to show up look great.
Again, Newberry and happy Pussy are all DJ, not his son's work, and by insider reports I've heard, those seeds hold the fire.
You guys talks so much shit and then wonder why breeders treat these forums with the disregard that they do, its weird. Here's a suggestion for anyone who feels like they have something to say or an opinion about the work I do, pop on over to my Instagram account and make your comment there. I promise I will reply to each and every single one of you there. Don't be scared.
If you have a question, or *assumption* drag yourselves out of the trollitup dungeon and ask directly.
If you have a question, or *assumption* drag yourselves out of the trollitup dungeon and ask directly.
quiescent
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Greetings from the trollitup dungeon! Gonna do a little exercise here.
How does it feel to know that you'll never do anything as cool as your dad did 20-30 years ago and hasn't done since?
How does it feel to know your dad created a spot for you in the industry and you didn't "earn" it? Literally like adding another face on Mt. Rushmore but no one knows why the fuck you're up there yet.
How does it feel to know that whatever you respond with it won't alter my day at all? Stop reading the negative comments on forums and instagram and then slinging shit back, it's obviously not ideal.
jayblaze710
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IG is pretty much the worst place to try to have any sort of informed discussion. Everyone’s comments can be deleted by whoever made the original post. Posts can be deleted. There’s no real search functionality, so any discussion just gets lost eventually.
If you really want to respond to people, just do it here where everything is public, easy to find, and can’t be deleted later.
Side note - this is why Gu loves PMs. That dudes PMed me so many times, and I’m pretty sure it’s because he doesn’t want a public record so he can’t be called out on shit.
what are you talking about royalties? I'm so tired of people like you talking shit cause that's all your good at. You're the biggest troll of them all dude. What number account are you on now, 7...8....? Tried to get things going? Dude....you're trolling on a thread about the work I've been doing with Dj and my Instagram account with 50k followers....I'd say I got that ball rolling just fine.
lol...this is your life...trolling on rollitup....
You're just scared to come into a forum where you and your little troll buddies don't have sausage parties together.
quiescent
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If you think I'm legit trolling you, read it again. I was proving a point, you failed the exercise.
Have a good one. Hopefully you're better at selecting plants than when to hit that submit/post reply button.